Featured Chinese arrive in Argentina to negotiate sale of 12 JF-17 fighters

[Nasr]

brit ejection seats on the JF-17 Thunders are exclusively for Pakistan Air Force. Myanmar Air Force uses Chinese ejection seat HTY-5D. It would also be used for Argentine Air Force's JF-17 Thunders.

 

[Song Hong]

It is on the wall.

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Argentina has allocated funding to procure the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC)/ Pakistan Aeronautical Complex FC-1/JF-17 in the country's latest effort to recapitalise its fighter aircraft capabilities.

Announced on 15 September, the draft budget for fiscal year (FY) 2022 includes USD664 million towards the purchase of 12 JF-17 Thunder Block III jets (including USD20 million for infrastructure).

This development marks the latest step in Argentina's attempts to buy a new combat type that go back several years. Having retired its Dassault Mirage IIIEA and Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) Dagger fleets, and with the Lockheed Martin A-4AR Fightinghawks suffering availability issues, the Argentine Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Argentina – FAA) has scoured the globe for a replacement aircraft type.

Potential solutions that have been reported included surplus Spanish Mirage F1s and Tranche 1 Eurofighter Typhoons, IAI Kfirs, Saab Gripens, Leonardo M-346FA/FTs, Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50s, CAC J-10s, and Aero L-159s. Even the Sukhoi Su-24 ‘Fencer' was touted (although this is widely believed to have been a hoax). The JF-17 has previously been reported as an option, with Argentina and China going so far as to form a working group in 2013 to work through the details of introducing both the JF-17 and J-10 into the FAA.

Argentina allocates JF-17 funding in latest fighter recapitalisation twist

Argentina has allocated funding to procure the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC)/ Pakistan Aeronautical Complex FC-1/JF-17 in the country's latest effort to...

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[Beast]

It is on the wall.

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Argentina has allocated funding to procure the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC)/ Pakistan Aeronautical Complex FC-1/JF-17 in the country's latest effort to recapitalise its fighter aircraft capabilities.

Announced on 15 September, the draft budget for fiscal year (FY) 2022 includes USD664 million towards the purchase of 12 JF-17 Thunder Block III jets (including USD20 million for infrastructure).

This development marks the latest step in Argentina's attempts to buy a new combat type that go back several years. Having retired its Dassault Mirage IIIEA and Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) Dagger fleets, and with the Lockheed Martin A-4AR Fightinghawks suffering availability issues, the Argentine Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Argentina – FAA) has scoured the globe for a replacement aircraft type.

Potential solutions that have been reported included surplus Spanish Mirage F1s and Tranche 1 Eurofighter Typhoons, IAI Kfirs, Saab Gripens, Leonardo M-346FA/FTs, Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50s, CAC J-10s, and Aero L-159s. Even the Sukhoi Su-24 ‘Fencer' was touted (although this is widely believed to have been a hoax). The JF-17 has previously been reported as an option, with Argentina and China going so far as to form a working group in 2013 to work through the details of introducing both the JF-17 and J-10 into the FAA.

Argentina allocates JF-17 funding in latest fighter recapitalisation twist

Argentina has allocated funding to procure the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC)/ Pakistan Aeronautical Complex FC-1/JF-17 in the country's latest effort to...

www.janes.com

China play hardball too, refuse to back down on price. They know Argentina is desperate. Russia will not accept barter trade and only China can offer the plane they want plus accepting products as payment.

 

[Song Hong]

Wikipedia updated Argentina will buy JF17 block 3. That means it will have AESA and DSI.

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In May 2021, it was reported that a Chinese delegation arrived in Argentina to negotiate for the sale of 12 JF-17s Block 3 to the Argentine Air Force.

In September 2021, the Argentinian government allocated US$664 million to buy 12 JF-17A Block III in a draft budget for 2022.

CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[zectech]

Does this include a ECM pod.?.

China could have some spare Russian Khibiny ECM pods around and reverse engineer them and make them for these block 3 JF-17s.

ECM pods are standard in most new aircraft. However are a trade secret and I would expect China not to export their best ECM systems for aircraft. Too dangerous.

ECM pods can drastically increase survive-ability of aircraft.

 

[Beast]

Does this include a ECM pod.?.

China could have some spare Russian Khibiny ECM pods around and reverse engineer them and make them for these block 3 JF-17s.

ECM pods are standard in most new aircraft. However are a trade secret and I would expect China not to export their best ECM systems for aircraft. Too dangerous.

ECM pods can drastically increase survive-ability of aircraft.

I think ECM pod will not be included but AESA are known to less prone to interference and jamming.

 

[zectech]

I think ECM pod will not be included but AESA are known to less prone to interference and jamming.

Yes, according to wikipedia, Spain makes the pods for the JF-17 block 2. China outsourced this to the eu for Pakistani aircraft. Indra out of spain, IIRC. It is likely that those pods have uk parts, so uk would veto the export of the standard pods to Argentina. Which is why I suggested Argentina get Russian second hand. I would pay 1 million euros for a new pod. Many of the ECM pods are capabilities of making it hard for the enemy to target your aircraft. This is where 4th gen fighters have relevance in a 5th gen fighter generation with EW. Quality pods can make these 35 million dollar aircraft into worth 60-70 million dollar aircraft. Because they can survive against the top aircraft with the best EW suite.

SU-57s have pods for domestic use that according to some reports make heat seeking missiles miss hitting the SU-57s. So these are important to modern fighters. Russians are very hesitant to export quality items that Russia uses herself. Nearly everything Russia exports is inferior to quality items used by Russia, this has been the policy since the fall of the Soviet Union. JF-17 is not like this. I expect the export JF-17 is the same as Pakistan has, which is top quality. Except lacking EW capabilities that Pakistan has for their JF-17s.

Although Argentina would be fighting against the meteor... and that AAM is supposed to be limitedly EW proof.

JF-17 is better is every other respect to Mig-35. And is a better deal. I am looking out for the safety of Argentina interests and the bragging rights of China and the Islamic world with a fully successful JF-17, if uk bullies Argentina.

SU-35s are over-priced for export, yet valuable for only Russia because of top standard EW and other areas that are for Russia only. Export Russian equipment is vastly inferior to the same standard version of the equipment used by Russia. Mig-35s would be less useless for Argentina. They are an upgrade of the obsolete Mig-29s, without ASEA and their exports would be sub-standard. Russia would need to make a full version of a product and not buy any and only export that full version. Something like the JF-17 to earn respect for Russian arms.

When you are buying the JF-17s, you are buying the full version, carefully designed aircraft that is made to prevent a war. Russians export for money making. JF-17s are not about making money. They are made to fight Indian aircraft.

 

[Beast]

Yup there is a program to make FA 50 can launch AMRAM but the program hasnt been completed

Until now, you still want to talk about FA50 for Argentina? It can even have Alien radar or super laser install but it can never be sold to Argentina.

JF-17 is the only choice.