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My annual income is more than 0.3M RMB or 50,000 $, but, it's not high at all in big city like Beijing,Shanghai,Shenzhen, etc. etc. I guess u don't believe it, right?

It's the real fact in those cities tell the truth, I don't live their lives, but I know where's the state budget come to ...
I myself has annual income above $50,000, but I am discussing on behalf of poor people everywhere world-wide.

You should not be proud of a project with huge amount of state budget into few guys pocket like that.
Beside, Increasing the speed, is bringing more accidents and deaths ( in real cases ).

Your authorities know well that sacrifice some speed could save the money for people, low fare, accidents ... and they are adjusting the speed down ... you don't know ? But the losses during constructions and operation happened.
Just try to correct it, and make benefit for yourself, your people ...

Lesson learn is good, argueing for the rightness here, not benefit to anyone, but promote corruption.

Hey, keep your eyes open and see it carefully, pal, the 530 price is "Soft Sleeper Fares", it's a bed, not a seat, you can sleep on it and take the train as motel.

530rmb is for luxury seat of conventional rail. I want you to develop more of that kind ...
That's good for an overnight travelling, with a reasonable fare rate ...

1750 for the same, .... hmmm
 
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BoQ77, From your comments, I can fell your ignorance and envy, hehe.


some guys wish to have the huge budget from state ( in this case hundreds billion USD ) for ineffective projects.
Big project, not too much care about effective ... lead to big money in their pocket.

Zhang Shuguang himself put 2.8 billion usd into his pocket..

you looks happy to see that ...
Too ridiculous, From high price ticket to corruption, what's the next?
the question: Corruption just occur in High speed rail project? you logic is very ridiculous, I'd think you thought should China solve corruption problem first, or stop building new infrastructure?

About safety :

Shinkansen not suffer any fatal accident during 50 years of heavy operation.
Let learn from their achievement.
You take Japan as example, but why don't take German as example? We will improve our safety, learning their experience from advanced country, because of one accident, so we should stop high speed rail, ridiculously!

I hear that HSR fare 150$ - 285$ for 1300 km , travel during 5 hours trip
when they lower the speed a little bit ( trave during 9 hours ) - the fare down to two - third ... cheaper and safer. That's what I mentioned.
Hehe, From Beijin to Shanghai, the price of ticket for the second class seat is about 500 Yuan, about 90$, and the second class of HSR is the most in HSP, as to the lower rail that travel during 9 hours, its second class of ticket is about 400 Yuan,

of course, you can choose other low rail, 156 Yuan for hard seat, but need about 20 Hours, 177 Yuan for hard seat but need about 14 hours, which will you choose?

You just can "heart" something, but you know nothing about China, you posting let you as ignorant.

it costs more ( double to triple ) than ordinary air ticket fare from Hanoi - Hochiminh city, 1800km. travel during 2 hours.


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Hehe, ordinary air ticket fare from Shengzheng to Beijin is just about 800 Yuan, Full fare just about 1700, the range is longer than the line of Hanoi - Hochiminh city, as to Shanghai to Beijin, the air ticket is lower, you can easily buy it with just about 500 Yuan.

BTW, the ticket you posting is for luxury, it is for rich, With about 500 Yuan, you can buy ticket for second class of HSR that traveling much less time, and luxury ticke of ordinary rail that travel long time, which will you choose?


You built it with high cost and many corruption, accident and death ...
Building ordinary Rail without huge cost, corruption, accident and death?


You clone Shinkansen by steal their tech and cannot achieve what they achieved !!!
50 years of operation without any fatal accident ...

Safety first , pals !!!
Now you slip to cloning problem. German and France will be not happy, you give all credit to Japan, hehe.

Yeah, satety is important, but seems you are advanced country like western, do nothing, be satest.


It's the real fact in those cities tell the truth, I don't live their lives, but I know where's the state budget come to ...
I myself has annual income above $50,000, but I am discussing on behalf of poor people everywhere world-wide.

You should not be proud of a project with huge amount of state budget into few guys pocket like that.
Why can't we be proud of high-speed rail? you feel bad at this, or you envy us because of your impotence?

Beside, Increasing the speed, is bringing more accidents and deaths ( in real cases ).
How many accident and deaths? comparing with ordinary rail?
More accidents and deaths occur in air flight, so you idiot cancel all plane.


Your authorities know well that sacrifice some speed could save the money for people, low fare, accidents ... and they are adjusting the speed down ... you don't know ? But the losses during constructions and operation happened.
Seems you know well the thought of authorities, hehe, if they like you, How China can be better than you poor and impotent viet, hehe.

Just try to correct it, and make benefit for yourself, your people ...

Lesson learn is good, argueing for the rightness here, not benefit to anyone, but promote corruption.
Still that idiotic theory, hehe, China is going ahead, also learn good from other advanced country, if you vietnam afraid of failure, keep staying there, don't move, I will be happy if you do that.
Of course, you vietnam envy western, want to go to that level with just one step.


530rmb is for luxury seat of conventional rail. I want you to develop more of that kind ...
That's good for an overnight travelling, with a reasonable fare rate ...

1750 for the same, .... hmmm
Hehe, Idiotic and Ignorant vietnamese, With 530RMB, I can buy second class ticket of HSR, and I can arrive on shanghai from Beijing in 5 hours, you want Luxury seat of ordinary rail, your choice, but need more than 14 hours, do you know why luxury seat of ordinary rail is expensive, because the it is a bed, not a seat, you can lay down, and sleep.
 
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Hey, for the distance of 1600 km, air passenger is the best choice.
HSR maximum distance which is still effective, only a half of above distance.
And HSR fare should lower than air ticket ...

For air passenger, we take the early bird flight for 2 hours to reach the destination for a meeting at 9-9:30am and come back at the end of the day and come home.

It's totally wrong to think that using HSR for workers to come home once or twice per year.
That's for high density corridors of urban centers only.
You said China is big in size, USA same, ... and their air passenger dominate the domestic demand for passenger moving around

Are you sure workers want to move from Beijing to Shanghai at the end of the year, while the their destination is Qinghai ?

The better choice for fast moving, ... they take the flight to the city that near their homeland, and using another modal to come home in short distance ( under 400 km )
 
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Xinjiang's longest rail tunnel completed

2014-03-01 12:46


Xinhua Web Editor: Si Huan


The longest railway tunnel in northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region was completed on Friday.

Spanning 22.449 km, the left part of the Zhongtianshan Tunnel was finished on Friday morning, making the tunnel the longest of its kind in Xinjiang and the third-longest in China, according to the Urumqi Railway Bureau (URB).

Undertaken by the URB and the China Railway 18 Bureau Group Co., Ltd, the tunnel took about seven years to build. Its right section, 22.467 km in length, was finished in September 2013.

The tunnel is part of Nanjiang Railway's second trunk that links Turpan with Korla in southern Xinjiang. The 333.864-km-long line, expected to begin operation at the end of the year, will slash train journeys by 122 km.

Xinjiang's longest rail tunnel completed - Headlines, features, photo and videos from ecns.cn|china|news|chinanews|ecns|cns
 
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Hey, for the distance of 1600 km, air passenger is the best choice.
HSR maximum distance which is still effective, only a half of above distance.
And HSR fare should lower than air ticket ...

For air passenger, we take the early bird flight for 2 hours to reach the destination for a meeting at 9-9:30am and come back at the end of the day and come home.

It's totally wrong to think that using HSR for workers to come home once or twice per year.
That's for high density corridors of urban centers only.
You said China is big in size, USA same, ... and their air passenger dominate the domestic demand for passenger moving around

Are you sure workers want to move from Beijing to Shanghai at the end of the year, while the their destination is Qinghai ?

The better choice for fast moving, ... they take the flight to the city that near their homeland, and using another modal to come home in short distance ( under 400 km )

You know nothing about transportation, airplane is a point-to-point kind of thing with higher cost, on the contrary, rail way can have many stop/stations alone the territories, rail way have much bigger effect on economy enhancement than that of airliner.
 
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You know nothing about transportation, airplane is a point-to-point kind of thing with higher cost, on the contrary, rail way can have many stop/stations alone the territories, rail way have much bigger effect on economy enhancement than that of airliner.

You are talking about conventional railway ...
HSR has a few station and effective range 150-750 km only.
it need more lands to build and fixed route ... while airline adjusting the route is easier ...

You prove air ticket higher than China HSR with same condition, can you ?
With distance 1,700-1,800 km like Hanoi to Hochiminh city in Vietnam , maximum air fare ( not holiday and year end ) : about 65-75 USD by Vietnam Airlines, other budget airlines offer much cheaper air ticket ..
 
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You know nothing about transportation, airplane is a point-to-point kind of thing with higher cost, on the contrary, rail way can have many stop/stations alone the territories, rail way have much bigger effect on economy enhancement than that of airliner.
Don't reply to the ignorant vietnam again, checking his comments, you will find too much ignorant and mistake, For him, only in High-speed rail project there are corruption, accident, and should after major Chinese can affording High-speed rail, and a high-speed rail just serve the people of two destination, he will choosing the luxury ticket of normal rail, he like long trip while with same money can buying second class ticket, and just need 1/3 trip time, that's his vietnamese choice, hehe!
 
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Don't reply to the ignorant vietnam again, checking his comments, you will find too much ignorant and mistake, For him, only in High-speed rail project there are corruption, accident, and should after major Chinese can affording High-speed rail, and a high-speed rail just serve the people of two destination, he will choosing the luxury ticket of normal rail, he like long trip while with same money can buying second class ticket, and just need 1/3 trip time, that's his vietnamese choice, hehe!

There're many ways to lose your budget double fast ... state invested huge amount into the High speed rail without the strict monitor the usage of it is 1 of them ...

High speed rail could reach few stations ( should not too many ) in the effective range of 150-700 km , along high density corridor of developed centres ...

Beside the huge investment in infrastructure, rolling stock ... the fare is too high for a normal office staff to travel very often ...
So your ambition to use that for basic workers to come home deep into the mainland, or reach long-range destination ( ie. 000+ km ) , while keep the competitive price and time saving to air passenger ... is science fiction products !!!

Bed fare - over night sortie ( conventional rail , or about 150-200km/h, money saving ) are suitable for tourists, worker come home ...

Other choice for saving time, long-range, air passenger is the best choice.
 
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1999 article

Corruption brings fear for safety of China's Three Gorges dam
China's biggest and most controversial dam project, the Three Gorges on the Yangzi River, has become the latest focus of a wave of allegations about corrupt officials taking bribes from unqualified contractors - allegations that are raising fears about the safety of the project.
Nearly 100 cases of 'corruption, bribery and embezzlement' related to the project were discovered last year, Beijing revealed yesterday. The 15-year-long programme to build the dam, said the China Daily, was a rare opportunity for the construction business. But it had also become 'a challenge of similar scale for the (public) prosecutors.'

Critics of the huge dam, which will raise the water level in the Three Gorges by 210ft, have warned that any construction defect could have fatal consequences.

Renewed fears about the dam were sparked by the collapse two weeks ago of a bridge upstream from the Three Gorges at Qijiang, on a Yangzi tributary, as a result of suspected faulty construction by a contractor who bribed local officials.

Diagrams in the popular press show how the misalignment of steel pipes and plates in the bridge's suspension system created dangerous fault lines. Local residents claim they knew the bridge was weak, but warning signs were ignored.

A local official has been arrested after allegedly taking a bribe of more than 100,000 renminbi (£7,000) from an unqualified contractor who built the bridge.

Yesterday's report of corruption in the Three Gorges stressed that only 16 out of the 95 cases were related to the actual construction of the dam. Most cases involved officials embezzling funds intended for the resettlement of residents displaced as the dam raises the river's level for 200 miles upstream.

Over a million people will have to move to new towns and villages before their homes are flooded by the A17 billion project, which is aimed partly at providing clean electrical power, replacing old coal-based sources.

The prime minister, Zhu Rongji, sounded a warning note last month - before the bridge disaster - when he visited the dam site, delivering a message that "quality is vital to the project".

Promises of "quality control" by the dam's builders have now appeared next to pictures of grieving Qijiang relatives with portraits of their loved ones and a petition demanding justice.

The bridge collapse comes only months after the failure of dykes on the Yangzi, and rivers in north-east China, during the summer floods. Negligence by local officials was also blamed for these collapses.

Now dubious projects are being investigated up and down the country, with the suggestion that a repeat of the Qijiang disaster could happen anywhere.

Shoddy public works are frightening people near the Yangzi river's Three Gorges dam

John Gittings in Beijing


and 2014 article

Chinese criticise state firm behind Three Gorges dam over graft probe
By Li Hui and Ben Blanchard

BEIJING Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:41am GMT

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1 of 2. The Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River in Yichang, Hubei province is seen in this aerial view taken December 2, 2009.

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(Reuters) - A scathing report on corruption at the company that built China's $59-billion Three Gorges dam, the world's biggest hydropower scheme, has reignited public anger over a project funded through a special levy paid by all citizens.

The report by the ruling Communist Party's anti-graft watchdog last week found that some officials at the Three Gorges Corporation, set up in 1993 to run the scheme, were guilty of nepotism, shady property deals and dodgy bidding procedures.

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Between 1992 and 2009, all citizens had to pay a levy built into power prices across China to channel money to the dam's construction, a project overshadowed by compulsory relocations of residents and environmental concerns.

"The relatives and friends of some leaders interfered with construction projects, certain bidding was conducted secretly ... and some leaders illicitly occupied multiple apartments," the graft watchdog said on its website(中央纪委监察部网站

The Three Gorges Corporation published a statement on its website on Tuesday saying it would look into the issues the probe raised, and strictly punish any corrupt conduct and violations of the law and party discipline.

The accusations - made as part of President Xi Jinping's crackdown on deep-rooted corruption - have spread rapidly across China's popular Twitter-like service Sina Weibo, and some of China's more outspoken newspapers have weighed in too.

Time-Weekly, a newspaper based in southern China's Guangzhou city, this week revealed further details of the graft.

In one case, the newspaper reported, a company bidding for a construction project related to the dam area was told to pay a bribe of one million yuan ($163,200) by members of the hydropower giant's bidding evaluation panel.

"Because of its fully state-owned background ... it was given special 'protection', and for years was practically free of supervision and regulations," the newspaper wrote.

The Southern Metropolitan Daily called in an editorial for the full weight of the law to be applied to a firm that has sucked up so many national resources.

"The entire strength of China converged on building this one massive project," it wrote. "Enormous sums went into it, great powers were bestowed. But the oversight over these powers which should have been there, was not."

On Weibo, the topic ranks among the most widely discussed subjects.

"Did the Three Gorges fund paid by us all on every electricity bill actually go to feed dogs?" wrote one user.

"Why did the Three Gorges Corporation, fed and nurtured by us all, become an 'unifilal son'?" asked another user.

This is not the first time the company - and the project - have come in for criticism.

Late last year, soon after the party sent its graft inspection team into the Three Gorges Corporation, a senior official involved in "follow-up" work on the dam was fired for "suspected serious disciplinary violations", the usual euphemism for corruption.

In 2011, then-premier Wen Jiabao presided over a government meeting on the dam which said that though the scheme did provide benefits, it had created a myriad of urgent problems, from the relocation of more than a million residents to risks of geological disasters.

And back in 2000, six years before the project was complete, authorities busted a ring of officials who siphoned off hundreds of millions of yuan in resettlement funds.

(Editing by Clarence Fernandez)
 
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Don't reply to the ignorant vietnam again, checking his comments, you will find too much ignorant and mistake, For him, only in High-speed rail project there are corruption, accident, and should after major Chinese can affording High-speed rail, and a high-speed rail just serve the people of two destination, he will choosing the luxury ticket of normal rail, he like long trip while with same money can buying second class ticket, and just need 1/3 trip time, that's his vietnamese choice, hehe!
The Vietnamese doesn't know how to build infrastructure and plan big for future preparation on population migration. They are short-mind, so we shouldn't blame them too much. Sometime it's hard to understand these Vietnamese minds. It's like everything they do is about thinking the short-term value. The 3 meals a day, so to speak. That is the difference between us and them. We think of 3 meals a day, PLUS additional income to spend on luxury items while the Vietnamese will be satisfied with 3 meals a day and go to sleep at night. LOL
 
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You don't realize that we are on the same boat - the normal people in a communism country with heavily corruption situation.
We and you should also fight for the fair, avoid any ineffective investments ( especially huge projects ) of the top chief officials for their own interests.
 
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Somebody must live in a dark,cold and tough place for what he can provide is only the negative things. For example, you talk new, he talk old,you talk good he talk bad and feed ppl dark things. Criticize is not a terrible thing but distortion by distortion, you can know what the troll act as. fnck the troll.
I just wonder what a poor and unfortunate life does he live that you can imagine?
The best things to do is ignore it. Please take it my fellow country men.
 
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Somebody must live in a dark,cold and tough place for what he can provide is only the negative things. For example, you talk new, he talk old,you talk good he talk bad and feed ppl dark things. Criticize is not a terrible thing but distortion by distortion, you can know what the troll act as. fnck the troll.
I just wonder what a poor and unfortunate life does he live that you can imagine?
The best things to do is ignore it. Please take it my fellow country men.

I did provide you the real evidences about losses in state invested huge projects in China, didn't I ?
Some guy get the death penalty for his stolen of 2.8 billion USD ( Zhang Shuguang ) from HSR project ...

Is it very normal for hearing above issue in China ?

Big size country, huge project and huge loss of state budget ...
 
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Serious. Don't know why Chinese member even need to respond to poor lowlife viets unless it's to make them look stupid.

Are they really arguing with some Vietnamese here because I put almost all Vietnamese members here on ignore list, lol.
 
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The HSR network is being continually added to::coffee:

Hangzhou-Changsha HSR tracklaying completed

Hangzhou-Changsha HSR: 933km, 350kmph

Construction will complete by the end of May, the whole line is scheduled to open by the end of 2014

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:coffee::D

Beijing-Shenyang HSR to start construction on Match 5

Beijing-Shenyang HSR: 709km, 20 stations, 350kmph

Project will complete on March 4 2017

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:coffee::enjoy:

Hefei-Fuzhou HSR will open in June 2015

Hefei-Fuzhou HSR: 806km, 300kmph

Tracklaying has started in December 2013. Project checking for acceptance is scheduled in June this year and early 2015 (static and dynamic).

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