Chinese crackdown separates Pakistani husbands from Uighur wives

[Dungeness]

More of a disappointment.

A little more than that. In the age of social media, it only takes one carefully crafted message to turn love into hate, especially when religion is invoked.

 

[Trango Towers]

All the Muslims in China are third grade citizens. But due to brainwashed theory some Pakistanis here would do anything to cheerleader for China. @Janbaz Rao @snow lake @faithfulguy @Feng Leng and other Pakistan.

Every Indian is a global third rater so what's your point

 

[beijingwalker]

A little more than that. In the age of social media, it only takes one carefully crafted message to turn love into hate, especially when religion is invoked.

Religion is a thing that I really don't understand, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria.. a lot of regions around Xinjiang Muslims kill Muslims in thousands, but no one really seems to care, China only doesn't want those radical elements to infiltrate in Xinjiang from the neigboring regions and keep peace and order so people can have a safe, peaceful, prosperous life with their families and fulfill those goals in life thus we got a lot of bad press about that in spite of the fact that people in western China now live a much better , safe and comfortable life than any given time in the history. Xinjiang now is a peaceful ,beautiful land with unprecedentedly great prosperity, what's wrong for China's intention to keep it that way?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Pakistan should provide consular support, and if these women are not in any involved in any nefarious activities, they should be released as soon as possible.

Being friends with a country doesn't mean you let them treat your citizens like dirt. I don't want China's relationship with Pakistan to be like the Saudi one who treat our citizens like garbage unless they are there to protect their fat ugly behinds.

How do you know those Uyghir women are Pakistani citizens? and even if they are did we do the necessary BG checks for them and did they get their Chinese citizenship revoked before taking oath for Pakistani citizenship? because Chinese dont have dual nationality system like we do, so there can be red flags here for not following due processes as well as investigations going on for potential rogue linkages.

Furthermore Pakistan stopped issuing/renewing POCs for spouses since last year after sensitive intel .

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1355426/foreign-spouses-bind-poc-ban/

 

[Pakistani E]

How do you know those Uyghir women are Pakistani citizens? and even if they are did we do the necessary BG checks for them and did they get their Chinese citizenship revoked before taking oath for Pakistani citizenship? because Chinese dont have dual nationality system like we do, so there can be red flags here for not following due processes as well as investigations going on for potential rogue linkages.

Furthermore Pakistan stopped issuing/renewing POCs for spouses since last year after sensitive intel .

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1355426/foreign-spouses-bind-poc-ban/

That's besides the point, they are married to Pakistani Men. Hence in my eyes they have certain rights. I also said if they are NOT involved in any illegal activities they should be released. Offering consular support is justified as they are married to Pakistani citizens.

I don't believe I have said anything wrong, investigate them and if they are guilty provide evidence in courts. If they are not, release them. What's not to get?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

That's besides the point, they are married to Pakistani Men. Hence in my eyes they have certain rights. I also said if they are NOT involved in any illegal activities they should be released. Offering consular support is justified as they are married to Pakistani citizens.

I don't believe I have said anything wrong, investigate them and if they are guilty provide evidence in courts. If they are not, release them. What's not to get?

People who usually keep two nationalities when they are not allowed to are either a) involved in financial corruption b) directly or indirectly secessionist 3) just simply sneaky to save time/money).

And then there is other things to it, did they illegally leave the country without getting their passport stamped?

Anyways im sure both states will sort it out but in the meanwhile detractors will do the damage and sow hate among people.

 

[mike2000 is back]

A)They are women n citizen of Pak by marriage.

Well, nobody denied that they are citizens of Pakistan by marriage. However, they live in China and are bound by Chinese laws. You know that China doesnt tolerate anyone meddling in their internal affairs. Reason your government has never even raised such an issue with the Chinese, they know their place.

B)If they are terrorists, why havent they been charged?

Again, they are bound by Chinese laws not pakistanis one. In China if the government believes you are a danger to national security you can be detained without necessarily being charged for as long as necesaary. Nothing wrong in that, their country their rules.

C)Illegal detention is a crime!

Whatever, but it doesn't solve the issue at hand. Plus, sometimes it's necesaary

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Well, nobody denied that they are citizens of Pakistan by marriage. However, they live in China and are bound by Chinese laws. You know that China doesnt tolerate anyone meddling in their internal affairs. Reason your government has never even raised such an issue with the Chinese, they know their place.


Again, they are bound by Chinese laws not pakistanis one. In China if the government believes you are a danger to national security you can be detained without necessarily being charged for as long as necesaary. Nothing wrong in that, their country their rules.


Whatever, but it doesn't solve the issue at hand. Plus, sometimes it's necesaary

Just cause you are biased ad harbour hatred doesn’t make violation of basic human rights legal.

 

[El Sidd]

Umm - that's the Stone of Scone.

how very humble to be crowned sitting on a stone.

 

[Cybernetics]

Yes I would do. Better then with a 'tardo like you. Ever heard of Noam Chomsky?

Don't. Suck on the Palestinians while they suck on the Indians.

Why not learn a few lessons from the Chinese. They know some Jews are bad but some are good. It's the Zionists who are a problem although China has no qualms about dealing with them.

@Cybernetics Whether China likes it or not but as CPEC matures and the Sino-Pak relationship consolidates beyond the hugs and talk to real multifaceted socio-economic relation you will see more of these incidents. You probably are aware but are too diplomatic but the reality is thus far Chinese dealings have mostly been restricted to official 2 official. The China/Pak "ironclad" has been played out in the sterile offices of the state between impeccably mannered officers aware of the geo-strategic realities. Most of the perception of China amongst common Pakistani have is from the reports the official media gives with set photo shoots of officials from both countries lauding each other.

However I think your a smart guy and know that the reality is 60% of Pakistani population would qualify for being arrested in China and sent to red-education schools. Indeed by Chinese standards many nuttes even on PDF would meet the threshold to be carted off to the madhouse for treatment. This is a reality and no amount of doublespeak is going to gloss over. As we move forward this sort of mentality is going often collide with the mentality cultivated by CCP in China for the last 80 years. THe people 2 people engagement will expose this problem more. Expect to see more interesting incidents.

The biggest gift China is going to bestow on Pakistan is not the tarmac, steel, concrete but the intangible change in thinking. Much like how Japan was forced to open, introspect during the Meiji era after it was rudely exposed to the outside world similiar thing is about to happen in Pakistan. And it's not going to be pretty but out of this will be wrought a new Pakistan where you don't need three soldiers standing around each Chinese as a weird expression of "love".

The truth is problem is inside Pakistan. Blaming it on "outside agencies" is the trait of weak people. Or those who can't acept the reality. After all where are these "outside agencies" in China, UK, USA, South Korea, UAE, etc etc.

You have never ran across the word "sarcasm".

I personally have not yet met the "60% of Pakistani population would qualify for being arrested in China and sent to red-education schools" population you are referring to but I will give value to your opinion. My Pakistani friends are quite "normal", my normal might be different from the average though. You know about the situation in your community better than I do.

Good points you have made about the value of interaction in the framework of CPEC, I think reality will play out similar to what you expect. We can only wait to see.

I doubt Uyghur women married to Gilgati-Balti men are involved in "terrorism". It appears to me China is simply hunting and punishing Uyghurs irrespective of their involvement in few stabbing incidents which they label terrorism; "re-education" of Uyghurs is going on ;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...yghur-xinjiang-confiscate-islam-a7973191.html

The same China was advertising a photo of marriage between a Chinese man (a non-Muslim Han) and Pakistani woman but has urinated on Uyghur-Pakistani couples with usual inhumane approach.

Like i said, i dont detest Jews, i detest and fear those who are no longer identifiable as humans , watch this video again ;

Thanks for the racist rant my friend, you have enlightened me with your humanity. Your views don't particularly surprise me. Yes, Chinese are not humans but you are the champion of humanity (is this a Jihad threat?). Can I apply a similar logic to Pakistan? I won't because I understand there are many differing dynamics at play. My advice to you, best avoid travelling to China to avoid unnecessary dehumanising and build your utopia at home starting with the man in the mirror.