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I don't know what to say...he basically googled hydrogen fuel cell, he read the fifth link, and then tried to fool us..god isnt he pathetic...and at the end he just adds "And that's why it is renewable"...

The step 1 requires more energy than the step 2 can deliver. What's so hard to understand ? If we had abundant resources of pur hydrogen it would be renewable, but we dont, so we need energy to produce it (yes, produce hydrogen, there's nothing wrong here), so the hydrogen fuel cell is renewable if the energy used to produce the hydrogen is renewable, that's all.

Shit it's like I'm trying to prove eating a fish does not transform you into a goat, it doesn't even makes sense...

Holy lord, yes I Googled for the picture and picked up some of the details from there, (were you expecting me to sketch you one?), and yes the fifth link is from the website where I picked it up. Do you honestly think I don't know what electrolysis is? Something I was taught 5 years ago in High School?

The energy efficiency for the reduction of oxygen isn't on par with what is needed for widespread adoption of hydrogen fuel cells. (here's an idea, go find out why that's the case, HINT redox)

Yes the efficiency of fuel cells isn't nearly as high as that of non-renewable technology. But we can DEFINITELY provide more energy output than is required for input.

I.e look up the NUMEROUS fuel cell cars/planes/etc in the world. I am a part of the UWA REV team (though admittedly haven't participated in anything for a while), we've successfully proved the viability of fuel cell vehicles.

Here's a link: http://therevproject.com

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.
 
"But we can DEFINITELY provide more energy output than is required for input."

I'm tired. Prove it.
 
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Bullshit...where does hydrogen come from ? You need energy to produce it...

Oh boy...yep that's water, not hydrogen, you need energy to separate oxygen and hydrogen...then you get that energy back when they get together again to create water...hydrogen fuel cell is only a way to stock energy, like a battery, it doesn't produce anything.

lol you still need energy to produce hydrogen..

Poor guy...
A- oh god...oxygen molecules... My head hurts...the irony is too powerful...he tries to correct someone...but then he makes that mistake...
B- Hahahaha.
Is he serious ?

I don't know what to say...he basically googled hydrogen fuel cell, he read the fifth link, and then tried to fool us..god isnt he pathetic...and at the end he just adds "And that's why it is renewable"...
The step 1 requires more energy than the step 2 can deliver. What's so hard to understand ? If we had abundant resources of pur hydrogen it would be renewable, but we dont, so we need energy to produce it (yes, produce hydrogen, there's nothing wrong here), so the hydrogen fuel cell is renewable if the energy used to produce the hydrogen is renewable, that's all.
Shit it's like I'm trying to prove eating a fish does not transform you into a goat, it doesn't even makes sense...

"But we can DEFINITELY provide more energy output than is required for input."

I'm tired. Prove it.

Lol high IQ Chinese member never ever heard of What is CHEMICAL REACTION??

lol i am surprise, REALLY SUPRISE that self proclaim High IQ chinese do not know you can get hydrogen by dropping a Sodium into Water, both natually abundant element
, that is called CHEMICAL REACTION


In fact, this is the periodic table.

periodic%20table%20of%20elements%20-%20hmpublishing.com.jpg


you can get Hydrogen without energy by dropping any Group 1A Alkaine meteal in water.
so you can drop Lithium, Sodium, Potassium, Roubidium and Francium into water and you get Hydrogen that way


lol, did you lot learn any chemistry in China??

By the way, you ever heard of Chemical Battery cell?? So you are telling me those alkaine battery
we used is coming from burnign coal or oil?? Battery like this??

200px-Alkali_battery_5.jpg


lol high IQ and their Chemisty, dude, you really crack me up

Chemical Reactions That Produce Hydrogen Gas | eHow 
maybe I'm behind the times, the last I heard a few years ago was it was going to be 400,000+ for one.

That's a lambo dude.

But then again, the car was from BMW, not from Honda. But 80,000 for a Honda? I won't drive one if they paid me.

It was 1 millions per back in 2005, and deperciate every year by research, the 70,000 to 80,000 is the price tag now, by the time they put it on sale, Honda hopefully lower the price to 40-50 Grand

If you say 80 grand a honda you would not buy, how about a 80 Grand overpriced Lexus branded Toyota??
 
Lol high IQ Chinese member never ever heard of What is CHEMICAL REACTION??

lol i am surprise, REALLY SUPRISE that self proclaim High IQ chinese do not know you can get hydrogen by dropping a Sodium into Water, both natually abundant element
, that is called CHEMICAL REACTION


In fact, this is the periodic table.

periodic%20table%20of%20elements%20-%20hmpublishing.com.jpg


you can get Hydrogen without energy by dropping any Group 1A Alkaine meteal in water.
so you can drop Lithium, Sodium, Potassium, Roubidium and Francium into water and you get Hydrogen that way


lol, did you lot learn any chemistry in China??

By the way, you ever heard of Chemical Battery cell?? So you are telling me those alkaine battery
we used is coming from burnign coal or oil?? Battery like this??

200px-Alkali_battery_5.jpg


lol high IQ and their Chemisty, dude, you really crack me up

Chemical Reactions That Produce Hydrogen Gas | eHow

Oi poofter, you want another humiliation so you will avoid my questions?

Where were your responses to my previous questions in other threads huh boy?

Want to get into argument, then don't run away poofter. Don't want to take the heat, then don't bother coming to this forum.

Answer my previous threads. Go on, give it a try!
 
Holy lord, yes I Googled for the picture and picked up some of the details from there, (were you expecting me to sketch you one?), and yes the fifth link is from the website where I picked it up. Do you honestly think I don't know what electrolysis is? Something I was taught 5 years ago in High School?

The energy efficiency for the reduction of oxygen isn't on par with what is needed for widespread adoption of hydrogen fuel cells. (here's an idea, go find out why that's the case, HINT redox)

Yes the efficiency of fuel cells isn't nearly as high as that of non-renewable technology. But we can DEFINITELY provide more energy output than is required for input.

I.e look up the NUMEROUS fuel cell cars/planes/etc in the world. I am a part of the UWA REV team (though admittedly haven't participated in anything for a while), we've successfully proved the viability of fuel cell vehicles.

Here's a link: http://therevproject.com

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

umm, that is because you are.

I will bet you any money i have even i told that guy you can get Electricity via chemical reaction, he will still challenge what i said :) 
Oi poofter, you want another humiliation so you will avoid my questions?

Where were your responses to my previous questions in other threads huh boy?

Want to get into argument, then don't run away poofter. Don't want to take the heat, then don't bother coming to this forum.

Answer my previous threads. Go on, give it a try!

lol your last question was deleted by Administrator, how am i suppose to answer that
 
Well f*ck, the Chinese better do something. You can shovel their 'air'. And the water ? Forget about it.
 
jhungary
you can get Hydrogen without energy by dropping any Group 1A Alkaine meteal in water.
so you can drop Lithium, Sodium, Potassium, Roubidium and Francium into water and you get Hydrogen that way
You can drop them in and get hydrogen but the entire process require you to get those item at the cause of energy, and the process of containing hydrogen also require energy ie the hydrogen will also need to be compress. So yes hydrogen can be chemically made from those item but the process of getting any useful hydrogen require energy..
 
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The Chinese need to pump more money into thorium reactor(MSTR or LFTR).. They need to get 10 to 20 set of molten salt thorium research reactor going at the same time.. Just like we American did at Oak Ridge in the 60 and 70s.. Thorium is the future everything else is just for show..
 
Lol high IQ Chinese member never ever heard of What is CHEMICAL REACTION??

lol i am surprise, REALLY SUPRISE that self proclaim High IQ chinese do not know you can get hydrogen by dropping a Sodium into Water, both natually abundant element
, that is called CHEMICAL REACTION


In fact, this is the periodic table.

periodic%20table%20of%20elements%20-%20hmpublishing.com.jpg


you can get Hydrogen without energy by dropping any Group 1A Alkaine meteal in water.
so you can drop Lithium, Sodium, Potassium, Roubidium and Francium into water and you get Hydrogen that way


lol, did you lot learn any chemistry in China??

By the way, you ever heard of Chemical Battery cell?? So you are telling me those alkaine battery
we used is coming from burnign coal or oil?? Battery like this??

200px-Alkali_battery_5.jpg


lol high IQ and their Chemisty, dude, you really crack me up

Chemical Reactions That Produce Hydrogen Gas | eHow 


It was 1 millions per back in 2005, and deperciate every year by research, the 70,000 to 80,000 is the price tag now, by the time they put it on sale, Honda hopefully lower the price to 40-50 Grand

If you say 80 grand a honda you would not buy, how about a 80 Grand overpriced Lexus branded Toyota??
Lol high IQ Chinese member never ever heard of What is CHEMICAL REACTION??

lol i am surprise, REALLY SUPRISE that self proclaim High IQ chinese do not know you can get hydrogen by dropping a Sodium into Water, both natually abundant element
, that is called CHEMICAL REACTION


In fact, this is the periodic table.

periodic%20table%20of%20elements%20-%20hmpublishing.com.jpg


you can get Hydrogen without energy by dropping any Group 1A Alkaine meteal in water.
so you can drop Lithium, Sodium, Potassium, Roubidium and Francium into water and you get Hydrogen that way


lol, did you lot learn any chemistry in China??

By the way, you ever heard of Chemical Battery cell?? So you are telling me those alkaine battery
we used is coming from burnign coal or oil?? Battery like this??

200px-Alkali_battery_5.jpg


lol high IQ and their Chemisty, dude, you really crack me up

Chemical Reactions That Produce Hydrogen Gas | eHow 


It was 1 millions per back in 2005, and deperciate every year by research, the 70,000 to 80,000 is the price tag now, by the time they put it on sale, Honda hopefully lower the price to 40-50 Grand

If you say 80 grand a honda you would not buy, how about a 80 Grand overpriced Lexus branded Toyota??
I thought we are talking about renewable energy here, this chemical process isn't reversible without additional process which require additional energy, and this definitely isn't how fuel cell works.
 
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The so-called developed countries are a phenomenon of yesterday,soon yesteryear。

Fuel-cells?LOL.

They will probably use China developed, designed and produced fuel-cells to water their gardens.:D
 
lol dude, how hard it is to retype the question here??

Unless of course the question were in fact deleted and you have no idea what did you ask before........

LOL

Why not put it here now, and i will answer it?? Or point to qhere the question is if mod did not deleted your question, i don't really understand

What a sook you are :lol:
 
jhungary
You can drop them in and get hydrogen but the entire process require you to get those item at the cause of energy, and the process of containing hydrogen also require energy ie the hydrogen will also need to be compress. So yes hydrogen can be chemically made from those item but the process of getting any useful hydrogen require energy..

Umm...

What you cannot see is you can use simply all chemical energy to generate electicity and power the hydrogen fuel cell. Even Renewable energy (Geoheat, Solar Power) or other energy source (Nuclear Energy)

This is how hydrogen fuel cell work

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Hydrogen molecule were made by whatever means you want and they were passed into a chamber with oxide (Which you can make using natually exist mineral and water) Most likely acid, the whole process generate electricity as long as both Air, Hydrogen and Water was piped in constantly.

You are mixed up between internal combustion and chemical energy.

Internal combustion burn combustible fuel to power generator by mechanical energy. However, the flow of ion does not require external energy to work, given an electrolyte (Pool of free ion) present. And you can use the energy produced by Chemical cell to revert the Ion in electrolyte.....That's how car battery work...

YOu do not burn hydrogen to get energy that way (Althougt you can) but rather using the Chemical properties of Hydrogen to mix with free hydrogen ion and a method of induction.

There are no moving part or chamber in a hydrogen fuel cell powered car, all you need is the input of Hydrogen. And as i said Hydrogen can be made without outside energy source. Hydrogen put in by filling station will charge the battery to go along, you don't need petrol in a Hydrogen fuel car as in a prius.

Have you ever driven one before?? 
I thought we are talking about renewable energy here, this chemical process isn't reversible without additional process which require additional energy, and this definitely isn't how fuel cell works.

umm, i am talking about US and the rest are focusing on alternative energy, not renewable energy. That is why we don't focus on developement of Renewable energy like the Chinese do.

And You can reverse any chemical reaction using another chemical reaction. If you cannot revert them, then you are basically declaring the conversation of atom does not actually exist. You are also forgetting we can capture energy release during chemical reaction (It use it to heat water to steam, and power a steam mill and revery back to water)

ANd finally, this is how fuel cell work. Differnet than a battery cell, You need to have constant input of "Fuel" and you can creat that fuel by any mean of natural chemical reaction. 
What a sook you are :lol:

so i tell you i cannot find your question and you say there are

You are not willing to retype the question nor can you point to me where your question is in this forum if they are not deleted.

What am i suppose to do?? Imagine what you ask me and answer it??

lol
 
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There are no moving part or chamber in a hydrogen fuel cell powered car, all you need is the input of Hydrogen. And as i said Hydrogen can be made without outside energy source. Hydrogen put in by filling station will charge the battery to go along, you don't need petrol in a Hydrogen fuel car as in a prius.

Have you ever driven one before??


Air, Hydrogen and Water was piped in constantly
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constantly piped in hydrogen mean that the source of the hydrogen have to be compress.. There by the process of compressing hydrogen will use energy..
now we go into the making of hydrogen as you said hydrogen can be made by dropping sodium into water.. Now since we talking about a lot of hydrogen production, that mean you need access to a boatload (a lot of energy needed to acquire a boat load of sodium)of sodium and a process by which you can drop the sodium into water mean you need machine to automate the process.. Machine needs energy btw..
Like I said you need energy to produce hydrogen, there is no way around that..

no I never driven one
 
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constantly piped in hydrogen mean that the source of the hydrogen have to be compress.. There by the process of compressing hydrogen will use energy..
now we go into the making of hydrogen as you said hydrogen can be made by dropping sodium into water.. Now since we taking about a lot of hydrogen production that mean you need access to boatload (a lot of energy needed to acquire a boat load of sodium)of sodium and a process by which you can drop the sodium into water mean you need machine to automate the process.. Machine needs energy btw..
Like I said you need energy to produce hydrogen there no way around that..

no I never driven one

lol, so what you are saying Nuclear energy is not a viable power producing source too then??

You cannot get natually existed Uranium and Plutonium to power a nuke plant.
It will take energy to make (Enrich) the Nuclear Material
It will take energy to tranport said material into Hydrobaric chamber (Unless you are willing to carry by hand)
It will take energy to break the atom in fissil material.

So nuclear power plant must not be feastible then.....

I never say Hydrogen energy is a self producing renewable energy like solar or wind power. I am just saying this is the direction of where the Western scientist goes. However, once you have started the sequent of Hydrogen fuel cell, you can harness the energy produce by hydro fuel cell to make hydrogen and compress hydrogen. This is exactly what a nuclear plants is doing

Currently, every hydrogen filling station get their energy by either burning methane or solar electrolysis, so what's your point?? That is because such method is cheaper than dropping a sodium into cold water or having to rig a acid fuel cell to power a electrolysis of water. That does not mean those method are not feastible

And currently, do you know why renewable cannot even take over 20% of world energy produce?? because renewable energy is not dependable. It very much depend on nature occurance.

China focus on Renewable energy, US focus on fuel cell, i don't see what and why you have anything to go after it. Some guy say you cannot make Hydrogen without using energy, and i said you can, am i wrong??
 
Lol high IQ Chinese member never ever heard of What is CHEMICAL REACTION??

lol i am surprise, REALLY SUPRISE that self proclaim High IQ chinese do not know you can get hydrogen by dropping a Sodium into Water, both natually abundant element
, that is called CHEMICAL REACTION


Sodium is not naturally abundant, but sodium chloride is, and it takes lot of energy to make pure sodium. For example, you would need 23 grams of sodium to produce 1 gram of hydrogen. Energy required to extract 23 grams of sodium from sodium chloride would be many times more than what would be given by converting 1 gram of hydrogen into water - by fuel cell or by burning.

In fact, using any chemical energy source (besides naturally occurring ones) would require more energy to produce than that would be delivered by them. Be it hydrogen, or batteries or any other chemical source.

Fuel cells are thus relatively unsafe (use hydrogen) and inefficient compared to other clean power sources (like battery).
 

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