China's J-15 Carrier-Based Fighter is Inferior to Russian Su-33 fighter: Russia

[Rajaraja Chola]

I think you're taking a leap in claiming China threatened India with another front when this was never remotely hinted at. On the other hand, the Americans had a very hostile attitude towards India which had the potential to escalate into full air support for Pakistan. I think absent Soviet support, the US would have provided air superiority and bombing support for Pakistan, along with assassinations of all prominent Pakistani (Bangladeshi) separatists. If that had happened, Bangladesh would have probably never happened.

Maybe it was true, but remember soviet union was very big that time it would have bombed pakistan apart from all directions if it were supported by USA....
And china did threaten india...
But indian general Sam Manekshaw impresses upon the leadership that chinese can never be trusted and war should be started when the snow covers the himalayan mountains in the north making it impossible for the chinese to start a war...
However they did threaten with troop build up , once they came to know the clause plus soviet union increased the troop number in chinese border , china backed off dude....

 

[Alchemy]

and any attack on china by russia means, if not russia's end as a civilization, then its permanent end as a world power.

but both russia and USA can nuke india with no negative consequences, there is no nation in the world that can nuke china with no negative consequences. in fact with our new ABM system or a first strike on india we can take out india with few negative consequences.

Stop trolling for the sake of it and stick to the topic ...

By the way China cant nuke India without negative consequences too ...so stop worrying about nuking for a while !

 

[Alchemy]

you do realize that even china and the former USSR signed a treaty of friendship. it was technically valid even during the height of of the sino-soviet split. secondly i am having trouble believing that russia will go t o war against china for india(unless it had something serious at stake.. like its own survival) especially seeing as Siberia is mostly empty and there are more than 100 million Chinese just across the boarder, the logistics alone would be a nightmare.

secondly china's ABM is far more advance than india's

Russia wont fight on behalf of India is very much similar to the case China wont fight for pakistans behalf against India as simple as that ! Yeah logistics plays its part in himalayas too , and today's India is no India of 1962!!!

Regarding ABMs please support your claims with facts or its just a waste of time !

 

[applesauce]

Russia wont fight on behalf of India is very much similar to the case China wont fight for pakistans behalf against India as simple as that ! Yeah logistics plays its part in himalayas too , and today's India is no India of 1962!!!

Regarding ABMs please support your claims with facts or its just a waste of time !

firstly ur argument is faulty, the argument i made has nothing to do with whether or not china will support Pakistan. i never suggested china would intervene

secondly, an indian member made the claim that india's ABM is far Superior to china's, he has posted no proof if you want evidence have him post some first to i can make an argument against it

 

[applesauce]

I think chinese armed forces dont have 100 million force levels...

population not arm forces

 

[Dazzler]

On a lighter note, Modification stands for improvement in most cases but Russians believe that Chinese modifications make their products inferior.

 

[amalakas]

On a lighter note, Modification stands for improvement in most cases but Russians believe that Chinese modifications make their products inferior.

to swap a 450bhp engine from a ferrari for a 120bhp engine from a Fiat is still a modification, or a 'mod' .. is the ferrari faster/better now ??

 

[SQ8]

to swap a 450bhp engine from a ferrari for a 120bhp engine from a Fiat is still a modification, or a 'mod' .. is the ferrari faster/better now ??

How sure are you about the engine being from a fiat.. or 120bhp..?? do have irrefutable proof that it is a 120 bhp engine?

 

[applesauce]

to swap a 450bhp engine from a ferrari for a 120bhp engine from a Fiat is still a modification, or a 'mod' .. is the ferrari faster/better now ??

except in this case a 450 hp engine from a ferrari is put into a fiat, in addition to heated leather seats, bose sound system, all the whistles and snaz that better cars have, and with improved safety systems. is the fiat better now?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

firstly ur argument is faulty, the argument i made has nothing to do with whether or not china will support Pakistan. i never suggested china would intervene

secondly, an indian member made the claim that india's ABM is far Superior to china's, he has posted no proof if you want evidence have him post some first to i can make an argument against it

here is my proof dude...
India's Missiles Fly Up the Learning Curve - Airforce Technology

 

[J-20]

India's Missiles Fly Up the Learning Curve - Airforce Technology

"China's high-altitude SAMs can engage some ballistic missiles, but only to a 30km ceiling, and evidently China has no R&D effort comparable to India's BMD programme at this time."

so this is the proof... ??!!

---------- Post added at 07:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:20 PM ----------

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...kistan-china-has-been-some-extent-proven.html

 

[amalakas]

How sure are you about the engine being from a fiat.. or 120bhp..?? do have irrefutable proof that it is a 120 bhp engine?

because the chinese tech needs to be proven first.

except in this case a 450 hp engine from a ferrari is put into a fiat, in addition to heated leather seats, bose sound system, all the whistles and snaz that better cars have, and with improved safety systems. is the fiat better now?

no.. in this case we have an italian made ferrari and a copy. Can the copy be better, yes there is no reason it cannot, but is this copy better than the original? needs to be proven first, but the development stages were rumoured to be plagued with problems... reasonably so.

 

[J-20]

When a T-10k become a fully functional Su-33? When China actually have got a Su-33? How China copy Su-33 without a actual Su-33 in hands?

and No country produce Su-33 anymore

 

[applesauce]

because the chinese tech needs to be proven first.



no.. in this case we have an italian made ferrari and a copy. Can the copy be better, yes there is no reason it cannot, but is this copy better than the original? needs to be proven first, but the development stages were rumoured to be plagued with problems... reasonably so.

there are several things that we know, the J-15 was indeed created with help but that help was in the form of a T-10 from Ukraine not a fully in production SU-33

the technology on board came mostly from the J-11B and the tech on board the decades old SU-33 was from the SU-27 and china has in its service the SU-27(and the SU-30) and had concluded that the J-11b is superior to the SU-27 in all aspects, rumors are abound that it carriers a AESA as well a a multitude of other improvements such as composite materials and obviously more modern hub. as for the development meeting difficulty check this -> China Defense Blog: Chinese poem of the day: Azolla ( go ask chinese members what it means when these poems come out

well your turn, wheres the proof that its not better

 

[marshall]

And china did threaten india...
But indian general Sam Manekshaw impresses upon the leadership that chinese can never be trusted and war should be started when the snow covers the himalayan mountains in the north making it impossible for the chinese to start a war...
However they did threaten with troop build up , once they came to know the clause plus soviet union increased the troop number in chinese border , china backed off dude....

As I said, I think you're exaggerating by claiming China threatened another front when that simply never happened. The extent of China's involvement was weapons supply and diplomatic support. It was Indian scare mongering that created this and other myths just as Indian politicians and media still do today. There is never a shortage of China threat, China invasion theories among India's intelligentsia. The only actual direct external threat besides Pakistan in the 1971 war was America which was being held at bay by the Soviets.