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China's Race for Artificial Intelligence (AI) Technology

well, now you are talking more maturely my man. Nice one.

We build factories in China yes, but those are still british/british companies. In some ways its rather a strange WIN-WIN co-operation. Since Western/Japanese companies invest/set up/run huge factories in China for competitive reasons, China simply manufactures these western designed goods and services and exports them to the west/U.S/Japan. Its similar to vietnam in some ways, though it has more indeginious input than vietnam.
The real money is being made by our companies since this is where the high value lies, not in the low cost manufaturing china does. Reason the chinese governement is trying to move away from western designed manufactured goods in China to chinese designed and manufatured goods. Which i think is a wise decision. Since the low cost/low end manufacturing is ok/good, but not ideal for a country who wants to move up the value chain and be a global tech powerhouse, earning more bang for its buck.

So yes chinas has a huge trade surplus mainly from exporting western designed/run goods and servces with factories in China. In some way , its like our companies manufacturing their goods in china at competitive prices and simply exporting them back to us, this can happen with any developing country with good investment climate/decent infrastructure. So to be honest there is nothing special/high tech/ground breaking about that. Lol.
Since chinese exported goods are still of relatively low added value and quality, and they lack independent brands

I'm afraid to dissapoint you, but China is still behind technologically compared to the west/U.S/Japan and even S.korea.

Before you start bashing me as anti china, i will just quote from chinas own nationalistic media Global times , this is what china's own minister of commerce said/admitted, i quote:

In 2013, exports of electro-mechanical products and high-tech products accounted for 57.3 percent and 29.9 percent of the total exported goods respectively. However, the core technologies for a lot of these products are controlled by foreign companies, according to Gao.

Foreign companies in China produced 61.2 percent of China's electro-mechanical goods exported abroad and 73 percent of high-tech goods for exports, Gao said.

China becomes No.1 goods trading country - Global Times

So there you go, most of china's high tech/end production is still mainly dominated by western/japanese companies. So still a long way to go before you sart bragging. :undecided::china:

Well, the point is, multinationals don't have countries, they have interest, just like countries. So while it's nice to call Rolls Royce British (it's seated there), if most of the jobs were Chinese, they wouldn't really add a lot of value to the British economy (just an example, RR Plc is VERY British and most of it's jobs are there). What matters to countries, and to people, are jobs and factories. So it's a lot better for a hundred Chinese companies to built in the UK, than it is for Rolls Royce to do well, or not go bankrupt. If Chinese companies support more British jobs, that is.

You keep mixing X-country with X-corporation. So 'China' is behind in semiconductors (even if most of them are manufactured IN China), because the companies 'aren't Chinese'. For them not to be Chinese, the governments where those companies are seated, would have to force them to close all Chinese factories. Otherwise, it doesn't matter what flag they fly, they still produce those things in China with Chinese workers. There is no world war 3 scenario where they would all just pull back, and China couldn't manufacture them anymore.

Besides, even if just for bragging rights, 'China' will catch up there as well. Whether through state owned companies or private enterprise, there will be 'Chinese' high tech electronics soon.

Anyway, the world is globalizing. Nobody is pure anymore. Everybody feeds everybody, just the way it should be. Now as soon as possible hopefully, that intertwined economic relationship will lead to multipolar political, military and cultural balances as well.
 
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West unhappy when Ai softens criticism
2015-8-8 0:28:04

Chinese artist Ai Weiwei has drawn attention from the West again. But this time, the Western media is not sure how to define this figure.

After regaining his passport from authorities in July, Ai departed for Germany, where local media thronged after him. However, an interview published by Sueddeutsche Zeitung recently has drawn huge controversy.

Many German media organizations believe Ai has softened his tone toward the Chinese authorities. Ai said he was allowed to travel again with almost no restrictions, and he could also go back to China, and that the government told him he is a free person. Ai also said that he would not just criticize the government, but should also offer solutions.

When talking about lawyers recently being arrested in China, Ai said things are getting better than when he was detained years ago. "Today, when they detain you, they come with arrest orders. Courts decide what kind of treatment these people will get. They follow procedures," Ai was quoted as saying.

The Voice of America said Ai's words have drawn criticism from Chinese dissidents, who referred to this as the "collapse of an idol."

There are also reports and comments about Ai "helping the totalitarians," "betraying," "surrendering," or that the words do not seem to have come from a free person.

For a long time, Ai has been labeled by Western media as a maverick and a flag bearer who fights against the existing political system. Some Western forces bestowed various honorable titles of the "free world" upon him. Ai has been benefiting from these titles, but in the meantime, he has also been hijacked by them.

Many dissidents admit their awareness of the complex nature of their country's problems during private talks. But in public, they often act as "fighters" against the authorities. Every problem originates from the authorities' mistakes, and reflects the "evil of the system," they say.

This time Ai seemed to have broken out of the label of his role. He opened his heart to the media. It has surprised many, because he did not complain a lot about what he has "suffered" in China, as the Western media expected.

China is not the dark totalitarian country that some in the West described it as. Many elements from the developed world are taking root in China. The country is also facing new problems. The theory that all problems will be resolved once China adopts Western systems does not make sense.

History will prove that the extreme dissidents are actually day dreamers. They attempt to use Western political theories as mathematical formulas for Chinese society. They will only succeed in their dreams.
 
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  • Baidu’s ‘Medical Robot’: Chinese Search Engine Reveals Its AI for Health

August 9, 2015, 12:30 PM PDT

On a recent trip to Beijing, Wei Fan, a researcher for Baidu in Sunnyvale, Calif., had to deal with his mother’s unexpected ailment. Her knee ached. The wait to see doctors in the city is often arduous, so Wei called up an old friend who volunteered to stand in line for his mother. The friend waited for more than two hours.

Even after leaving the waiting room, Wei said, patients like his mother may wait longer to see the right physician.

His frustration with China’s overburdened health care informed Baidu’s latest product: A voice translation app akin to WebMD. Users rattle off a list of symptoms, such as achy joints, red eyes and a cough, and the Chinese search giant sends an immediate diagnostic suggestion (flu, 75% odds). Then, it links users to a nearby medical specialist.

A majority of Chinese online turn to the Web first for health information, and voice search is far less cumbersome than text, Wei said.

“From a patient’s point of view, you’d rather have something like natural language — something you can talk to, [so] you can describe multiple symptoms at the same time,” he told Re/code. “Our long term goal is to build a medical robot.”

Wei’s project, called AskADoctor in English, is one of the earliest to emerge from Baidu’s deep learning division since it hired Andrew Ng, a renowned data scientist and former marquee researcher at Google. And it’s an example of the unique tech interface the company can produce given its privileged access to the world’s biggest nation, which has kept Silicon Valley giants at arm’s length.

The initiative is also another sign of broader industry trend of tech firms storming into medical sciences with their artificial intelligence guns drawn. Earlier this week, IBM announced plans to acquire medical imaging company Merge Health, turning its data over to IBM’s supercomputers. Google, while not fully public about its medical programs, has similar ambitions. Apple has its wearable health strategy.

Baidu’s advantage comes with scale. Ng’s team talks of delivering research that has a direct impact on the company’s bottom line, reaching “hundreds of millions” of users. China’s tremendous Internet population makes the latter goal easier.

The team is also betting big on voice, a field where it may advance more in China than other rivals. Since February, Baidu’s deep learning stateside team, around 40 researchers, has worked on building artificial neural networks to process Mandarin. The technique allows machines to render the language — a complicated one, as it’s tonal and character-rich — with far more computing power. (See here for an explanation of neural nets and how tech giants are deploying them.)

“Just as the invention of the touch screen transformed how we all interact with technology,” Ng said, “I think there’s a potential of speech to make a huge transformation.”

With AskADoctor, the computer voice translation couples with another deep learning model that ropes in the health data owned and scrapped by Baidu across the Chinese Web. Wei said the product can assess 520 different diseases, representing upwards of 90 percent of the most common medical problems nationwide. A desktop version is now available, and Baidu plans to release the mobile app soon. Over time, Wei added, Baidu hopes to tie the product in with medical records in China, which are currently in the early stages of going digital.

The product fits with the company’s new focus on connecting online users to offline services — eventually, it will take a cut when it connects users to local doctors. It’s a necessary pivot, an attempt to re-insert the search engine’s relevancy as app usage outpaces mobile web. But it’s a costly one: Last quarter, Baidu reported revenue of $2.7 billion, below expectations, and said it plans to invest $3.2 billion in online-to-offline services.

Ng’s AI has helped counteract those costs, according to Baidu. A computer vision-driven improvement to an image product for advertisers improved click through and paid click rates, the company said on its earnings call.

The AI team has also brought a headache. In June, Baidu was barred from an international AI competition, in which companies like Google, Facebook and Microsoft compete, for breaking the rules with its image-recognition tech. Ng led the prompt move to fire Ren Wu, the researcher Baidu faulted for the breach, but the incident has damaged the company’s standing in the insular research world.

Baidu did not comment much on the episode, beyond that it had let go of the staff responsible.

Asked what sets Baidu’s AI division apart, Ng returned to size, and not just China’s. Baidu is investing heavily in A.I. hardware — it has 16 graphics processing units training speech models — something that Ng may not have had at Google, which tends to favor a more dispensable approach to hardware.

“I’m pretty confident we’re building supercomputers that let us scale with these deep learning algorithms bigger, faster than anyone else,” he said.

Baidu’s ‘Medical Robot’: Chinese Search Engine Reveals Its AI for Health | Re/code
 
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He knows he was taken for a ride. After being used, discard like garbage. Serves him right for not knowing where his roots come from.
 
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Hey, if you are (even partly) Chinese in the west and you can't make anything out of your career, you can always make a career as some D-bag ''dissident''! :disagree:

Just make some usual remarks about human rights and oppression. And oh, don't forget to mention Tiananmen 1989 on every 4th of July every year, along with the yearly anniversary of the ''occupation'' of Tibet and Chinese oppression of muslims around the Ramadan season. They will love you for it, as a ''Chinese''!

All jokes aside though, don't even think for a second that these so-called oversea dissidents are weak and can't make a voice for themselves. These so-called dissidents here in Europe, especially in the Netherlands, are organized as hell and use very aggressive spam tactics, which are directed at the oversea Chinese communities.

Anyone know the anti-Chinese Falun Gong newspaper called the Epoch Times? Well, they have a printing company here in Holland somewhere in Delft which they actively use to print and spread copies to thousands of Dutch Chinese. I always receive a copy in my mailbox from time to time, even though I didn't even ask for it. The only way those strangers could've done this, is by filtering the population registers, which are public here, for Chinese(-like) surnames and then write down our addresses. Don't know about other European Chinese here like @rugering and @Keel, but do you guys also receive a copy of the Epoch Times from time to time, even though you don't have subscription or anything?

If you open it, there is, aside from the usual anti-China ranting, A LOT of pages dedicated to advertising. Lots of it of Asian restaurants, Chinese ''medicine'' stores and shady Chinese massage parlours from all over Europe and even some Asian escort services in Amsterdam. Which makes me believe that these Falun Gong guys are somewhat involved with the criminal Chinese underworld in Europe, in order to fund their activities.
 
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Falungong is funded by United State Congress through the Friends of FLG. They receive millions of dollars to "promote" democracy. They even have a variety show called Shenyun.
 
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maybe they don't pay him enough :D

Exactly right. AWW is hooker, not really a loyal fifth column for the US. Otherwise, why would the Party ever appoint him as an artistic consultant for the 2008 Olympics? After 2008, the US bidded a high price and got his 'services'. Now, they are no longer willing to pay up. But AWW only works for clients who can pay. ;)
 
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Exactly right. AWW is hooker, not really a loyal fifth column for the US. Otherwise, why would the Party ever appoint him as an artistic consultant for the 2008 Olympics? After 2008, the US bidded a high price and got his 'services'. Now, they are no longer willing to pay up. But AWW only works for clients who can pay. ;)

The guy is an artist-entrepreneur, then.
 
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A question: is the surname "Ai" a Chinese Jewish surname?
 
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