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China's NDU recommends 400-strong Y-20 fleet - IHS Jane's 360

Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC and James Hardy, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

27 July 2014

A new report on civil-military integration by China's National Defence University (NDU) has called for the construction of 400 Xian Aircraft Corporation Y-20 heavy transport aircraft.

Written by NDU's Center for Economic Research, 'Chinese Military and Civilian Integration Development Report, 2014' was revealed on 25 July by Chinese state media outlets. Containing six parts, the report covers the theory and practice of civil-military integration and reviews its progress in China along with recommendations for its improvement.

While it is not clear whether the NDU report reflects thinking within the People's Liberation Army (PLA) leadership, it is significant as the PLA almost never openly discusses future requirements for major military systems.
 
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400 ? damn what they are gonna load? last time it was 300
 
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Its good, if the PLA has a requirement for 400 Y-20s, it means that the price tag will drop and we would be able to afford these awesome flying rhinos.
sir i haev fear . remember USA ? when nations grow and become power they spend on defense much more then needed and one day they sunk in debit and become history . 400 transport planes mean to no sense . remember USAF using 223 total C-17s
 
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The 400 figure is just for military use and as transporters。

There are other military uses such re-fueling tankers and AWACS(derivative of C919 is another possible platform)

Then there is huge demand for civilian cargo planes now that China is the No. 1 e-commerce and e-logistics country in the world。
 
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sir i haev fear . remember USA ? when nations grow and become power they spend on defense much more then needed and one day they sunk in debit and become history . 400 transport planes mean to no sense . remember USAF using 223 total C-17s

I don't think it's set in stone, I think 150-200 is more realistic. But I have a feeling from reports I heard that this is in fact the first step in the heavy transport department. More models will come later.


The 400 figure is just for military use and as transporters。

There are other military uses such re-fueling tankers and AWACS(derivative of C919 is another possible platform)

Then there is huge demand for civilian cargo planes now that China is the No. 1 e-commerce and e-logistics country in the world。

This.
 
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The 400 figure is just for military use and as transporters。

There are other military uses such re-fueling tankers and AWACS(derivative of C919 is another possible platform)

Then there is huge demand for civilian cargo planes now that China is the No. 1 e-commerce and e-logistics country in the world。

Wait Isn't 400 To Damn much,even for you guys.
 
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sir i haev fear . remember USA ? when nations grow and become power they spend on defense much more then needed and one day they sunk in debit and become history . 400 transport planes mean to no sense . remember USAF using 223 total C-17s

We spend very little on defence, only about 5% of our Government budget goes into defence (or 1.4% of GDP). That's nearly the lowest in the world, out of any major nation.

The reason our actual defence budget is so large, is because our GDP and Government budget are enormous. But in percentage terms we are not spending much.

Military spending should see a boom around the 2025 mark, when our economy is much more powerful, and we have a wide spectrum of mature weapons platforms to produce on a large scale.
 
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We spend very little on defence, only about 5% of our Government budget goes into defence (or 1.4% of GDP). That's nearly the lowest in the world, out of any major nation.

The reason our actual defence budget is so large, is because our GDP and Government budget are enormous. But in percentage terms we are not spending much.

Military spending should see a boom around the 2025 mark, when our economy is much more powerful, and we have a wide spectrum of mature weapons platforms to produce on a large scale.


It is possible that the proportion of defence that China spends remains constant at the around 1.5 per cent GDP figure.

China's economy in GDP PPP is already around about as large as the US and the Chinese can end up matching the US military by keeping share of GDP on defence spending constant over time.

It really boils down just how powerful China wants to become. If it wants to become more powerful than US then it will need to increase percentage of GDP spent on defence.
 
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It is possible that the proportion of defence that China spends remains constant at the around 1.5 per cent GDP figure.

China's economy in GDP PPP is already around about as large as the US and the Chinese can end up matching the US military by keeping share of GDP on defence spending constant over time.

It really boils down just how powerful China wants to become. If it wants to become more powerful than US then it will need to increase percentage of GDP spent on defence.
Something to add. Production cost and defence wages of armed personnel in China is much much lower than US.

This expenditure cost a significant portion in defence budget.
 
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A new report on civil-military integration by China's National Defence University (NDU) has called for the construction of 400 Xian Aircraft Corporation Y-20 heavy transport aircraft.

Written by NDU's Center for Economic Research, 'Chinese Military and Civilian Integration Development Report, 2014' was revealed on 25 July by Chinese state media outlets. Containing six parts, the report covers the theory and practice of civil-military integration and reviews its progress in China along with recommendations for its improvement.

While it is not clear whether the NDU report reflects thinking within the People's Liberation Army (PLA) leadership, it is significant as the PLA almost never openly discusses future requirements for major military systems.

The report's treatment of China's transport sector has gained the most attention in the state media, with the most prominent suggestion being that China consider the acquisition of up to 400 Y-20 transports. The report noted that the United States has 700 medium and large transport aircraft, while Russia has 800 and India 200.

The report states that the transports should be organized in 10 'divisions' that would each likely comprise two regiments of 20 aircraft. It also acknowledges that Y-20 development is impeded by domestic engine development - something that was widely known but not previously acknowledged in official publications.

The first Y-20 prototype first flew on 26 January 2013 and a second prototype has entered its testing programme. With future indigenous turbofans the Y-20 would reportedly be capable of carrying a 65-ton payload.

The NDU report also makes four basic recommendations to improve civil-military integration in China's transport sector, including a call to build offshore bases on remote islands and overseas countries.

The first suggestion is to increase investments in dual-use technology, specifically commercial transport aircraft that can also serve military missions such as transport, airborne early warning and control, and aerial refueling.

A second recommendation is to better exploit the capability of civil transport assets, especially maritime assets, to create a reserve strategic delivery capability. Third, the NDU recommends that command of civil transport assets be better co-ordinated and centralized; more reflective of a military structure.

Fourth, the NDU recommends an 'overseas' aspect to civil-military integration, such as building a network of foreign bases or supply depots. It further recommends the strengthening of "strategic frontier islands" and "reefs" by building airports and "large floating platforms" that could facilitate "remote strategic delivery" and serve as supply depots.

ANALYSIS
IHS Jane's analysis has identified strategic transport aircraft as a key capability weakness for China - something that has limited both power projection and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operations.


The Y-20 is an attempt to address this without relying on imports, although IHS Jane's has previously reported that it was designed with extensive assistance from the Antonov Design Bureau in Kiev. As the NDU report states, engines remain a weakness and the first prototype aircraft was powered by four of the same Perm/Soloviev D-30KP-2 engines that power the Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft.

Meanwhile, the reliability of the data in the NDU report on the Y-20 is supported by its suggestions that China strengthen its presence in "strategic frontier islands" and "reefs". Ongoing dredging activities in the Spratly islands and plans released by Chinese state shipbuilders for the airbases and "large floating platforms" recommended by the report suggest that this is a strategic programme for Beijing, albeit one that may lead to conflict with its Southeast Asian neighbours.

China's NDU recommends 400-strong Y-20 fleet - IHS Jane's 360
 
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