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China's Vanishing Muslims - Undercover agent in Xinjiang

just to make it clear atheism is not a religion, what china is doing is called state religion, atheism is just an answer to one question whether you believe there is a god or not. not a religion. just so that people dont confuse state religion like in china and soviet union to atheism.
hahaha I always want some one to say that. yes atheism is a religion because it is also a set of believe that there is no higher power & everything is just science and no judgment day (its a paradox yes my atheist freinds always get mad but I love that ) and like every religion follower most of the followers are Ignorist meaning "following blindly" meaning they never ask question why this religion? does it holds truth? religion should inspire you not trap you ?
 
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It depends on how people define religion, Atheism is a belief, as for if it is a faith, most atheists don't care about what others believe and have no interest to convert others, so atheism is not as strong as a faith.
 
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You can call all Muslim leaders are spineless, but maybe that's why they can become leaders cause they have brains and you can only be you. All Muslim governments support China, that's all we need, as for individual people's postions, only good in PDF and can't have the slightest influence between the country to country relations.

Lol many of them are simply leaders because they were born in the right household. But sure let them have their "brains" and spinelessness. I'd rather be a some poor peasant than openly support oppression.

If you didn't care about what individual PDFers thought then you wouldn't be constantly spamming propaganda on this forum to cover up the oppression of uighurs.
 
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Wow, i don't know how China has the guts to deny even after all this.

Look at how those police thugs bullied her and treated her and she's a British journalist. Imagine what these bastards must be doing to Uighurs who China isn't afraid of.

Sickening. I can't believe this is happening in 2019. The surveillance, the cops following her and the fear on faces of people, this is why China doesn't allow journalists. So the world doesn't get to see the terrorism they're doing on Uighurs.

@Umair Nawaz Are you going to call this Western propaganda too?
What state terrorism? What oppression?

Yes an old Han lady had some arrogant and racist views on a train. Nothing remarkable there. Many old ladies think like that. Hope she gets reeducated herself.

When the reporter was accosted by police, she was hardly brutalized. She was told to not film sensitive areas and to move along. Police all over the world can be pushy, I didn't see any abuse of power. Police in Europe regularly boss people around in exactly this way. Clearly the journo is trying to exaggerate and so clearly, the police are right to be suspicious.

I agree that Uighur culture, language and religious rights must be protected. Their religious freedom should not be compromised. But there is no harm in teaching them to refrain from separatism and develop themselves.

At times these videos make xinjiang look like a police state, but not always. If there has been recently separatist activity, coupled with possible infiltration by foreign forces, then why is this surprising?

The younger Han men who seemed more thoughtful than the old train lady also questioned the heavy handedness of the police and simply wished to present their narrative that they are proud of the state they have grown up in - they didn't come across as arrogant or condescending towards Uighur people. They clearly weren't supremacist Han zombies that don't question anything, as western media would make us believe they all are.

Some heavily defended boarding schools teach citizenship lessons and people cry "state oppression". Gimme a break. We get the same brainwashing in Europe, we are just brainwashed into wanting it voluntarily, otherwise our social media status might take a negative hit and that might quickly spiral into serious charges of terrorism planning or sedition or a whole range of other trumped up stuff.

Just ask Julian assange or Mr snowden if their journalistic freedom was honoured in the free west.

I'm not defending everything I saw in the video...I'm just saying it is a slightly different version of "state worship" that we all put up with even out here in the free world. People need to panic less over these things as China quite simply protects China, whoever it us that is engaged in separatism, hk, Tibet and xinjiang all get fiercely monitored and spied on...this isn't some "anti Muslim" pogrom, which btw sets this clearly apart from the likes of Modi-land or Netanyahu-land.

All I see here is a protective nation state and their well intentioned attempts at reducing separatist sentiment by enhancing and improving the lives of those susceptible to separatism. Nobody said they are flawless but they aren't doing too bad a job I would say since many would agree that terrorist attacks have ended, and xinjiang appears to be developing.
 
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Lol many of them are simply leaders because they were born in the right household. But sure let them have their "brains" and spinelessness. I'd rather be a some poor peasant than openly support oppression.

If you didn't care about what individual PDFers thought then you wouldn't be constantly spamming propaganda on this forum to cover up the oppression of uighurs.
I honestly don't care what you think, why should I ? I just come here to promote China and for fun, What can your opinion influence anyone and any foreign policy of your nation, to be frank I just enjoy seeing you guys frustrated with no ability to do anything.

If China really oppressed Uighurs, why not even one Uighur soldier or office turned their guns against China? Most Xinjiang law enforcement officers are Uighurs, you can claim Uighurs oppress Uighurs in this case.

If China really oppressed Uighurs, Why top Uighur students study overseas still want to go back to China, to Xinjiang?

 
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What state terrorism? What oppression?

Yes an old Han lady had some arrogant and racist views on a train. Nothing remarkable there. Many old ladies think like that. Hope she gets reeducated herself.

When the reporter was accosted by police, she was hardly brutalized. She was told to not film sensitive areas and to move along. Police all over the world can be pushy, I didn't see any abuse of power. Police in Europe regularly boss people around in exactly this way. Clearly the journo is trying to exaggerate and so clearly, the police are right to be suspicious.

I agree that Uighur culture, language and religious rights must be protected. Their religious freedom should not be compromised. But there is no harm in teaching them to refrain from separatism and develop themselves.

At times these videos make xinjiang look like a police state, but not always. If there has been recently separatist activity, coupled with possible infiltration by foreign forces, then why is this surprising?

The younger Han men who seemed more thoughtful than the old train lady also questioned the heavy handedness of the police and simply wished to present their narrative that they are proud of the state they have grown up in - they didn't come across as arrogant or condescending towards Uighur people. They clearly weren't supremacist Han zombies that don't question anything, as western media would make us believe they all are.

Some heavily defended boarding schools teach citizenship lessons and people cry "state oppression". Gimme a break. We get the same brainwashing in Europe, we are just brainwashed into wanting it voluntarily, otherwise our social media status might take a negative hit and that might quickly spiral into serious charges of terrorism planning or sedition or a whole range of other trumped up stuff.

Just ask Julian assange or Mr snowden if their journalistic freedom was honoured in the free west.

I'm not defending everything I saw in the video...I'm just saying it is a slightly different version of "state worship" that we all put up with even out here in the free world. People need to panic less over these things as China quite simply protects China, whoever it us that is engaged in separatism, hk, Tibet and xinjiang all get fiercely monitored and spied on...this isn't some "anti Muslim" pogrom, which btw sets this clearly apart from the likes of Modi-land or Netanyahu-land.

All I see here is a protective nation state and their well intentioned attempts at reducing separatist sentiment by enhancing and improving the lives of those susceptible to separatism. Nobody said they are flawless but they aren't doing too bad a job I would say since many would agree that terrorist attacks have ended, and xinjiang appears to be developing.

You live in the UK, the most free and happy place for a Muslim to be today.

What if the UK police confiscated your camera and forced you to delete your footage of mosques and tourist places?

What if some creepy government person followed you and when questioned wouldn't even answer and still continue to follow you?

What if a couple cars keep following you wherever you go?

What if you land in UK and the people in government office tell each other to keep a strict on you because you took some photographs and questioned people?

What if while you are talking to some random strangers on streets, UK police and intelligence personnel tell you to not do that?

What if you're told to get the fck away from UK because you're photographing and interviewing people?

What if there are cameras everywhere and you're being watched and you wonder if you even have privacy in your home?

Then i want to know what you would say then. You would cry oppression, oppression.

If you're a Muslim, shame on you because our religion tells us to speak against oppression and be just even if it's against ourselves.

Put yourself in that girls position.

Not even India is as bad as Urumqi and Kashgar are. I see Azaan being heard in India.

What i see in that video is something i imagine Hitlers Nazi style Germany for Jews. My God, i still can't believe this is happening in 2019. We've been used to so much freedom.

Even in KPK when the war was going on in waziristan, things were lively and army didn’t meddle in every damn thing.

This is just unbelievable.

The biggest Muslim region in Xinjiang, the biggest mosque and not one nemazi seen, not a single call to prayer. Disgusting
 
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Europeans are real racists, go to youtube and check the comments from Europeans about Muslims, the hate and animosity is unbelievable.

Yep, no rallies. Just put Muslims in concentration camps until they become atheists or communists.
Or become skilled workers and technicians who can support themselves and their families and contribute to the society and the country.
 
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In other words, without the blatant lies, onesided baseless claims and unneccessary medial ochestration this so called "investigation" ends up inconveniently silly and pathetic like all the thinly veiled Western propaganda crap you Hindus keep parotting.
 
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Dead sparrow is the new injun reincarnation of previous false flagged captain Jack sparrow an Indian that was banned from this forum.

As to China having been many times, ordinary Muslims going about their lives are free to practice the religious rites and live a good life with the state helping.

But get into any kind of anti state behaviour and it doesn't matter if you are Christian, Buddhist, Muslim or Atheist, you gonna get fcked up.

Personally know of many high ranking CPC, PLA and bureaucrats who are Muslim, don't fall into this CIA sponsored plan to divide us from our ally.

Remember we have two true friends and allies, China and Turkey and that's it. Some are becoming close like Azerbaijan.
 
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Dead sparrow is the new injun reincarnation of previous false flagged captain Jack sparrow an Indian that was banned from this forum.

As to China having been many times, ordinary Muslims going about their lives are free to practice the religious rites and live a good life with the state helping.

But get into any kind of anti state behaviour and it doesn't matter if you are Christian, Buddhist, Muslim or Atheist, you gonna get fcked up.

Personally know of many high ranking CPC, PLA and bureaucrats who are Muslim, don't fall into this CIA sponsored plan to divide us from our ally.

Remember we have two true friends and allies, China and Turkey and that's it. Some are becoming close like Azerbaijan.

Oh nothing like argumentum ad hominem to get a false sense of winning an argument, Rafi the Muslim who loves China.

Instead of yapping blah blah, watch the video and then comment on it.

By the way, for a Muslim to believe in reincarnation, he becomes a Kafir immediately because you don't believe in the afterlife. So make up your mind.

Or maybe you didn't know what Pakistanis believe in? I don't even know who the hell you are and you already know i am reincarnated?

Funny

In other words, without the blatant lies, onesided baseless claims and unneccessary medial ochestration this so called "investigation" ends up inconveniently silly and pathetic like all the thinly veiled Western propaganda crap you Hindus keep parotting.

Because a Muslim especially Pakistani is physically incapable of standing against oppression and somehow love for China is ingrained in their veins.

You CPC lovers crack me up. Everything is a propaganda to you except the real propaganda by CPC.

You don't have a response to the video which shows clearly the police state, the open prison that Xinjiang is for Uighurs and the tactic you use is cut still images from the video. I guess this is how CPC does propaganda. You can even make a torture film pretty mild if you cut parts of it and shows images.
 
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You don't have a response to the video
I do. You just conveniently dodged it and just keep parotting their many times debunked lies like a broken record and keep bawling the usual fake crocodile tears.
 
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