Chinese ASAT vs US ASAT

[Oldman1]

The Low Earth Orbit satellites, but not the Geostationary satellite.

If we can get rockets up there, its no different. Using the same source you posted.

Monday's rocket launch was similar to launches using the Blue Scout Junior rocket that were conducted by the U.S. Air Force in the 1960s for research on Earth's magnetosphere, McDowell said in an emailed response to questions.

He said all the previous suborbital launches above 10,000 km (6,250 miles) had been conducted by the United States. All China's previous missile tests went to less than 2,000 km (1,250 miles), although Beijing had launched orbital vehicles higher, including to the Moon, he said.

Most scientific suborbital launches are at most 1,500 km (940 miles) or so, McDowell added. The 1976 launch was Gravity Probe A, when NASA and McDowell's institute worked together to launch an atomic clock to 10,280 km (6,425 miles).

Since you guys reached the moon and we reached Mars. Your satellites are still in danger.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If we can get rockets up there, its no different. Using the same source you posted.

Monday's rocket launch was similar to launches using the Blue Scout Junior rocket that were conducted by the U.S. Air Force in the 1960s for research on Earth's magnetosphere, McDowell said in an emailed response to questions.

He said all the previous suborbital launches above 10,000 km (6,250 miles) had been conducted by the United States. All China's previous missile tests went to less than 2,000 km (1,250 miles), although Beijing had launched orbital vehicles higher, including to the Moon, he said.

Most scientific suborbital launches are at most 1,500 km (940 miles) or so, McDowell added. The 1976 launch was Gravity Probe A, when NASA and McDowell's institute worked together to launch an atomic clock to 10,280 km (6,425 miles).

Since you guys reached the moon and we reached Mars. Your satellites are still in danger.

Because all our previous tests were against the midcourse phase of an ICBM which is typically located in an altitude between 1000 to 2000 km.

 

[Oldman1]

Because all our previous tests were against the midcourse phase of an ICBM which is typically located in an altitude between 1000 to 2000 km.

So now you are saying its against ICBMs. Now I'm hearing it all. I have yet to hear any Chinese tests against ICBMs or warheads. Only satellites.

 

[gambit]

They can't because the US has never conducted an ASAT test outside of LEO.

That means the US can't do it.

Isn't this the same excuse they use for the DF-21D?

If it hasn't been demonstrated, it doesn't work.

Amazing...This kind of 'logic' is the reason why the Chinese members continues to be the laughing stock of this forum.

Let us see...

Since China have not built something like the Space Shuttle, that means China CANNOT do it. Since China have not built an aircraft carrier, that mean China CANNOT do it.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So now you are saying its against ICBMs. Now I'm hearing it all. I have yet to hear any Chinese tests against ICBMs or warheads. Only satellites.

The ASAT test in May 2013 was agains the GEO satellites, it was in fact 36000 km, but only the US media kept insisting it was only 10000 km.

Our earlier tests were all anti-ICBM. China did twice this year, one in January 2013 which was reported by the media, another one in April 2013 which was not reported.

 

[jhungary]

so literally, you are saying, in the end the Chinese ASAT are going to use to shoot down their own satellite? Because US Africa command is using Chinese Satellite to piggyback some traffic, tell me when you turn your own weapon to your own asset it will be a day of LOL.

Seriously

Downing satellite is useless in any kind of warfare because of 2 simple point.

1.) If Chinese Destroy our satellite we will destroy their, then there will not be any satellite left FOR EVERYBODY. Chinese start their space warfare in the 2000s, we started in 1980s. You can never underestimate what kind of stuff we invented under the cover of SDI.

2.) It's always a matter of race between how many satellite you can shoot down and how many more we can launch. Do you know how many satellite are currently orbiting in the earth orbit? And do you know we only need 5 to cover global communication? Satellite itself have shelve life, you don't really need to shoot them down and they will just degrade in progress. Hence making the whole anti-satellite weaponry a joke.

It's not like we don't want to improve our tool, but it's pointless, we tested it and we can do that, moving on.

If Chinese want to keep dumping money to something like that is their problem, they got money to burn, it's your money, your rule. For us, we will just sitting in our lounge and hack your satellite, that way is WAY WAY WAY more effective than trying to shoot satellite down one by one.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

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If Chinese want to keep dumping money to something like that is their problem, they got money to burn, it's your money, your rule. For us, we will just sitting in our lounge and hack your satellite, that way is WAY WAY WAY more effective than trying to shoot satellite down one by one.

Chinese Asymetrical warfare is not money dumpin, we all know US relied on the space for its battles on earth, so acquire ASAT capability is among one of many options, hacking is surely on the table too, what ever American can think of, I guess Chineses will also be able to figure out.

 

[gambit]

Chinese start their space warfare in the 2000s, we started in 1980s. You can never underestimate what kind of stuff we invented under the cover of SDI.

SDI is before their time. Most likely these guys were just gleams in their fathers' eyes back then. I learned after I separated that a lot of programs derived from SDI immediately went 'black', then showed up in the current Patriot and Standard missiles today. The problem with the Chinese members here is that they seems to think that technology began when they were borned.

 

[Snowden]

This is one area we are definitely ahead of the Americans. No doubt about it. Yes, the US got a head start but we have surpassed them.

 

[gambit]

This is one area we are definitely ahead of the Americans. No doubt about it. Yes, the US got a head start but we have surpassed them.

You sure about that...???

U.S. favors stealthy anti-satellite strategy - Technology & science - Space | NBC News

NBC News
updated 4/11/2007 9:29:19 PM ET

Two months ago, China fired a medium-range missile into space to destroy one of its own weather satellites in low Earth orbit, attracting the attention of many in the strategic community.

For some, the Jan. 11 test revealed China’s increasing military capabilities and an emerging threat to U.S. dominance in military space. For others, the test proved the need for a U.S. anti-satellite capability. The conventional wisdom was that the United States needed to create such a system to deter the Chinese from doing anything rash in an international crisis — in effect, bringing mutually assured destruction to military space operations.

The reality is different from the conventional wisdom, according to knowledgeable space experts and former intelligence officials. They say the United States already has an anti-satellite capability — just not the kind that China displayed in January.

Rather than a kinetic approach, say officials and experts, the United States has adopted a method that relies on spy satellites’ most vulnerable aspect: the need for constant housekeeping from the ground.

To maintain satellite orbits, particularly low Earth orbits, controllers on the ground must send their satellites a constant barrage of signals from ground stations around the world. For example, the United States maintains the Satellite Control Network, a string of eight tracking stations in places as remote as Thule Air Base on Greenland, and Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

By interfering with those signals — called telemetry, tracking and control signals — the United States can put satellites out of commission for critical periods of time or send them spiraling out of control. Intelligence experts call the strategy “electronic negation” or “intrusion.”

"The best ASAT [anti-satellite device] is not a weapon that detonates next to an enemy satellite," said William E. Burrows, a journalism professor at New York University who is also the author of "Deep Black," a book on spy satellites. "Instead, it would be a signal that would tell the satellite to take the rest of the afternoon off."

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But the idea of creating a “electronic negation” or “intrusion” capability never waned. And the United States had all the means necessary to carry it out. The U.S. military had its own electronic intercept satellites as well as worldwide network of ground stations.

We can blind the PLA before any first shot by any side.

 

[jhungary]

SDI is before their time. Most likely these guys were just gleams in their fathers' eyes back then. I learned after I separated that a lot of programs derived from SDI immediately went 'black', then showed up in the current Patriot and Standard missiles today. The problem with the Chinese members here is that they seems to think that technology began when they were borned.

SDI in itself is some secret shiite, even I don't know much about and I have TS Clearance

And yes, even tho SDI is no more, but many of its tech were still in use today.

 

[jhungary]

Chinese Asymetrical warfare is not money dumpin, we all know US relied on the space for its battles on earth, so acquire ASAT capability is among one of many options, hacking is surely on the table too, what ever American can think of, I guess Chineses will also be able to figure out.

lol, but it's impractical to just shoot down "Some" of the satellite......

As I said, you only need 5 satellite to complete a "Bounce" from Non-LOS signal. Unless China can perform a strike package and destroy all the satellite in the world, the satellite network will be undisputed. According to NASA, there are currently around 3000 satellite in earth orbit, and we are adding them by days, you only need 5 to cover all 5 different blind spot of earth, that mean you have to shoot down 2994 satellite in one single strike to be able to disrupt the satellite service.

How Many Satellites Are Orbiting the Earth? (with picture)

In a Nuclear war scenario. The US can perform a total Strike package and destroy up to 88% of a single enemy defence. Nobody in this world can perform a strike that eliminate more than that amount. And to have an ASAT effective, you need a 99.83% eradication rate, which is a near perfect no miss strike. Anyone who served any form of military will tell you you must be dreaming......

It is a waste of time because you put money in, and it does NOTHING. What it does is, you probably can kill 10 or maybe hundred of satellite, still 2900 to go, you probably may make some MLB fans annoyed by destroying their major league satellite and have them miss a live game, but that all it would do. As long as we realise this, we stop researching for ASAT weaponry. You can keep on spending your money of course, it's yours

This is the same as saying, you are R&Ding a bullet that shoot down other bullet. Yeah it make sense when you talking about small number, like 1 on 1 or 10 on 10, but when you realise the world have more than 4 trillions rounds of bullet ready to fire, you will see why this invention is a waste of money.

 

[j20blackdragon]

There are approximately 31 or so GPS satellites currently in Medium Earth Orbit.

Here is an incomplete list of American weapons that rely on GPS for guidance.

Tomahawk (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AGM-86C Conventional Air Launched Cruise Missile [CALCM] - United States Nuclear Forces

AGM-158 JASSM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Small Diameter Bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Joint Direct Attack Munition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Think about it.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Laser ASAT.

This article is from 2006.

Think about it.

China jamming test sparks U.S. satellite concerns - USATODAY.com

China jamming test sparks U.S. satellite concerns

Posted 10/5/2006 12:57 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) — China has beamed a ground-based laser at U.S. spy satellites over its territory, a U.S. agency said, in an action that exposed the potential vulnerability of space systems that provide crucial data to American troops and consumers around the world.

The Defense Department remains tight-lipped about details, including which satellite was involved or when it occurred.

The Pentagon's National Reconnaissance Office Director Donald Kerr last week acknowledged the incident, first reported by Defense News, but said it did not materially damage the U.S. satellite's ability to collect information.

"It makes us think," Kerr told reporters.

 

[Snowden]

You sure about that...???

/technology_and_science-space/t/us-favors-stealthy-anti-satellite-strategy/#.Ufdy4aC83Z8]U.S. favors stealthy anti-satellite strategy - Technology & science - Space | NBC Ne

We can blind the PLA before any first shot by any side.

If the US has this technology, you can bet that the PLA has it too. China has a full range of methods to take out US satellites. Shooting down satellites is just one of our methods.

The US has not proven it is ahead of China in ASAT.