Chinese aircraft carrier has major weaknesses: China Youth Daily

[IND151]

By sending its first aircraft carrier to the South China Sea, Beijing aims at more effective control over disputed islands in the region, but the vessel has five major weaknesses that make it unable to match up against US carriers, according to a Nov. 6 report in a Chinese state-run newspaper.

The China Youth Daily said that training in the South China Sea, where the Liaoning aircraft carrier headed for the first time Nov. 26, will allow it and other vessels to get more familiar with the maritime environment that is expected to become their main area of operation, but it will be some time before the Liaoning is combat-ready due to five major weaknesses, the official newspaper of the Communist Youth League of China said, listing them in order.

First, the Liaoning relies on Russian technology that limits the ship's range and usefulness in open sea; Secondly, the carrier cannot match the capabilities of US aircraft carriers, which can launch unmanned fighters with a range of up to 200 nautical miles; The electronics and weapons systems of the Liaoning and its J-15 fighter jets are far inferior to American carriers and their F/A-18 E/F Super Hornets, and the US carriers also boast E-2 Hawkeye early warning aircraft with a flying altitude and range that outclasses the Liaoning's Kamov KA-31 helicopter; Lastly, the paper said that China does not yet have a large-size battle group centered around the Liaoning, and the ability of its warships to take part in coordinated fighting is not yet mature.

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[Scorpion666]

noooo...... ohh my god ..nooo

 

[Akasa]

This is another example why people should never rely on Chinese civilian news sites on military matters.

1. First off, let's agree that the Chinese carrier does not compare against US supercarriers.

2. Secondly, the Liaoning DOES NOT use Russian technology; the carrier was stripped empty when it was first delivered.

3. They tried to base their "J-15" argument on a recent article that interviews a PLA Navy Admiral. In that interview, the Admiral DID NOT say that the J-15 was "far inferior" to the Super Hornet, but that the J-15's air combat capability was better than that of the Super Hornet but its not its A2G ability.

4. The Liaoning uses active phased array radars and a whole new generation of sensors; by comparison the Nimitz carriers only use passive radars

5. China has a carrier based AWAC in testing; http://a141.idata.over-blog.com/3/69/59/49/Set_12_03aou2012/JZY_01.jpg

6. The configuration of the Sharp Sword landing gear suggests that the aircraft was meant for carriers

 

[xuxu1457]

I find the initial paper of the news:

　　但我们必须清醒认识到，无论从航母数量上，还是航母综合作战能力上，中国与美国都还有很大差距。专家们 普遍认为，从世界范围看，美国航母的实力最强，俄罗斯、英国次之。现在辽宁舰的实力和俄罗斯、英国的航母差 不多，属于第二梯队。从辽宁舰目前的“两驱两护”编队来看，它还存在不少弱点。

　　第一，辽宁舰的核心装备采用了俄罗斯的技术，存在着续航能力不足，远洋作战能力有限的问题 。

　　第二，美国航母现已配备能飞行200海里～300海里的无人作战飞机，辽宁舰目前还达不到 这个水平。

　　第三，从舰载装备性能上看，辽宁舰上的战斗机在电子系统和武器装备等方面还逊色于美国的F/A-18E/F“超级大黄蜂”舰载机。歼-15可进行滑跃起飞，一般只适用于中、近距离制空格斗，无法在空中保持有效滞空时间;而美国航母舰载机是用 C-13蒸汽弹射器进行弹射的，可以重载起飞。歼-15 一般只能携带两枚YJ-83 反舰导弹遂行近距离反舰任务，而F-18可以携带4枚远程“鱼叉”反舰导弹。

　　第四，美军航母拥有强大的预警侦察能力，其E-2“鹰眼”预警机无论在侦察高度、侦察距离上，都胜过辽宁舰目前装备的卡-31直升机预警机。

　　第五，航母通常需要形成大型战斗群才有强大的作战能力。大型航母战斗群中应当配备各种类型的舰艇，且各 舰艇之间能够有机协同。中国的航母编队目前还做不到这一点。
Trans:
But we must clearly recognize that , in terms of number of aircraft , or the aircraft comprehensive combat capability , there is a big gap between China and the United States . Experts generally believe that from a global perspective, the U.S. aircraft carrier strongest, Russia and United Kingdom followed. Now Liaoning ship and Russia, the UK carrier almost belong to the second echelon. Liaoning ship from the current " two -drive two guard " formation of view, there are many weaknesses in it .

First, Liaoning ship 's core equipment using Russian technology , means not nuke power, there is a lack of endurance , limited offshore combat capability issues.

Second, the U.S. aircraft carrier has been able to fly with 200 miles to 300 miles unmanned combat aircraft, Liaoning ship yet reached this level.

Third, without catapult, from the shipboard equipment performance point of view, Liaoning ship 's fighter in electronic systems and weaponry is also inferior to the American F/A-18E/F " Super Hornet" aircraft carrier . J-15 can slide flying leaps , generally apply only in close range of the air combat, unable to maintain effective hang time in the air ; while U.S. carrier aircraft with C-13 steam catapult be ejected , you can reload off. J-15 is generally only carry two YJ-83 anti-ship missiles at close range anti-ship carry out the task , and F-18 can carry four remote "Harpoon" anti-ship missiles.

Fourth, the U.S. aircraft carrier has a strong early warning and reconnaissance capabilities, its E-2 " Hawkeye " AWACS reconnaissance both in height , distance reconnaissance , Liaoning ship are better than the current card -31 helicopters equipped AWACS .

Fifth, a large aircraft carrier battle groups have often needed to form a strong combat capability. Large aircraft carrier battle groups should be equipped with various types of vessels, capable of synergy between organic and each ship . China 's aircraft carrier battle groups currently can not do this .

SO:1. not nuke power 2. no unmanned combat aircraft now as X-47 3.without catapults 4.without E-2 type Hawkeye 5.battle group can't match US navy(except US, others all have the 5 weaknesses)

 

[IND151]

I find the initial paper of the news:

　　但我们必须清醒认识到，无论从航母数量上，还是航母综合作战能力上，中国与美国都还有很大差距。专家们 普遍认为，从世界范围看，美国航母的实力最强，俄罗斯、英国次之。现在辽宁舰的实力和俄罗斯、英国的航母差 不多，属于第二梯队。从辽宁舰目前的“两驱两护”编队来看，它还存在不少弱点。

　　第一，辽宁舰的核心装备采用了俄罗斯的技术，存在着续航能力不足，远洋作战能力有限的问题 。

　　第二，美国航母现已配备能飞行200海里～300海里的无人作战飞机，辽宁舰目前还达不到 这个水平。

　　第三，从舰载装备性能上看，辽宁舰上的战斗机在电子系统和武器装备等方面还逊色于美国的F/A-18E/F“超级大黄蜂”舰载机。歼-15可进行滑跃起飞，一般只适用于中、近距离制空格斗，无法在空中保持有效滞空时间;而美国航母舰载机是用 C-13蒸汽弹射器进行弹射的，可以重载起飞。歼-15 一般只能携带两枚YJ-83 反舰导弹遂行近距离反舰任务，而F-18可以携带4枚远程“鱼叉”反舰导弹。

　　第四，美军航母拥有强大的预警侦察能力，其E-2“鹰眼”预警机无论在侦察高度、侦察距离上，都胜过辽宁舰目前装备的卡-31直升机预警机。

　　第五，航母通常需要形成大型战斗群才有强大的作战能力。大型航母战斗群中应当配备各种类型的舰艇，且各 舰艇之间能够有机协同。中国的航母编队目前还做不到这一点。
Trans:
But we must clearly recognize that , in terms of number of aircraft , or the aircraft comprehensive combat capability , there is a big gap between China and the United States . Experts generally believe that from a global perspective, the U.S. aircraft carrier strongest, Russia and United Kingdom followed. Now Liaoning ship and Russia, the UK carrier almost belong to the second echelon. Liaoning ship from the current " two -drive two guard " formation of view, there are many weaknesses in it .

First, Liaoning ship 's core equipment using Russian technology , means not nuke power, there is a lack of endurance , limited offshore combat capability issues.

Second, the U.S. aircraft carrier has been able to fly with 200 miles to 300 miles unmanned combat aircraft, Liaoning ship yet reached this level.

Third, without catapult, from the shipboard equipment performance point of view, Liaoning ship 's fighter in electronic systems and weaponry is also inferior to the American F/A-18E/F " Super Hornet" aircraft carrier . J-15 can slide flying leaps , generally apply only in close range of the air combat, unable to maintain effective hang time in the air ; while U.S. carrier aircraft with C-13 steam catapult be ejected , you can reload off. J-15 is generally only carry two YJ-83 anti-ship missiles at close range anti-ship carry out the task , and F-18 can carry four remote "Harpoon" anti-ship missiles.

Fourth, the U.S. aircraft carrier has a strong early warning and reconnaissance capabilities, its E-2 " Hawkeye " AWACS reconnaissance both in height , distance reconnaissance , Liaoning ship are better than the current card -31 helicopters equipped AWACS .

Fifth, a large aircraft carrier battle groups have often needed to form a strong combat capability. Large aircraft carrier battle groups should be equipped with various types of vessels, capable of synergy between organic and each ship . China 's aircraft carrier battle groups currently can not do this .

SO:1. not nuke power 2. no unmanned combat aircraft now as X-47 3.without catapults 4.without E-2 type Hawkeye 5.battle group can't match US navy(except US, others all have the 5 weaknesses)

That's what article is saying.

 

[UKBengali]

Everyone knows that the Varyag is not match for US super-carriers, so what is new and why is this even newsworthy?

 

[Enemy]

Liaoning serves many purposes.

It may be inferior to US carriers but it will still be in the front line formation. If USA sinks it, the act will by default legitimize China's sinking of US carriers.

There must be reasons if someone says "attack me"

 

[lcloo]

I am surprise that many people mis-interpreted the current status and mission of CV Liaoning, even the from the CPC Youth newspaper. CV Liaoning was designed by CCCP as an aviation cruiser instead of a long endurance aircraft carrier. However Lioning only inherited the empty hull and thus can avoid the short coming of short endurance if Dalian shipyard had redesigned the interior struture that include fuel storage. fact is we do not know what they had done inside the ship. So the true endurance is unknown.

Take the recent deployment of PLAN to South America, from North China sailing south to Chile, then up north to Brazil, and return from Argentina non-stop to North China, I will say PLAN has indeed proved that they can sail long endurance with-out problem. Key matter is the underway replenishment is now mature for PLAN. Also remember the first deployment to Somalia where they sail for 3 months with-out stopping at any port for re-supply and rest, which is a great accomplishment.

CV Lioning equiped with core yechnology from Russia? That is BS. It was built with Soviet, and to be exact Ukraine technology and just for the empty hull, no propulsion no electrnonic, just welded steel plates.

Ability to deploy UCAV? We will have to wait for the first commisioned UCAV come online first. It is not a weakness of CV Liaoning, it is the late development of UCAV compared ith USA, it has to do with AVIC not the ac.

J-15 without catapult vs F-18 is comparing apple with orange. CV Liaoning is not commisioned for combat duty, it is doing training and experimenting with CV operation protocals and whatever related to that. The first PLAN aircraft carrier commssion for combat duty will be larger and better design ractifying short-coming of Soviet design ship, it will have catapult and different internal structure that would include larger hangar and fuel endurance etc. Thus later production batch J-15 using catapulp launch will have max payload and endurance.

Shipborned AWAC? Yes It will be there when first combat commissioned CV is launched probably in 2015.

And is US aircraft carrier combat group is the most powerful and nobody denied that. PLAN is taking the US aircraft carrier operation mode and incorporating into theirs to ensure max efficiency. Following Russian and the British mode is not wise. So which mode is INS Vikramaditya employing? And dont forget this is also an ex-Soviet designed cruiser and I wonder what weakness not disclosed with endurance and core Russian technology etc etc?

 

[Superboy]

J-15 has a more advanced cockpit compared to F/A-18E and features a wide angle holographic HUD.

Liaoning is used for enforcing the China seas, for that it has plenty of range. Also contributes to CO2 buildup. Liaoning has Type 1130 CIWS guns and FL-3000N CIWS missiles. American aircraft carriers only have Phalanx 6 barrel 20 mm CIWS guns, much weaker than Liaoning's CIWS. Liaoning has phased array radars from Type 052C. American aircraft carriers lack phased array radars.

Liaoning are accompanied by Type 052D destroyers, which are more advanced than American destroyers and cruisers.

J-15 cockpit

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am surprise that many people mis-interpreted the current status and mission of CV Liaoning, even the from the CPC Youth newspaper. CV Liaoning was designed by CCCP as an aviation cruiser instead of a long endurance aircraft carrier. However Lioning only inherited the empty hull and thus can avoid the short coming of short endurance if Dalian shipyard had redesigned the interior struture that include fuel storage. fact is we do not know what they had done inside the ship. So the true endurance is unknown.

Take the recent deployment of PLAN to South America, from North China sailing south to Chile, then up north to Brazil, and return from Argentina non-stop to North China, I will say PLAN has indeed proved that they can sail long endurance with-out problem. Key matter is the underway replenishment is now mature for PLAN. Also remember the first deployment to Somalia where they sail for 3 months with-out stopping at any port for re-supply and rest, which is a great accomplishment.

CV Lioning equiped with core yechnology from Russia? That is BS. It was built with Soviet, and to be exact Ukraine technology and just for the empty hull, no propulsion no electrnonic, just welded steel plates.

Ability to deploy UCAV? We will have to wait for the first commisioned UCAV come online first. It is not a weakness of CV Liaoning, it is the late development of UCAV compared ith USA, it has to do with AVIC not the ac.

J-15 without catapult vs F-18 is comparing apple with orange. CV Liaoning is not commisioned for combat duty, it is doing training and experimenting with CV operation protocals and whatever related to that. The first PLAN aircraft carrier commssion for combat duty will be larger and better design ractifying short-coming of Soviet design ship, it will have catapult and different internal structure that would include larger hangar and fuel endurance etc. Thus later production batch J-15 using catapulp launch will have max payload and endurance.

Shipborned AWAC? Yes It will be there when first combat commissioned CV is launched probably in 2015.

And is US aircraft carrier combat group is the most powerful and nobody denied that. PLAN is taking the US aircraft carrier operation mode and incorporating into theirs to ensure max efficiency. Following Russian and the British mode is not wise. So which mode is INS Vikramaditya employing? And dont forget this is also an ex-Soviet designed cruiser and I wonder what weakness not disclosed with endurance and core Russian technology etc etc?

CPC's youth newspaper has been hijacked by the pro-West libtards who wrote the worthless gibberish like this.

That's why Xi Jinping is not happy with these retards and wants to fire their ***.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Give a break to this training ship sino journos,first u trash j-15-now this?Chinese media don't break the heart of so many fanboys,some of whom are dreaming about a 2nd battle of midway where liaoning sinks 4 us supercarriers with land support.All hail the mighty CCP.

 

[bolo]

CPC's youth newspaper has been hijacked by the pro-West libtards who wrote the worthless gibberish like this.

That's why Xi Jinping is not happy with these retards and wants to fire their ***.

What is he waiting for? Libtards and retards are the same.

Give a break to this training ship sino journos,first u trash j-15-now this?Chinese media don't break the heart of so many fanboys,some of whom are dreaming about a 2nd battle of midway where liaoning sinks 4 us supercarriers with land support.All hail the mighty CCP.

The "inferior" CPC make indian military nervous and scare. What does that tell you about indian military?

 

[Genesis]

Give a break to this training ship sino journos,first u trash j-15-now this?Chinese media don't break the heart of so many fanboys,some of whom are dreaming about a 2nd battle of midway where liaoning sinks 4 us supercarriers with land support.All hail the mighty CCP.

You misunderstand, name one person on here that said Liaoning is equal or even close to American super carriers, or even the French nuclear carrier or the British future carriers.

What some are claiming is that it's better than the Indian carrier of only 20,000 ton and 40,000 ton carriers which btw is smaller than a American transport ship, and the 20,000 ton one is smaller than a Chinese transport ship.

 

[Obambam]

You misunderstand, name one person on here that said Liaoning is equal or even close to American super carriers, or even the French nuclear carrier or the British future carriers.

What some are claiming is that it's better than the Indian carrier of only 20,000 ton and 40,000 ton carriers which btw is smaller than a American transport ship, and the 20,000 ton one is smaller than a Chinese transport ship.

The only carriers capable of matching those U.S. super carriers are India's.
India has access to the best Russian and Western technologies, and India have consistently spent more money acquiring the best of the best technologies as well as equipments installed on to those carriers for reasons right?

Chinese carrier, on the other hand, was an empty hull filled with Chinese junk, they even had to make their own cheap arrestors.

Comparing a cheap Chinese junk carrier with Super duper Indian carriers is a joke let alone with American super duper carriers.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

You misunderstand, name one person on here that said Liaoning is equal or even close to American super carriers, or even the French nuclear carrier or the British future carriers.

What some are claiming is that it's better than the Indian carrier of only 20,000 ton and 40,000 ton carriers which btw is smaller than a American transport ship, and the 20,000 ton one is smaller than a Chinese transport ship.

Superboy thinks so.And i didn't say anything about india at all.Just like chinese members are ever present in threads taking a jab at us,we return the favour with some light trolling.Don't take it to heart.