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China’s Economic Base Is Shrinking, And Dramatically So

With China's current hostile approach towards countries like Taiwan, the west could easily block all food imports to China in response to a war, which already largely depends on food imports. I don't think it's a smart idea to make China's food supply less independent. At least not with the current approach.
You know nothing about China. China can feed its people by its own. China imports grains to feed livestocks.

It means China is in a race to get fully developed, before its population shrinks to the point economic growth is much harder to achieve, like Japan is at right now.
China at least has 50 years before its population drops to dangerous level. Chinese government has not adopted any measure to increase population yet. It will if necessary. We all know how efficient Chinese government is when it decides to do something.
 
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With China's current hostile approach towards countries like Taiwan, the west could easily block all food imports to China in response to a war, which already largely depends on food imports. I don't think it's a smart idea to make China's food supply less independent. At least not with the current approach.
Countries like "Taiwan"? Error 404 Country Not Found.

Do you understand the concept of efficiency? How many developed countries have 25% of their workforce in agriculture? China will have far fewer agricultural workers and far higher output.

On the subject of blockading China's food, that's just a fantasy. It's a fantasy because of these
If China starves, America burns.
 
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You know nothing about China. China can feed its people by its own. China imports grains to feed livestocks.


China at least has 50 years before its population drops to dangerous level. Chinese government has not adopted any measure to increase population yet. It will if necessary. We all know how efficient Chinese government is when it decides to do something.

I have did a calculation. If China need to be soy independence, then she will need to convert around 30% of Tarim basin to farmland.
 
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China’s Economic Base Is Shrinking, And Dramatically So

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Beijing has informed the world that for the first time in 70 years the nation’s population declined – by some 850,000 since the last census. It seems set to stay on this trajectory, too. United Nations (UN) demographers see future declines, from a population of 1.4 billion presently to 1.3 billion in 2050, to 800 million or so by the end of the century. This demographic reality promises to constrain the nation’s growth prospects severely, not immediately but with growing intensity over coming years. It further promises to compound economic ill effects by raising debt levels in this already debt-heavy economy. And there is little Beijing can do to mitigate these unwelcome implications.

The crucial demographic consideration, for economics at least, is the relative size of the nation’s working-age population. Because Beijing for decades imposed a one-child policy on Chinese families – for the last 45 years in fact until recently – the nation now faces a relative paucity of workers to replace the huge generation that is now retiring. The numbers of those of working age – by convention, between the ages of 15 and 64 – have in fact hardly grown at all since 2010. But the older population of retirement-age Chinese has grown a whopping 53 percent, increasing from 9 percent of the total population in 2010 to 13 percent at last measure. There are as a consequence, barely 3.5 people of working age today available to support each retiree, down from about 6.5 in 2000 and 5.5 in 2010. And that figure is expected to fall below 2.3 by 2030 and even lower in the years following.

To grasp the economic ramifications of this situation, consider the burden on these few workers. Each must support himself or herself, personal dependents, and about a third of everything each retiree needs. No three-some workers anywhere, at least on average, are productive enough to shoulder this need. The economic strain will be that much greater than the raw numbers imply because the large aging population will necessarily siphon off workers from everyday production to medical and other care needs. China will have little surplus production for the investments required for economic growth, most especially the grand projects for which China has become famous and which have so contributed to the country’s former, impressive pace of growth.

What is more damaging is that these demographics will have significant and adverse financial implications as well. The pension needs of these retirees will force considerable borrowing requirements on local governments as well as Beijing. China already carries a bigger debt burden than most countries, including even the United States. At last measure all debt – public and private – amounted to the equivalent of about $52 trillion, verging on almost three times the size of the economy. To be sure, Washington carries a bigger debt burden than Beijing does, but that is because Beijing off loads borrowing needs — to support infrastructure spending for instance — onto local governments. Pension demands will increase this burden still further and unavoidably crowd out the growth-fostering projects that in the past have done so much for China’s development.
And there is little Beijing can do to offset these ill effects. A few years ago, the authorities finally awakened to the potential economic damage of the one-child policy. They rescinded the law and allowed larger families. But even if Chinese people had immediately taken advantage of that more liberal environment, it would be 15-20 years before the change could have effect on the relative size of the country’s working-age population. As it is, the nation’s fertility rate has not risen in response to the new law. Nor is China likely to see a wave of immigration to enlarge the ranks of the working aged. On the contrary, China regularly experiences more out than in migration.

The only other avenue open for relief is in worker productivity. To this end, Beijing has emphasized the development and adoption of artificial intelligence (AI) and robotics. Indeed, China has become a world leader in these areas. No doubt in time these trends will substitute algorithms, computers, and machines for labor and make the country’s relatively limited working population more productive than it is today. AI and robotics can also help by limiting the need for physical labor and thereby enabling Chinese to work at older ages than in the past. But these things can only go so far. However much these efforts can mitigate the strain imposed by demographic realities, they cannot correct for them entirely, leaving China facing slower growth with less room for grand investment projects than has been the case until now.


Mighty 'Murica. So so insecure. Pathetic.
 
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When you have 1.4 billion people, the last thing you will worry is having no people, even China lost one third of her population, she would still one of the two countries on the planet using the world billion for her population.
 
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China at least has 50 years before its population drops to dangerous level.
Make it 500 or 5,000. The last thing the planet needs is more humans. See this graph, this is worse than a nuke.
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Make it 500 or 5,000. The last thing the planet needs is more humans. See this graph, this is worse than a nuke.
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LMAO world population is never going to reach 10 billion. Fertility is plummeting around the world:
It'll probably drop below replacement by 2030. The only way the population keeps growing past 2100 is if sci-fi medicine that cures aging and makes people immortal is developed.
 
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China can probably grow at a relatively fast pace (>4%) on average for the next 10 years or so.

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China's GDP per capita is still relatively low. Poland, which also has a declining population with a GDP capita ~1.5x of China's, grew at around 4% for the past 5 years. I don't think it's unreasonable for the Chinese to benchmark themselves against the Poles.

China's aging and shrinking population's drag on economic growth won't be that pronounced for the next 15 years or so. They still have millions of rural workers moving to the cities to look for higher productivity jobs every year, a trend which I think can still continue for at least a decade as their urbanization rate is only ~65% compared to ~80% in other developed countries.

But after that phase their urban population will also start to stagnate and shrink, and their economy will indeed face huge (and ever increasing) downward pressures. Not unlike Japan today, they will face challenges like rising pension and medical costs, shrinking workforce, and a more mature economy which means slower productivity growth to negate the effects of a shrinking workforce.
 
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I have did a calculation. If China need to be soy independence, then she will need to convert around 30% of Tarim basin to farmland.
Modern farmings don’t require huge lands. Its all about efficiency, Look at the Netherlands. The country name says it “land under water”. They don’t have lands to live on, least to farm anything. However the Netherlands is the world’s second biggest farm produce exporter.

Most imported farm produces consumed in Germany come from there. If we in Vietnam adopt the same strategy we can feed the entire population of China without any problem. Don’t need to start a war.
 
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Can China restart population growth..my meeting with rural Chinese my guess is may be in rural China ...
If it does China has very bright future

If it doesn't well China would need to adopt and keep the option of immigration open if it needs to
People have less kids when it becomes a nuisance to them and more kids when it benefits them, as a rule of thumb.

In dense Chinese cities where housing might be expensive and crammed, families won't grow. And since China is moving towards urbanization, that's going to be the case. Rural Chinese people may make more babies but that doesn't matter, what matters is China as a whole.
 
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