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They can print money, but don't have the same power as the US.

And they also don't have the leverage to export their domestic inflation abroad like the US.
You say nothing new. The US is the sole superpower on this planet that treats other as small kids. The EU even with a giant combined Gdp is just a small kid in the eyes of US politics.
 
You say nothing new. The US is the sole superpower on this planet that treats other as small kids. The EU is just a small kid in the eyes of US politics.

That's why China and Russia (in some extend EU) want to deprive this special privilege from the US.

Before, they were the largest manufacturer with more than half of the world's gold reserve, and the mighty greenback was backed by those.

And now, they are starting to lose ground in the Middle East, and it is accelerating under Trump. That's why the USD will soon become worthless as they also keep abusing this privilege till the end.
 
That's why China and Russia (in some extend EU) want to deprive this special privilege from the US.

Before, they were the largest manufacturer with more than half of the world's gold reserve, and the mighty greenback was backed by those.

And now, they are starting to lose ground in the Middle East, and it is accelerating under Trump. That's why the USD will soon become worthless as they also keep abusing this privilege till the end.
I think too, the world is not big enough for two. A clash with China is inevitable. we will see. As for Germany, I don’t think any change to come soon. Not far from here the US has the largest air base in Europe. Not too far away further, US tank armies stand ready.
 
I know china stocks markets are a giant bubble.

It's not a bubble, but just a giant Casino where stock prices are based on speculation rather than company fundamentals. That's because the majority of investors in China are individual investors who make judgement based on feelings or rumors. Whereas in the US it's made up of institutional investors who make judgement based on analyzing figures and projections.

However if China allows institutional investors to dominate, many of their SOEs will collapse because they are simply inefficient and the ROE is lower than private Chinese companies.

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SOEs receive preferential access to credit and they benefited at the expense of their private counterparts.

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It's one important reason why HK is still an important financial center for China. And high quality firms like Alibaba still go to NYC or HK.

Mainland China has to reform the whole economy (SOEs operating on market principles, capital restriction to prevent capital outflow from excessive 'money-printing' etc). And I'm not sure China is willing to reform in that direction anyway. One of the US demands in the trade war is for China to remove subsidies for SOEs, and China refused. There are huge vested interests in the SOEs.
 
I think too, the world is not big enough for two. A clash with China is inevitable. we will see. As for Germany, I don’t think any change to come soon. Not far from here the US has the largest air base in Europe. Not too far away further, US tank armies stand ready.

The joint force between China and Russia will create an inevitable debacle for the US.

Now the US has already suffered a series of combo assaults from both China and Russia, and the foundation of their hegemony is already crumbling.

The USD is backed by the dominance of the military, whereas the military is backed by the technological dominance.

China has launched the world's only authentic 5G network, and it will soon create a new ecosystems of network and manufacturing base, and completely supplants the US in its role of technological powerhouse.

China is also militarily challenging the US in all front, and also taken the assistance from Russia to eliminate the US influence in the Middle East.

The sad truth for the Yankees is that their days are truly numbered.
 
It's not a bubble, but just a giant Casino where stock prices are based on speculation rather than company fundamentals. That's because the majority of investors in China are individual investors who make judgement based on feelings or rumors. Whereas in the US it's made up of institutional investors who make judgement based on analyzing figures and projections.

However if China allows institutional investors to dominate, many of their SOEs will collapse because they are simply inefficient and the ROE is lower than private Chinese companies.

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SOEs receive preferential access to credit and they benefited at the expense of their private counterparts.

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It's one important reason why HK is still an important financial center for China. And high quality firms like Alibaba still go to NYC or HK.

Mainland China has to reform the whole economy (SOEs operating on market principles, capital restriction to prevent capital outflow from excessive 'money-printing' etc). And I'm not sure China is willing to reform in that direction anyway. One of the US demands in the trade war is for China to remove subsidies for SOEs, and China refused. There are huge vested interests in the SOEs.
Xi Jinping and his Ccp princess will lose power if they weaken the state in companies and banks. No, I don’t think they will commit political suicide.
 
Xi Jinping and his Ccp princess will lose power if they weaken the state in companies and banks. No, I don’t think they will commit political suicide.

China's SOE has been greatly empowered under Xi, and it will keep doing so.

The wealth of those private oligarchs has been confiscated one by one.

Yep, the US was not wrong that Huawei is de facto a SOE under disguise, since China doesn't give a damn at this point, the 5G technology controlled by China is going to dominate the world regardless the US likes it or not.
 
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China's SOE has been greatly empowered under Xi, and it will keep doing so.

The wealth of those private oligarchs has been confiscated one by one.

Yep, the US was not wrong that Huawei is de facto a SOE under disguise, since China doesn't give a damn at this point, the 5G technology controlled by China is going to dominate the world regardless the US likes it or not.
Of course why Ccp will want to give up the power? She certainly wants to continue sucking money out common chinese populace.
As for Russia, that is a marriage on time and will end. A common enemy here the US is too little for you and Russia to last long.

You have more enemies than during the Ming.
 
Xi Jinping and his Ccp princess will lose power if they weaken the state in companies and banks.

Some say that Xi is trying to cut down on SOEs and there are strong resistance. We don't know.

Try reading this interview with Michael Pettis, a professor of finance at Beijing University.
https://themarket.ch/interview/the-...te-in-china-is-already-below-3-percent-ld.416

An extract:
You mentioned that Xi had consolidated his power and was able to start reforms. Is he really a reformer?
China really does not have a choice. You can’t allow your debt to grow at two to three times your debt servicing capacity year after year, when already your debt is probably well over 300% of GDP and you’re a developing country. Most people realize that this is a ticking time bomb. Beijing has got to address the debt issue. I think there is this recognition that they’ve got to stop the debt from growing and they understood that it’s impossible to do that without seeing a significant drop in GDP growth.

How should the debt problem be addressed?
The typical economist would tell you that you have to implement productivity enhancing reforms and grow your way out of the debt. But let’s face it: No country in history with too much debt has ever been able to just grow out of it. They reduce their debt either by defaulting, by inflating it away, by squeezing the workers or expropriating the rich. In the case of China, the source of the huge growth in debt has been massive amounts of misallocated investment in non-productive infrastructure and unnecessary manufacturing capacity. So as a first step, you have to stop the non-productive investment. But if you do that, you reduce growth. And if you don’t want growth to drop too much, you need another source of demand.

Such as?
For an economy the size of China, the obvious choice is household consumption. Household income and consumption in China today are at below 50% of GDP. That is the lowest level ever recorded in history. So to me it’s clear that China’s economic growth now must come from the consumption sector. They need to replace non-productive investment with consumption.

How can that be achieved?
There are only two ways to grow consumption: One is to boost household debt, which is what they did in the last four years. Household debt in China has exploded. But of course that doesn’t solve the debt problem, it just moves it to the household side. The other way to boost household consumption is to boost household income. After 30 years in which the household share contracted, we now need the household share to expand. That means the group that benefited most in the last 30 years, the group that enjoyed an expanding share of a rapidly growing economy, must now retain a contracting share of a much more slowly growing economy.

Who is that group?
The local elites and the local governments, which are controlled by the local elites. So the solution is very simple: You have to transfer wealth from local governments and elites to ordinary households. They’ve known that solution since 2007, and if you look at the 2013 Third Plenum reforms, they were all about that transfer of wealth. It’s just politically incredibly difficult to do that.

To put it simply, you’re saying the central government is battling against the vested interests in the provinces?
Yes. It’s interesting to know that the term «vested interest» only emerged in China in early 2008, after premier Wen Jiabao promised to begin rebalancing the economy. That’s not a coincidence. If you’re going to impose those reforms, you have to significantly weaken the vested interests and strengthen the central government. Which is what Xi Jinping has spent the first five years of his presidency doing.

So let’s say the domestic debt level in China today amounts to 300% of GDP. How can that be wound down?
First, we need to understand that there are two types of debt: Good debt is when you borrow money to build something that creates enough economic value to repay the debt. And then there is the other debt, the bad one, that is used to build something that does not create economic value. The way to deal with that is you have to get rid of the debt and assign the cost to somebody. How can you do that? Well, you can default and restructure, which means the creditors bear the cost. That’s difficult in China, because the creditors are the banks and the banks are guaranteed by the government. Another way is you can assign the costs to the household sector, which tends to be politically weak.

How is that done?
By imposing negative real interest rates on household savings. That’s what happened in China in the last decades. The problem today is the issue we just talked about: If the government wants the households to boost their spending, they can’t squeeze them to bear the costs of all the unproductive debt in the economy. So who else? Ideally, you would like to get the foreigners to bear the cost of bad debt, but in China the foreigners are not the lenders. So there is only the government left. And by that, I don’t mean the central government, but local governments. The most effective way for China to reduce the debt level is to force local governments to pay for the debt in their region.

How can they do that?
Local governments own a lot of assets, such as real estate and state-owned enterprises. They should sell those assets and use the proceeds to pay down the debt. There have been many proposals, but it's just not happening. The power of the local elites depends to a large extent on the local government’s control of these assets. It’s incredibly difficult for the central government to take on the local elites.
 
Of course why Ccp will want to give up the power? She certainly wants to continue sucking money out common chinese populace.
As for Russia, that is a marriage on time and will end. A common enemy here the US is too little for you and Russia to last long.

You have more enemies than during the Ming.

The SOE will also serve the people much better than any private entity. And China's trillions infrastructure is a miracle that can only be accomplished by the SOE.

The US is now completely trembling under panic, just take a look at the way they are reporting about China, it is purely based on fear.

This time it is the US who will end up more like the Ming, since China under CPC will become more aggressive like the Mongols and Manchus.

Some say that Xi is trying to cut down on SOEs and there are strong resistance. We don't know.

Try reading this interview with Michael Pettis, a professor of finance at Beijing University.
https://themarket.ch/interview/the-real-economic-growth-rate-in-china-is-already-below-3-percent-ld.416

Cut down in number only.

Since many SOEs are merging into one and become bigger and more powerful than before.

http://energy.people.com.cn/n/2014/1231/c71661-26304956.html

http://ccnews.people.com.cn/n1/2019/1127/c141677-31476715.html
 
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Some say that Xi is trying to cut down on SOEs and there are strong resistance. We don't know.

Try reading this interview with Michael Pettis, a professor of finance at Beijing University.
https://themarket.ch/interview/the-...te-in-china-is-already-below-3-percent-ld.416

An extract:
More cosmetics than reality in the ground. Traditionally chinese political elites mistrust the business people (what do you think why so many business refugees in Asean?), so they will keep both the money and power.
 
More cosmetics than reality in the ground. Traditionally chinese political elites mistrust the business people (what do you think why so many business refugees in Asean?), so they will keep both the money and power.

It's not the business people here. It's the local political elites resisting against the central political elites. In China businessmen like Jack Ma holds little power; political power triumphs over everything else. If you have political power, you have money.

Just look at the small province of Hainan with a GDP of just $70b.

Party chief:
13,500kg of gold bars allegedly found in top Chinese official’s home, wealth might rival Jack Ma’s
https://mothership.sg/2019/10/news-china-gold-bars-chinese-official-home/

Judge:
Chinese judge behind US$270 million business empire sacked, facing prosecution
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/pol...e-behind-us270-million-business-empire-sacked
 
That's fine if solar was invented a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

I care more about what happens today and tomorrow.

Eight out of the world's top 10 solar panel makers are Chinese, according to IHS Markit. China is by far the world's biggest producer with a 71% market share.

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If China can dominate all the emerging industries I mentioned like they dominate solar, that's good enough for me.



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Last year, over 98 percent of the population has been covered with 4G networks as more than 3.7 million 4G base stations have been built. Even residents of Sichuan's "cliff village," one of China's poorest areas, have access to 4G.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-09/25/c_138420565.htm

China has 4.37 million 4G base stations and 1.2 billion users.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/global/2019-10/15/content_37515552.htm

Do you know what is the meaning of innovation?

Just because you use the most of it, does not mean you invent the thing, just because 78 or whatever percentage of China were producing Solar Technology, that does not mean China invented Solar Power, the same as Electric Car, the same as 4G. What you are talking about is the usage and application, not innovation.
 
It's not the business people here. It's the local political elites resisting against the central political elites. In China businessmen like Jack Ma holds little power; political power triumphs over everything else. If you have political power, you have money.

Just look at the small province of Hainan with a GDP of just $70b.

Party chief:
13,500kg of gold bars allegedly found in top Chinese official’s home, wealth might rival Jack Ma’s
https://mothership.sg/2019/10/news-china-gold-bars-chinese-official-home/

Judge:
Chinese judge behind US$270 million business empire sacked, facing prosecution
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/pol...e-behind-us270-million-business-empire-sacked
Wow that is a lot of gold can he share with me? :D

He probably asks one ounce of gold for every driver license, every business contract, every time he moves his hands. A paradise for corruption.

In that context Singapore politics of clean hands are much better.
 
Do you know what is the meaning of innovation?

Just because you use the most of it, does not mean you invent the thing, just because 78 or whatever percentage of China were producing Solar Technology, that does not mean China invented Solar Power, the same as Electric Car, the same as 4G. What you are talking about is the usage and application, not innovation.


The reality is that China hasn’t invented a product or industry that has revolutionized the world in modern times.

Meanwhile in the last 10-15 years the US has revolutionized the smartphone and app ecosystem, created the social media revolution, digital revolution, and energy/shale revolution.

The US revolutionizes products and industries, while China only brings evolutionary improvements to technology/science. Huge difference..
 

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