China warned Japan may intervene militarily if it invades Taiwan

[Leishangthem]

Japan per its Instrument of Surrender is entitled to legally own the four main islands and their associated islets. Beyond that are all illegal possession or illegitimate claims.

In which instrument of surrender? first one or second one? Though by that we can easily say senkaku/Diaoyu is an associated islets of Yonaguni island,right opposite to it and closer to taiwan. Not that the instrument of surrender applies for islands already occupied by Japan before 1895 treaty following the sino japanese war.

Let me give u a bit of advice. The thief always cry thief unto others. My experience has always been 100% whatever someone claims about someone else, it's always a reflection of themselves (or a criticism of their own self). In other words, whatever u write about me, u are actually writing about urself exposing it for all to see!

Since we're on this subject and also a thread about Japan... Don't you find it curious Japanese are such clean neat freaks? In the Bible the killer and murderer Caiphous (or was it Kaiphous) always washes his hands, so he's always germs free, sort to speak. Japanese are such clean phreaks because they have had blood on their hands...

So everytime someone criticizes you or corrects you , they are simply criticizing themselves? How will one improve upon his flaws with such logic?

"legally" under japanese law, not international or chinese law. and this isn't the 1800s, japanese domestics law dont mean shit to china. or would you find it acceptable if my father(who don't legally own your house) "sold" your house to me, by your logic you should move out immediately since the house belongs to me now.

and "historically" yea i already told you it was stolen through war. specifically the first sino-Japanese war as a part of japanese imperial expansion that saw millions murdered. the island were historically used by china long before japan took them in war.

your "legally" and "historically" is one sided and essentially boils down to "might is right but only when the side i like is more powerful"
heck if we go by your argument, legally, in chinese law it belongs to china, and historically we and everyone else admits chinese use through and around the island well before japan ever claimed it.
so japan should stop claiming what is legally and historically chinese.

moreover you state that chinese claims somehow makes it not a fair agent in the SCS. yet you still have not referenced Japan's own claims on both islands it stole from china in war, but also islands russia took from them in war. so which is it? taking land in war is okay or not? from the Japanese perspective? can they at least be consistent? while china has a clear and consistent policy, its land claims are fully based on historical claims, stemming from the RoC(which has nearly the same claims as PRC) and from the Qing dynasty before that. exemption are the lands it no longer claims due to negotiations.

see that? negotiations, yes china has fully settled almost all land its borders though negotiation, except for india and its puppet of bhutan. its as fair as a nation could be about its land claims. japan does not wish to negotiate, they want the whole thing just like india does not wish to negotiate they want the whole thing based on well.... nothing except imperial ambitions. unfortunately for them, this is a china of 2021 not 1895.

and im not sure where you got your information (sounds like they're from a right wing Japanese school), but china did not "donate" any land to anyone. it negotiated borders with pakistan, getting some of its claims and relinquishing other claims, you know, being fair as you alluded to earlier.
it negotiated borders with russia, with each getting about half the claims.

and why the hell do you think china should be generous to japan? japan has never been generous to china, it has always been antagonistic to china. how about japan show good will by giving up the claims to chinese islands and not interfering in the chinese civil war. how about japan clear up its past by not electing officials who supposedly" officially" acknowledge japanese war crime in ww2, yet consistently deny them all the time in public. japanese people today may not have been the ones to commit the crime personally, but they continue to make claims based on those crimes and still makes noises about taking side in a potential taiwan scenario that does not involve them whatsoever unless they choose to be involved. literally talking about supporting one side of a civil war and you you think china(the side they will not be supporting) should be "generous" to them? Do you also remind your robber that you have a cell phone too after they take your wallet?

and lastly. even if china gave up all its disputes with japan and left taiwan alone. japan would STILL be antagonistic to china. Japan is essentially an occupied country, it does what the us dictates as far as foreign policy is concerned. if the us doesn't allow it, Japan will never have good relations with china so long as it still houses us troops and bases. why the hell should china show good will to the dog, when it should really be talking to the owner.

"legally" under japanese law, not international or chinese law. and this isn't the 1800s, japanese domestics law dont mean shit to china. or would you find it acceptable if my father(who don't legally own your house) "sold" your house to me, by your logic you should move out immediately since the house belongs to me now.

Why did Chinese side stroke high level of tensions and caused anti japanese riots when the Japanese gov bought the island from the private owner? Clearly Chinese side cared.

and "historically" yea i already told you it was stolen through war. specifically the first sino-Japanese war as a part of japanese imperial expansion that saw millions murdered. the island were historically used by china long before japan took them in war.

your "legally" and "historically" is one sided and essentially boils down to "might is right but only when the side i like is more powerful"
heck if we go by your argument, legally, in chinese law it belongs to china, and historically we and everyone else admits chinese use through and around the island well before japan ever claimed it.
so japan should stop claiming what is legally and historically chinese.

while china has a clear and consistent policy, its land claims are fully based on historical claims, stemming from the RoC(which has nearly the same claims as PRC) and from the Qing dynasty before that. exemption are the lands it no longer claims due to negotiations.

No,senkaku wasn't stolen through the sino Japanese war, Premier Li Hongzhang of Qing who was a primary representative of Qing gov in the negotiation with Japan,submitted a report on Japan to the Qing government in 1889, before conducting negotiation with Japan, the report was titled You li Riben tu jing,it listed those islands as Japanese territory.The report was submitted in 1889 to the Qing court was approved and published,that was before 1895. This fact refutes any claim that Japan stole the stole the islands from CHINA after the Sino-Japanese war. The Qing gov didn't think those islands were their territory,and it's CPC claim to inherit the Qing gov .So no there's no consistency here. Chinese people got mixed up in their emotional anti-Japanese fever and lost sense about right and wrong.

Japan already controlled the islands before any territorial levy was imposed on China after Sino -Japanese war.

moreover you state that chinese claims somehow makes it not a fair agent in the SCS. yet you still have not referenced Japan's own claims on both islands it stole from china in war, but also islands russia took from them in war. so which is it? taking land in war is okay or not? from the Japanese perspective? can they at least be consistent?

Of course Japan has been demanding Russia to return the islands and didn't sign peace treaty till date,one of the primary reasons why US military is allowed to stay in Japan is because of Russia and their nuclear threat.
The Senkaku isn't occupied by China,but by Japan ,the Kuril islands in question are occupied by Russia, just like Dokdo/Takeshima by Korea, status quo here can't be changed without risking a war.

see that? negotiations, yes china has fully settled almost all land its borders though negotiation, except for india and its puppet of bhutan. its as fair as a nation could be about its land claims. japan does not wish to negotiate, they want the whole thing just like india does not wish to negotiate they want the whole thing based on well.... nothing except imperial ambitions. unfortunately for them, this is a china of 2021 not 1895.

It's ridiculous how you compare the antics of Indian administration that's seeking to protect their political heft against the low IQ unreasonable masses,to Japan which has the exact opposite problem, i.e., explaining any loss of Japanese claimed territory to the high IQ and knowledgable masses who are aware of facts..

You have to realise,the islands has been in Japanese hands before 1895,asking Japan to compromise here is like asking China to compromise the territory they reclaimed many decades or even centuries ago .One has to be realistic in settlement.No Japanese gov would have an answer for the public in case of any major ceding of territory,so it's not politically viable to force Japanese gov to do things where Japanese gov has no room to operate,that will lead to no result in negotiations, Chinese side has to understand that and seek possible areas where negotiations can be done,that's plain old playbook of gov. to gov. negotiation.

and why the hell do you think china should be generous to japan? japan has never been generous to china, it has always been antagonistic to china.

Huh? Japan literally funded the development of China,more than 50-60 %(depending on criteria) of all development aid and loans and tech transfer for core and basic industries necessary for nation-building, was provided by Japan through Japan's Official Development Assistance , US funded like 12 % in comparison ;without Japan ,China wouldn't have been the same,no country has been more pivotal in the development of China than Japan.Japan was the proponent of Chinese inclusion in WTO and also the normalization of relations after the Tiananmen incident,when whole of developed world sanctioned it.
Though rarely shown any signs for gratitude for anything Japan has done, publically,so as to maintain the anti japanese nationalism, but the Chinese gov, in a clandestine manner once acknowledged and Japanese contribution in China's development in 2008.
Even in 2000s,Japan accounted for 60% of all international aid toward China ,Japan only halted the massive aid toward china by 2017.Ofcourse Chinese gov doesn't report about that,average chinese don't know anything bout Japanese contribution .

It's tragic how ungrateful and clueless many Chinese and Koreans are toward the assistance that almost single-handedly funded their development,all these so politicians can earn points on anti japanese nationalism.

how about japan clear up its past by not electing officials who supposedly" officially" acknowledge japanese war crime in ww2, yet consistently deny them all the time in public. japanese people today may not have been the ones to commit the crime personally, but they continue to make claims based on those crimes and still makes noises about taking side in a potential taiwan scenario that does not involve them whatsoever unless they choose to be involved.

First of all,Japanese side made more than 30 official apologies for whatever wrong they committed. You are simply being unreasonable if you're still hellbent on ignoring that;no person will keep apologizing to you for your incessant demand for apologies even after many apologies has been given,eventually he will tell u go fck yourself.

You can't make shit up from everything you can conjure ,from state-sponsored propaganda mixed among some reality and ask people to apologize over everything ,incessantly. Those people weren't even born back then, has no onus to apologise,their forefathers also suffered and they also paid heavy reparation fees in aid and everything along with 30+ apologies. You're being like the satisfiable evil mother in law in chinese dramaa.

and lastly. even if china gave up all its disputes with japan and left taiwan alone. japan would STILL be antagonistic to china. Japan is essentially an occupied country, it does what the us dictates as far as foreign policy is concerned. if the us doesn't allow it, Japan will never have good relations with china so long as it still houses us troops and bases. why the hell should china show good will to the dog, when it should really be talking to the owner.

Here's the grand misconception that Japan is somehow occupied by the US,no Japan is simply looking out for their geopolitical necessities. Japan wasn't so pro US even in 90s they were infact competitors, Japan only signed the logistical support agreement with US after Chinese missiles dropped near Japanese Islands east of Taiwan in late 2000s. Every time China antagonize Japan, US signs a new military agreement with them. C

Is it Japanese people that are attacking ,killing and maiming Chinese people in their land as I type? Is it Japan that kidnapped Chinese CFO and sanctioned Chinese firms involving Semis to solar energy ,to prevent its rise? Is it Japan that's funding 300 m USD to bad mouth and slander China in every nook and corner of the world? Is it Japan that's been trying to military encircle China and topple gov that are pro china?
You are like playing right into the hands of your real and sole arch nemesis by diverting your attention and aggression against a peaceful neighboring nation that is in no way harming China or seeking to prevent it's normal rise.See current reality.


Again ,if china wasn't so antagonistic toward Japan ,Japan wouldn't have bothered what happens between Taiwan -China.

Japan had at least 3-4 China friendly PM ,in past 2-3 decades,one lasted only few months in 2010s, China has always managed to successfully antagonize Japan into replacing any China friendly gov by a more hardline one . How long will China carry this political autistic attitude toward Japan I wonder.

 

[Zsari]

In which instrument of surrender? first one or second one? Though by that we can easily say senkaku/Diaoyu is an associated islets of Yonaguni island, right opposite to it and closer to taiwan. Not that the instrument of surrender applies for islands already occupied by Japan before 1895 treaty following the sino japanese war.

Diaoyu is on the Asian continental plate whereas Yonaguni is not. And no, instrument of surrender applies to all territories taken by Japan including Okinawa, which Yonaguni is a part of. So neither are Japanese territories.

 

[Leishangthem]

Diaoyu is on the Asian continental plate whereas Yonaguni is not. And no, instrument of surrender applies to all territories taken by Japan including Okinawa, which Yonaguni is a part of. So neither are Japanese territories.

Again, which instrument of surrender are you talking about first one or the second one?There's nothing like that in the documents like you are claiming .

You went from taiwan to diaoyu to now okinawa?

 

[Zsari]

Again, which instrument of surrender are you talking about first one or the second one?There's nothing like that in the documents like you are claiming .

You went from taiwan to diaoyu to now okinawa?

Our Documents - Transcript of Surrender of Japan (1945)

"Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions set forth in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain on 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently adhered to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers."

Potsdam Declaration | Birth of the Constitution of Japan (ndl.go.jp)

"The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine."

 

[Leishangthem]

Our Documents - Transcript of Surrender of Japan (1945)

"Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions set forth in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain on 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently adhered to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers."

Potsdam Declaration | Birth of the Constitution of Japan (ndl.go.jp)

"The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine."

The Transcript of surrender and the Cairo declaration are different,you can't go making stuff about "Japan per its Instrument of Surrender is entitled to legally own the four main islands and their associated islets " that's false,and there's "....and such minor islands as we determine. " senkaku is such minor islands.

And the 1943—Cairo Declaration Strips Japan of Pacific Islands Seized or Occupied *Since First World War.
While the Cairo Declaration stated the “purpose” of the signatories that “all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and the Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China,”

There was no mention of returning senkaku to china ,since it was perceived that senkaku was part of japan before ww1.It was part of Japan before 1895.

 

[Daniel808]

These are the ones closest to the rogue province (closest Island is 60 KM away). I don't agree with the term "disputed". By any definition, these Islands belong to China.

A group of disputed islands, Uotsuri island (top), Minamikojima (bottom) and Kitakojima, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China is seen in the East China Sea, in this photo taken by Kyodo in Sep. 2012. Photo: Reuters/Kyodo

Indeed my friend..

Before Ryukyu kingdom being annexed by japanese (1879). Ryukyu kingdom acknowledge that Diayou islands is Chinese Territory, their Ally.

When japan annexed Ryukyu kingdom, they didn't dare to touch Diayou islands. Because they don't want to provoke Chinese Empire that still strong at that time even in declining state.

Only in 1895, in the middle of First Sino-Japanese war japan annexed Diayou islands from China.

In 1945, one part of instrument in The Surrender of Japan (1945) is their territory only limited to pre-1895 border. So according to the treaty, they need to return Diayou islands to China.


But What I found more interesting is the spirit of millions Ryukyuan people is still alive today, even their country already annexed by japan more than 100 years ago

https://twitter.com/x/status/1463029182674337800

https://twitter.com/x/status/1452530323825180680

 

[Zsari]

The Transcript of surrender and the Cairo declaration are different,you can't go making stuff about "Japan per its Instrument of Surrender is entitled to legally own the four main islands and their associated islets " that's false,and there's "....and such minor islands as we determine. " senkaku is such minor islands.

And the 1943—Cairo Declaration Strips Japan of Pacific Islands Seized or Occupied *Since First World War.
While the Cairo Declaration stated the “purpose” of the signatories that “all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and the Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China,”

There was no mention of returning senkaku to china ,since it was perceived that senkaku was part of japan before ww1.It was part of Japan before 1895.

Okinawa is no minor island, nor has it been determined by the alliance as Japanese territory as it was put under international trusteeship. US alone is not "we".

Diaoyu is an associate island of Taiwan. It needs not be specified just as the return of Manchuria also included dozens of associated islands that are not specified in the declaration. The entire island of Taiwan was under Japanese occupation before WWI and Diaoyu island was under the administration of Taiwan not Okinawa under Japanese rule.

Beyond that, the Potsdam declaration succeeds the Cairo declaration, and it further limits Japanese legal possession to its four main islands.

 

[applesauce]

Why did Chinese side stroke high level of tensions and caused anti japanese riots when the Japanese gov bought the island from the private owner? Clearly Chinese side cared.

"scared"? you got a funny idea of scared.
Scared is when Modi can't even mention china by name when the border conflict happened.
calling japan out and daring to have high tensions when the japanese government is pulling funny shit is the opposite of scared.

No,senkaku wasn't stolen through the sino Japanese war, Premier Li Hongzhang of Qing who was a primary representative of Qing gov in the negotiation with Japan,submitted a report on Japan to the Qing government in 1889, before conducting negotiation with Japan, the report was titled You li Riben tu jing,it listed those islands as Japanese territory.The report was submitted in 1889 to the Qing court was approved and published,that was before 1895. This fact refutes any claim that Japan stole the stole the islands from CHINA after the Sino-Japanese war. The Qing gov didn't think those islands were their territory,and it's CPC claim to inherit the Qing gov .So no there's no consistency here. Chinese people got mixed up in their emotional anti-Japanese fever and lost sense about right and wrong. View attachment 796121

Japan already controlled the islands before any territorial levy was imposed on China after Sino -Japanese war.

You literally pulled that from spf.org, ran by a bunch of japanese for the expressed purpose of promoting japan's claims.
and if you want to compare maps, here one from japan in 1786 showing the islands in Qing colors clearly marking that they belong to Qing china.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WzN3JMZpmGA/TJoPQofRCgI/AAAAAAAAAyI/o6YfxRSG6Do/s1600/1786%E5%B9%B4%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%BE%80%E7%90%89%E7%90%83%E6%B5%B7%E8%B7%AF%E5%9B%BE2.jpg

Japan occupied the island during the war and simply kept it, they took taiwan in the same war. Late Qing was a falling power that can't keep track of its borders from the imperial powers around it.

Of course Japan has been demanding Russia to return the islands and didn't sign peace treaty till date,one of the primary reasons why US military is allowed to stay in Japan is because of Russia and their nuclear threat.
The Senkaku isn't occupied by China,but by Japan ,the Kuril islands in question are occupied by Russia, just like Dokdo/Takeshima by Korea, status quo here can't be changed without risking a war.

sure it can be without war.
Japan used to arrest chinese fishermen in the area around DiaoYutai islands adn charge them under japanese law
then they stopped charging them as chinese naval power grew and just sent them back to china.
Now they can't even stop the chinese fishermen as there are now more chinese patrol than japanese ones.

western media will still call it "japanese controlled islands" but in the real world, the facts on the ground is that china effectively controls them now.

It's ridiculous how you compare the antics of Indian administration that's seeking to protect their political heft against the low IQ unreasonable masses,to Japan which has the exact opposite problem, i.e., explaining any loss of Japanese claimed territory to the high IQ and knowledgable masses who are aware of facts..

i don't care why they do what they do, but the effects are the same, india refuses to negotiate in faith, Japan also refuses to negotiate in faith. both wants to keep stolen lands, and in the case of india, land it never even controlled ever that even the then government(the british government) now say was never theirs to take in the first place.

You have to realise,the islands has been in Japanese hands before 1895,asking Japan to compromise here is like asking China to compromise the territory they reclaimed many decades or even centuries ago .One has to be realistic in settlement.No Japanese gov would have an answer for the public in case of any major ceding of territory,so it's not politically viable to force Japanese gov to do things where Japanese gov has no room to operate,that will lead to no result in negotiations, Chinese side has to understand that and seek possible areas where negotiations can be done,that's plain old playbook of gov. to gov. negotiation.

they have not been in japanese hands before 1895. Japan literally only incorporated the islands into Japanese ruled Okinawa in 1895, right in the middle of the first sino Japanese war when Qing china would be too weak to do anything about it.
modern china is very realistic about settlement. the lands belong to china and frankly, china has pretty much gotten it back, with the Japanese now too scared to try and arresting any chinese fishermen there.Chian does not care what the Japanese government can or cannot do regarding their population, they can stuff it for all that china cares about them.

Huh? Japan literally funded the development of China,more than 50-60 %(depending on criteria) of all development aid and loans and tech transfer for core and basic industries necessary for nation-building, was provided by Japan through Japan's Official Development Assistance , US funded like 12 % in comparison ;without Japan ,China wouldn't have been the same,no country has been more pivotal in the development of China than Japan.Japan was the proponent of Chinese inclusion in WTO and also the normalization of relations after the Tiananmen incident,when whole of developed world sanctioned it.

they were mostly loans, but it is acknowledged that Japan did play a part. that said, vast majority of chinese development money in the early days were from overseas chinese. and one does not give up territory for some loans.
additionally Japan didn't specifically lobby for china to join the WTO. it lobbied, along with the EU and the US that china make various reforms before it joins, this is an obstacle not a help. and normalization of relations are not because of japan. you got the Dog and owner relationship with the US backwards. Relations warmed because of the us war on terror in 2001 and its this warming of relations between us and china that had the follow on effect with the EU then japan.

Though rarely shown any signs for gratitude for anything Japan has done, publically,so as to maintain the anti japanese nationalism, but the Chinese gov, in a clandestine manner once acknowledged and Japanese contribution in China's development in 2008.
Even in 2000s,Japan accounted for 60% of all international aid toward China ,Japan only halted the massive aid toward china by 2017.Ofcourse Chinese gov doesn't report about that,average chinese don't know anything bout Japanese contribution .

Japanese "aid" to china are practically all in the forms of low interest loans. not free money.

It's tragic how ungrateful and clueless many Chinese and Koreans are toward the assistance that almost single-handedly funded their development,all these so politicians can earn points on anti japanese nationalism.

again, most chinese development money came in the form of investments from overseas chinese and what are effectively chinese lands of macao, taiwan and especially hong kong.
this is of course due to the fact that the chinese had the perfect balance of low wage, good education and infrastructure.
single handedly my ***,/ is this what they teach in Japanese school? that japan "single handedly" allowed the development of korea and china? lol

First of all,Japanese side made more than 30 official apologies for whatever wrong they committed. You are simply being unreasonable if you're still hellbent on ignoring that;no person will keep apologizing to you for your incessant demand for apologies even after many apologies has been given,eventually he will tell u go fck yourself.

You can't make shit up from everything you can conjure ,from state-sponsored propaganda mixed among some reality and ask people to apologize over everything ,incessantly. Those people weren't even born back then, has no onus to apologise,their forefathers also suffered and they also paid heavy reparation fees in aid and everything along with 30+ apologies. You're being like the satisfiable evil mother in law in chinese dramaa.

again, i had already said they Japan did "officially" recognize its crimes.
literally nobody disagrees with you there.
but you know what the issue is?

the japanese keep voting in people like Shintaro Ishihara, the same guy that wanted to buy the diaoyutai island and sparking the tensions with china.
here a quote from him;
referring to the rape of Nanjing, " People say that the Japanese made a holocaust but that is not true. It is a story made up by the Chinese. It has tarnished the image of Japan, but it is a lie."

did you know that holocaust denial in germany is an actual crime? meanwhile in japan denying crime has no consequences whatsoever and might even lead to a promotion.
or how about Abe shinzo, whose grandfather was a literal war criminal then he himself denies the sex slaves in ww2 were a thing, yet is able to become the prime minister of japan.

does that sound sincere? that actual leaders of japan is going on actual interviews denying japan's crime and you expect the chinese and the korean to not get mad?
they're free to tell everyone to "go fck yourself", but everyone else is free to do the same to japan.

Here's the grand misconception that Japan is somehow occupied by the US,no Japan is simply looking out for their geopolitical necessities. Japan wasn't so pro US even in 90s they were infact competitors, Japan only signed the logistical support agreement with US after Chinese missiles dropped near Japanese Islands east of Taiwan in late 2000s. Every time China antagonize Japan, US signs a new military agreement with them. C

oh please, the Japanese constitution is literally written by americans, and to this day has one of the biggest american overseas forces stationed there. they were forced by the US to sign the plaza accords which started their downfall as far as economy is concerned. jaan was and will always be pro-us so long as the us occupies it. Japan literally has no foreign policy outside of what the us allow it.

Is it Japanese people that are attacking ,killing and maiming Chinese people in their land as I type? Is it Japan that kidnapped Chinese CFO and sanctioned Chinese firms involving Semis to solar energy ,to prevent its rise? Is it Japan that's funding 300 m USD to bad mouth and slander China in every nook and corner of the world? Is it Japan that's been trying to military encircle China and topple gov that are pro china?
You are like playing right into the hands of your real and sole arch nemesis by diverting your attention and aggression against a peaceful neighboring nation that is in no way harming China or seeking to prevent it's normal rise.See current reality.

its Japan that is claiming chinese islands, its Japan that continues to elect leaders to deny its past crimes, its Japan that helps the us militarily encircle china, its Japan that lead the charge when the us calls for sanctions on the likes of huawei(we still haven't gotten any evidence of the spying the us alleges that they do).

Again ,if china wasn't so antagonistic toward Japan ,Japan wouldn't have bothered what happens between Taiwan -China.

Japan will be bothered no matter what because japan is told by the us to be bothered.

and you clearly lay all the blame for the relationship on china's side. yet i have shown above that japan's elected leaders continue to deny its crimes, continue to claim chinese lands and now they want to stick their nose into chinese civil affairs. its clear the relationship is at least two way.

Japan had at least 3-4 China friendly PM ,in past 2-3 decades,one lasted only few months in 2010s, China has always managed to successfully antagonize Japan into replacing any China friendly gov by a more hardline one . How long will China carry this political autistic attitude toward Japan I wonder.

Japan is welcome to join any taiwan war if they want, china will settle the old scores with them then.

 

[Suika]

For size and geographical position, it's natural for China to achieve a leading role for Asia. But not their form of givernment and attitude. So we're stuck with surrounding countries trying to balance against China by means deepening defense relations among each other and keeping a welcoming posture for the US.

The Senkaku islands are Japan's. If China worries so much about lost territory, they should go after outer Manchuria. The Senkaku islands were at most just navigational features for Chinese boats in old terms. Outer Manchuria has land wete people formed live, grow up, form settlements. The age of old empires ended with much fire and destruction that resulted in the great degree of changes to territory boundaries. Out of that carnage, Japan and other European powers emerged much smaller. China on the other hand got out of it quite well. They should be content with what they already got instead of revisiting the old stakes of using threat of force to change territory. They are not entitled to more. Do us all (inluding yourself China) a favor and take a chill pill China... Japan left the Senkaku islands dormant until Chinese boats started violating the territorial waters around them starting in 2008. Due to that, Japan took the posture to nationalize the islands in 2012. If China left the islands alone, they still be in the dormant status and not nationalized.

 

[bilibili]

There r still million Japanese descent living in Taiwan after World War II， not been completely driven back to Japan，this is the main reason why Taiwan has been split，and main DPP composition is Japanese descent in Taiwan.

 

[Leishangthem]

Okinawa is no minor island, nor has it been determined by the alliance as Japanese territory as it was put under international trusteeship. US alone is not "we".

Diaoyu is an associate island of Taiwan. It needs not to be specified just as the return of Manchuria also included dozens of associated islands that are not specified in the declaration. The entire island of Taiwan was under Japanese occupation before WWI and Diaoyu island was under the administration of Taiwan not Okinawa under Japanese rule.

Beyond that, the Potsdam declaration succeeds the Cairo declaration, and it further limits Japanese legal possession to its four main islands.

? nobody's talking about Okinawa here, Okinawa has been part of Japan way way before first world war,since Tokugawa era,Okinawa isn't up for debate.It's been Japanese territory before US was even formed.

Again you are spinning the Cairo declaration,it mentions four main islands and "minor islands as they determine",nobody had the time and resources to debate on every piece of rocks at that point of time.And the Cairo declaration was about the region seized by Japan during WWI era .Japan has way more right on Okinawa than China has on Tibet if we compare.

The boundary of the province of Taiwan is drawn in the General Map of Taiwan Province in the Book of Taiwan Province. Based on this map, the Boundary Map of Taiwan Province in the government (published in 1728).Doesn't include Senkaku.

The Map of Taiwan Province in the Book of Great Qing does not show the Senkaku Islands,the the Book of Great Qing, published in 1744 (the 9th year of Qianlong).

 

[Zsari]

? nobody's talking about Okinawa here, Okinawa has been part of Japan way way before first world war,since Tokugawa era,Okinawa isn't up for debate.It's been Japanese territory before US was even formed.

Again you are spinning the Ciro declaration,it mentions four main islands and "minor islands as they determine",nobody had the time and resources to debate on every piece of rocks at that point of time.And the Cairo declaration was about the region seized by Japan during WWI era .Japan has way more right on Okinawa than China has on Tibet if we compare.

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The boundary of the province of Taiwan is drawn in the General Map of Taiwan Province in the Book of Taiwan Province. Based on this map, the Boundary Map of Taiwan Province in the government (published in 1728).Doesn't include Senkaku.

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The Map of Taiwan Province in the Book of Great Qing does not show the Senkaku Islands,the the Book of Great Qing, published in 1744 (the 9th year of Qianlong).

The legal ownership of Okinawa is critical when it comes to settling the dispute of the Diaoyu island as without Okinawa, Japanese claim over Diaoyu would be beyond far-fetched. It is a historic fact that Okinawa was put under international trusteeship, which clearly excludes it from Japanese sovereignty set forth under the Potsdam declaration. And according to UN charter on self-determination, colonies under international trusteeship should be granted an opportunity for independence. To claim Diaoyu island that's even further away from Okinawa as one of these undeclare minor island is simply fantasy, not to mention "as we determine" means exactly that, it needs to be spelled out. And no, don't even compare them to Tibet, as Tibet was never under international trusteeship.

Ming Dynasty map of 1561 with the Diaoyu island marked.

 

[Leishangthem]

"scared"? you got a funny idea of scared.
Scared is when Modi can't even mention china by name when the border conflict happened.
calling japan out and daring to have high tensions when the japanese government is pulling funny shit is the opposite of scared.


You literally pulled that from spf.org, ran by a bunch of japanese for the expressed purpose of promoting japan's claims.
and if you want to compare maps, here one from japan in 1786 showing the islands in Qing colors clearly marking that they belong to Qing china.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WzN3JMZpmGA/TJoPQofRCgI/AAAAAAAAAyI/o6YfxRSG6Do/s1600/1786%E5%B9%B4%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%BE%80%E7%90%89%E7%90%83%E6%B5%B7%E8%B7%AF%E5%9B%BE2.jpg

Japan occupied the island during the war and simply kept it, they took taiwan in the same war. Late Qing was a falling power that can't keep track of its borders from the imperial powers around it.




sure it can be without war.
Japan used to arrest chinese fishermen in the area around DiaoYutai islands adn charge them under japanese law
then they stopped charging them as chinese naval power grew and just sent them back to china.
Now they can't even stop the chinese fishermen as there are now more chinese patrol than japanese ones.

western media will still call it "japanese controlled islands" but in the real world, the facts on the ground is that china effectively controls them now.



i don't care why they do what they do, but the effects are the same, india refuses to negotiate in faith, Japan also refuses to negotiate in faith. both wants to keep stolen lands, and in the case of india, land it never even controlled ever that even the then government(the british government) now say was never theirs to take in the first place.


they have not been in japanese hands before 1895. Japan literally only incorporated the islands into Japanese ruled Okinawa in 1895, right in the middle of the first sino Japanese war when Qing china would be too weak to do anything about it.
modern china is very realistic about settlement. the lands belong to china and frankly, china has pretty much gotten it back, with the Japanese now too scared to try and arresting any chinese fishermen there.Chian does not care what the Japanese government can or cannot do regarding their population, they can stuff it for all that china cares about them.


they were mostly loans, but it is acknowledged that Japan did play a part. that said, vast majority of chinese development money in the early days were from overseas chinese. and one does not give up territory for some loans.
additionally Japan didn't specifically lobby for china to join the WTO. it lobbied, along with the EU and the US that china make various reforms before it joins, this is an obstacle not a help. and normalization of relations are not because of japan. you got the Dog and owner relationship with the US backwards. Relations warmed because of the us war on terror in 2001 and its this warming of relations between us and china that had the follow on effect with the EU then japan.


Japanese "aid" to china are practically all in the forms of low interest loans. not free money.


again, most chinese development money came in the form of investments from overseas chinese and what are effectively chinese lands of macao, taiwan and especially hong kong.
this is of course due to the fact that the chinese had the perfect balance of low wage, good education and infrastructure.
single handedly my ***,/ is this what they teach in Japanese school? that japan "single handedly" allowed the development of korea and china? lol


again, i had already said they Japan did "officially" recognize its crimes.
literally nobody disagrees with you there.
but you know what the issue is?

the japanese keep voting in people like Shintaro Ishihara, the same guy that wanted to buy the diaoyutai island and sparking the tensions with china.
here a quote from him;
referring to the rape of Nanjing, " People say that the Japanese made a holocaust but that is not true. It is a story made up by the Chinese. It has tarnished the image of Japan, but it is a lie."

did you know that holocaust denial in germany is an actual crime? meanwhile in japan denying crime has no consequences whatsoever and might even lead to a promotion.
or how about Abe shinzo, whose grandfather was a literal war criminal then he himself denies the sex slaves in ww2 were a thing, yet is able to become the prime minister of japan.

does that sound sincere? that actual leaders of japan is going on actual interviews denying japan's crime and you expect the chinese and the korean to not get mad?
they're free to tell everyone to "go fck yourself", but everyone else is free to do the same to japan.



oh please, the Japanese constitution is literally written by americans, and to this day has one of the biggest american overseas forces stationed there. they were forced by the US to sign the plaza accords which started their downfall as far as economy is concerned. jaan was and will always be pro-us so long as the us occupies it. Japan literally has no foreign policy outside of what the us allow it.


its Japan that is claiming chinese islands, its Japan that continues to elect leaders to deny its past crimes, its Japan that helps the us militarily encircle china, its Japan that lead the charge when the us calls for sanctions on the likes of huawei(we still haven't gotten any evidence of the spying the us alleges that they do).


Japan will be bothered no matter what because japan is told by the us to be bothered.

and you clearly lay all the blame for the relationship on china's side. yet i have shown above that japan's elected leaders continue to deny its crimes, continue to claim chinese lands and now they want to stick their nose into chinese civil affairs. its clear the relationship is at least two way.



Japan is welcome to join any taiwan war if they want, china will settle the old scores with them then.

"scared"? you got a funny idea of scared.
Scared is when Modi can't even mention china by name when the border conflict happened.
calling japan out and daring to have high tensions when the japanese government is pulling funny shit is the opposite of scared.


You literally pulled that from spf.org, ran by a bunch of japanese for the expressed purpose of promoting japan's claims.
and if you want to compare maps, here one from japan in 1786 showing the islands in Qing colors clearly marking that they belong to Qing china.

Atleast read carefully before you start making claims,I said " cared" not "scared".

You literally pulled that from spf.org, ran by a bunch of japanese for the expressed purpose of promoting japan's claims.
and if you want to compare maps, here one from japan in 1786 showing the islands in Qing colors clearly marking that they belong to Qing china.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WzN3JMZpmGA/TJoPQofRCgI/AAAAAAAAAyI/o6YfxRSG6Do/s1600/1786%E5%B9%B4%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%BE%80%E7%90%89%E7%90%83%E6%B5%B7%E8%B7%AF%E5%9B%BE2.jpg

Japan occupied the island during the war and simply kept it, they took taiwan in the same war. Late Qing was a falling power that can't keep track of its borders from the imperial powers around it.

Your attempt to brush aside facts by simply telling that it was posted by " x y...z" is childish . The map is simply a xerox copy of what's in the actual book You li Riben tu jing. This isn't someting refutable and made up by Japanese.


Way more trustworthy because they always operate with receipt,unlike emotional nationalist from Korea and China that can't confront facts and start throwing emotional tantrums even confronted with facts.Because their rhetoric is mostly based on the sentiment of anti Japanese,it's based on tv drama,movies,and simple nationalistic slogans.

sure it can be without war.
Japan used to arrest chinese fishermen in the area around DiaoYutai islands adn charge them under japanese law
then they stopped charging them as chinese naval power grew and just sent them back to china.
Now they can't even stop the chinese fishermen as there are now more chinese patrol than japanese ones.

western media will still call it "japanese controlled islands" but in the real world, the facts on the ground is that china effectively controls them now.

Japan arrested the fisherman because he was drunk and collided with coast guard,that's the protocol,unless your under the impression that being drunk and colliding with coastguard ships are normal.

Senkaku is controlled by Japan,China at times sends some ships to sail near it when it want to be seen as tough and try to create drama over dospleasure Japan,which is vain,threatening Japan never worked ,it might work against asean not Japan.China should stop doing stuff which are vain.

i don't care why they do what they do, but the effects are the same, india refuses to negotiate in faith, Japan also refuses to negotiate in faith. both wants to keep stolen lands, and in the case of india, land it never even controlled ever that even the then government(the british government) now say was never theirs to take in the first place.

they have not been in japanese hands before 1895. Japan literally only incorporated the islands into Japanese ruled Okinawa in 1895, right in the middle of the first sino Japanese war when Qing china would be too weak to do anything about it.
modern china is very realistic about settlement. the lands belong to china and frankly, china has pretty much gotten it back, with the Japanese now too scared to try and arresting any chinese fishermen there.Chian does not care what the Japanese government can or cannot do regarding their population, they can stuff it for all that china cares about them.

I posted many records from Qing Gov,and taiwan admin about their territory before 1895,they didn't include Senkaku.Fu Yunlong one of the prominent historian of Qing also clearly recoded Senkaku as outside Qing territory.This is his work,he colleted and compiled Qing official documents into a book proving beyond doubt that Qing gov regarded Senkaku as part of Japan and okinawa or atleast nomas land.

In 1885, way before sino -japanese war, Japan launched an official survey of the Senkakus, and established terra nullius under international law ,if any nation had a legal (and historical) claim on the islands, it was Japan, for it had annexed the Ryukyu Kingdom and had thus established legitimate prior occupation and effective control over the islands.

they were mostly loans, but it is acknowledged that Japan did play a part. that said, vast majority of chinese development money in the early days were from overseas chinese. and one does not give up territory for some loans.
additionally Japan didn't specifically lobby for china to join the WTO. it lobbied, along with the EU and the US that china make various reforms before it joins, this is an obstacle not a help. and normalization of relations are not because of japan. you got the Dog and owner relationship with the US backwards. Relations warmed because of the us war on terror in 2001 and its this warming of relations between us and china that had the follow on effect with the EU then japan.

Such an ungrateful attitude,the so called loans are Official Developmental Assistance (ODA) is defined as government aid designed to promote the economic development and welfare of developing countries.
Japan could have invested the huge amount in much better stuff,Japan is the single largest source of developmental funds(50-60%),tech and expertise,the Singapore of back then wasn't the Singapore of now, they were themselves developing with Japanese investment. The hk was still a British colony,with limited technology and funds. They were also important and the secondary and tertiary factors .Nothing like sovereign Japan with huge swaths of tech expertise and funds . It wouldn't have been the same without the 50-60% of the total development funds that the gov received from Japan alone.

Japanese "aid" to china are practically all in the forms of low interest loans. not free money

again, most chinese development money came in the form of investments from overseas chinese and what are effectively chinese lands of macao, taiwan and especially hong kong.
this is of course due to the fact that the chinese had the perfect balance of low wage, good education and infrastructure.
single handedly my ***,/ is this what they teach in Japanese school? that japan "single handedly" allowed the development of korea and china? lol

The share of Japan’s ODA in the total development aid funds received by China from DAC countries has been consistently high: starting at 60% in 1979, peaking at 80% in 1982, and in 2005 toward 61%. When I said 60% it was understatement.
I can write pages and pages of the tech,training ,funds and aids by Japan to China. This is probably the biggest nation building aid by a nation toward another nation in human history.
China also used the aid funds for nuclear development,aid policy in Africa and Asia and showed rarely any sign of gratitude,under official anti japanese rhetoric.If there was a country that china owed for their development it's Japan.

again, i had already said they Japan did "officially" recognize its crimes.
literally nobody disagrees with you there.
but you know what the issue is?

the japanese keep voting in people like Shintaro Ishihara, the same guy that wanted to buy the diaoyutai island and sparking the tensions with china.

are you for real? you expect each and every person in 120 million nation to think and act the same? Japan is a free-thinking democracy ,the Japanese war crime denial camp and the opposition ,all stem from Japanese people ,Korean and chinese nationalist took the ideas and materials from Japanese apologist and turned them into their own campaign work,Korea got the 100k comfort woman issue from Japanese conspiracy among apologist and a faked news report .
Much of the source for Chinese claims on senkaku is also procured from Japanese writer's works.

Atleast Japanese gov bought the island to prevent the hyper right-winged guy Ishihara and China in response instaged anti Japanese riot.

here a quote from him;
referring to the rape of Nanjing, " People say that the Japanese made a holocaust but that is not true. It is a story made up by the Chinese. It has tarnished the image of Japan, but it is a lie."

did you know that holocaust denial in germany is an actual crime? meanwhile in japan denying crime has no consequences whatsoever and might even lead to a promotion.

I'm not a proponent of Japan in the Nanking incident,but do you know that Mao himself never mentioned it once in his life? do you seriously believe if such a massive incident occurred at the scale it's reported now, such is possible?
Mao actually wrote in “On Protracted War.” telling Japanese committed a strategic blunder, they surrounded many Chinese but killed few.
You think any French leader would say that about nazi? But the founding father of the People's Republic of China,said that.

That's because it's another case of Mainstream media atrocity like we see in xinjiang.

The issue was manufactured by the western trio of Rabe-Timperley-Bates in collaboration with KMT propaganda bureau,to create consent for western involvement,by the anti asia,pro west kmt leader Chiang kai sek.Japan went to war with every pro west puppet in asia and supported pan asian leader including wang jinwei and sun yatsen in China.
But China /Korea which read history through western lens and wanted a scapegoat for nationalism against the backdrop of internal instability in 70-80s needed a boogey man,hence China created an issue out of nanking in 1985 and Korea too something similar around that time .

did you know that holocaust denial in germany is an actual crime? meanwhile in japan denying crime has no consequences whatsoever and might even lead to a promotion.

Why you single out crime by Japan by using Germany? what happens when American,British or the DUtch deny their crimes?
That's your nitpicking excuse.

Also the fact that you compare Imperial Japan who's grand official ideology was pan asia prosperity sphere free from western colonialism to the Aryan supremacist Nazi that seek to genocide jews and create class of people beneath their favoured stock.
Doing so you are only backing the propaganda of White/West in the invasion of the Asia. We have never recovered from western/white colonialism due to asian nations selectively adopting western propaganda for war justification and vilification of yellow Japanese ,who rose to liberate asia and made a stand against western colonialism.

or how about Abe shinzo, whose grandfather was a literal war criminal then he himself denies the sex slaves in ww2 were a thing, yet is able to become the prime minister of japan.

Do you realise the tokyo trials was a farce staged by the victors to humiliate the losers? It was never about justice ,right or wrong.

Otherwise people from both side of the war would have been indicted,instead of just some Japanese offcial,for apparently daring to wage war against the US .Most of actually unlawful personnels has already been served justice by IJA .

And Chinese people are blindly accepting that without any deep thinking. But that's how it's in reality,simply because a western circus of war vindication court made people as war criminal. Why don't cHINA accept Hague tribunal with that logic? In hague at least china was allowed to represent themselves instead of being levied charges unilaterally.

Japan will be bothered no matter what because japan is told by the us to be bothered.

and you clearly lay all the blame for the relationship on china's side. yet i have shown above that japan's elected leaders continue to deny its crimes, continue to claim chinese lands and now they want to stick their nose into chinese civil affairs. its clear the relationship is at least two way.

Since Japan is now dependent on US for security they have no option but to back US in their policies,that's just geopolitics.

You know average Japanese thinks more lowly of Americans than Chinese does,Chinese puts US in more high pedestal than Japanese and China still struggling trying to create consent in confronting the tribe of west ,to stop brain drain,money transfer,outbound education and tourism . Japan is tougher to negotiate deals than with China according to US officials;,they re more traditional and confident than chinese naturally. They act pro US in geopolitics only for their own interest.Some do get mislead my western MSM but that's few.

Japan is welcome to join any taiwan war if they want, china will settle the old scores with them then.

how childish,like a 12 years old.

 

[Leishangthem]

The legal ownership of Okinawa is critical when it comes to settling the dispute of the Diaoyu island as without Okinawa, Japanese claim over Diaoyu would be beyond far-fetched. It is a historic fact that Okinawa was put under international trusteeship, which clearly excludes it from Japanese sovereignty set forth under the Potsdam declaration. And according to UN charter on self-determination, colonies under international trusteeship should be granted an opportunity for independence. To claim Diaoyu island that's even further away from Okinawa as one of these undeclare minor island is simply fantasy, not to mention "as we determine" means exactly that, it needs to be spelled out. And no, don't even compare them to Tibet, as Tibet was never under international trusteeship.

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Ming Dynasty map of 1561 with the Diaoyu island marked.

It is a historic fact that Okinawa was put under international trusteeship, which clearly excludes it from Japanese sovereignty set forth under the Potsdam declaration. And according to UN charter on self-determination, colonies under international trusteeship should be granted an opportunity for independence.

US captured okinawa from Japan and returned it to Japan,it doesn't make any sense for chinese side to speak on behalf of the US using america's own edict.US took it and it's up to US to return it,Japan was rightful owner of okinawa since tokugawa era,before US was established.A Japanese/Ryukan inhabited island province historically belonging to Japan since Tokugawa era isn't something for Han Chinese to dream of having.

On September 7, 1945, by the signature of the Instrument of Surrender in the Ryukyu islands, the occupational administration by the US Military Government of the Ryukyu Islands.

In August 1950, the US Military Government established the island governments of Amami, Okinawa, Miyako and Yaeyama, and set the boundary of administration.

With the entry-into-effect of the San Francisco Peace Treaty, the Ryukyu Islands were formally placed under the administration by US.
CHAPTER II
TERRITORY
Japan will concur in any proposal of the United States to the United Nations to place under its trusteeship system, with the United States as the sole administering authority, Nansei Shoto south of 29° north latitude (including the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands), Nanpo Shoto south of Sofu Gan (including the Bonin Islands, Rosario Island and the Volcano Islands) and Parece Vela and Marcus Island. Pending the making of such a proposal and affirmative action thereon, the United States will have the right to exercise all and any powers of administration, legislation and jurisdiction over the territory and inhabitants of these islands, including their territorial sea.

Some Chinese have some grand fantasy of Okinawa independence or Chinese occupation meanwhile in reality.

To claim Diaoyu island that's even further away from Okinawa as one of these undeclare minor island is simply fantasy, not to mention "as we determine" means exactly that, it needs to be spelled out. And no, don't even compare them to Tibet, as Tibet was never under international trusteeship.
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Ming Dynasty map of 1561 with the Diaoyu island marked.

How can Ming have Senkaku when Taiwan was incorporated in Qing by only 1683,for comparison satsuma already captured Okinwa by 1609. Your map is from Fujian Yanhai Zong Tu, in Volume IV of Chou Hai Tu Bian, Fujian Yanhai Zong Tu does not even illustrate Taiwan, Keelung Islet, or Pengjia Islet, let alone the Senkaku Islands.
At the time when Chou Hai Tu Bian was compiled, China's defense capabilities did not extend to the Penghu Islands. Therefore, it has been noted that its intention behind drawing the Senkaku Islands in Yanhai Shansha Tu was only to show that it was an area that needed to be paid attention to in order to defend the mainland, as these islands were on the route the wako used for their raids.

(Recompiled General Annals of Fujian, 1838) compiled by the Qing government, it seems clear that at that time, the Senkaku Islands were not included within the administrative scope of Fujian Province. Neither descriptions of the Senkaku Islands nor their depictions on the maps have been discovered in any of the Tongzhi documents.
Chinese gov claims to inherit the Qing gov and that's the only clause.

Chinese foreign minister Hong Lei stated that :"On January 14, 1895, Japan stealthily occupied the Chinese territory of the Diaoyu Island and its affiliated islands. The so-called 'pioneering' of this nature is absolutely nothing close to a graceful action."


Below are proper map with taiwan produced by the chinese gov before 1895.


Revised Book of Taiwan Province, published in 1693 compiled by Gao Gonggan and others, it is written that “To the north Jilongshan is 2,325 Ri (approx.1,296 kilometers) away and makes the boundary.” Jilong Castle, near the present-day city of Jilong, and Mount Jilongshan mark the northernmost boundary of Taiwan not senkaku.

During the reign of Emperor Kangxi, the Kanxi Huang'yu quanlan tu (Complete atlas of the empire) was produced, This Kanxi Huang'yu chuanlan tu was the result of a geographical survey that Emperor Kangxi had commissioned the Jesuits to conduct.

"Drawings of Taiwan" shows the northern border line of Taiwan as Jilong Fort jiè (boundary line). This confirms that the border of Taiwan was Jilong Fort or Mt. Jilong.

This facts was inconvenient for China, which wished to depict the Senkaku Islands as an integral part of China. What the Chinese decided to use instead to back up their argument was records of the Qing's missions to the Ryukyus, including those that described navigational routes.

In Marine Country recorded the experiences of the main character in Six Phases of Fleet Life, who accompanied Imperial Mission Zhai Kun and went to the Ryukyus in 1808 ,zhai mentions“Jilongshan is the Chinese boundary” is also confirmed by the description “passing Jilongshan, the Chinese boundary”.




US and international community has always regarded Senkaku as part of Japanese Okinawa chain.

And finally,in 1885, way before sino -japanese war, Japan launched an official survey of the Senkakus, and established terra nullius under international law ,if any nation had a legal (and historical) claim on the islands, it was Japan, for it had annexed the Ryukyu Kingdom and had thus established legitimate prior occupation and effective control over the islands.
That's real proof in international system that we operate.,rather than debate about 500 years old claims.

So chinese claim that Japan stole senkaku in 1895 doesn't hold ground. There's ample proof that Japan had established terra nullius on senkaku before that,before any nation.
China has been blinded by Anti Japanese hate.

 

[northeast]

For size and geographical position, it's natural for China to achieve a leading role for Asia. But not their form of givernment and attitude. So we're stuck with surrounding countries trying to balance against China by means deepening defense relations among each other and keeping a welcoming posture for the US.

The Senkaku islands are Japan's. If China worries so much about lost territory, they should go after outer Manchuria. The Senkaku islands were at most just navigational features for Chinese boats in old terms. Outer Manchuria has land wete people formed live, grow up, form settlements. The age of old empires ended with much fire and destruction that resulted in the great degree of changes to territory boundaries. Out of that carnage, Japan and other European powers emerged much smaller. China on the other hand got out of it quite well. They should be content with what they already got instead of revisiting the old stakes of using threat of force to change territory. They are not entitled to more. Do us all (inluding yourself China) a favor and take a chill pill China... Japan left the Senkaku islands dormant until Chinese boats started violating the territorial waters around them starting in 2008. Due to that, Japan took the posture to nationalize the islands in 2012. If China left the islands alone, they still be in the dormant status and not nationalized.

LOL,we are not gonna leading asia for charity. Like USA not gonna leading japan and europe for free. You are gonna pay a big tribute to let bigger countries to lead you. Is Your brain seriously damaged,or are you trying to insult the IQ of other people?