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China Wants To Have The World's Best Navy (Will It Succeed?)

@beijingwalker bro , China need to expand its navy to IOR. Your presence in this region will ensure the security of mainland China and neutralize the threat before it reaches your shores.

Or help Pakistan to strengthen its navy, a strong pakistan navy will be very helpful in securing supply lines to Gwadar.
 
Having 100 small and midget subs that can launch AShM and torpedoes will make a statement that you mean business.

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China has the largest navy in the world by number of submarines, corvettes, frigates, destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships and carriers.

Tonnage is where China is in second place. China has many lighter subs, corvettes and frigates.

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China should open up another shipyard to make newer corvettes, frigates and subs. Right now, China is focusing on destroyers, cruisers and carriers. This focus on bigger ships will slow down the rapid growth of Chinese navy ships.
 
@beijingwalker bro , China need to expand its navy to IOR. Your presence in this region will ensure the security of mainland China and neutralize the threat before it reaches your shores.

Or help Pakistan to strengthen its navy, a strong pakistan navy will be very helpful in securing supply lines to Gwadar.

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Soon :D
China already have Naval base in Djibouti and Cambodia, after more Aircraft carriers and LHD, China's Navy Indian Ocean Fleet will ready
 
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China already have Naval base in Djibouti and Cambodia, after more Aircraft carriers and LHD, China's Navy Indian Ocean Fleet will ready

PHNOM PENH (Reuters) - Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen said on Monday there would never be a foreign military base in his country, following a news report that China was lobbying for a naval base in southwest Koh Kong province.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...gn-military-base-in-his-country-idUSKCN1NO0BK
 
PHNOM PENH (Reuters) - Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen said on Monday there would never be a foreign military base in his country, following a news report that China was lobbying for a naval base in southwest Koh Kong province.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...gn-military-base-in-his-country-idUSKCN1NO0BK


A senior U.S. Indo-Pacific Command officer August 15 confirmed Cambodia and China are proceeding on a base for China's navy in the Southeast Asian country's Preah Sihanouk province.
https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-p...-confirms-china-deal-use-cambodian-naval-base

do u think U.S military official stupid? :D
 
By next year, your country will have negative interest rate.

You don't even have to wait that long, since a looming recession/depression is becoming inevitable.

The United States added 266,000 jobs in November as the jobless rate decreased to 3.5 percent, reflecting a surge of strength in the labor market that has muscled through recession fears that flared over the summer.

The data, released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, beat expectations. Analysts had forecast roughly 180,000 new jobs for the month. The 3.5 percent unemployment rate is back at a 50-year low.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

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The United States added 266,000 jobs in November as the jobless rate decreased to 3.5 percent, reflecting a surge of strength in the labor market that has muscled through recession fears that flared over the summer.

The data, released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, beat expectations. Analysts had forecast roughly 180,000 new jobs for the month. The 3.5 percent unemployment rate is back at a 50-year low.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

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Why should I care about those fake numbers?

Just look at your most recent manufacturing pmi versus China's, 48.1 against 50.2.

It is Trump who is now in desperate for a trade deal as he and his team just keep making those lies in order to prop up the stock market which is already on life support.

Right now, the damages on China is recoverable, but not recoverable for the US.
 
Why should I care about those fake numbers?

Just look at your most recent manufacturing pmi versus China's, 48.1 against 50.2.

It is Trump who is now in desperate for a trade deal as he and his team just keep making those lies in order to prop up the stock market which is already on life support.

Right now, the damages on China is recoverable, but not recoverable for the US.
Well tiger you can bet against the future. It is certainly a possibility that the US slips into recession by next year but that possibility is lower than recession of Germany. Look at the stock market! the S&P rises to a record level. Stock market is very good future index. If stocks run well this year, the economy will perform well next year. Economics rule. The US is great in innovation, while CN not. It’s innovation that drives the progress. And not to forget there are more reliable data in the US. I personally think not the US but Germany slips into recession or at least stagnation by next year if things don’t change dramatically.
On personal note I invest more in US stocks and keep in China holdings unchanged. Alibaba runs good but I lost money in other tech companies as Tencent.

China economy is on the crossroad. millions of job losses in manufacturing in lower end sectors are expected. We will see if they can create enough jobs in the higher end to compensate the losses.
 
Well tiger you can bet against the future. It is certainly a possibility that the US slips into recession by next year but that possibility is lower than recession of Germany. Look at the stock market! the S&P rises to a record level. Stock market is very good future index. If stocks run well this year, the economy will perform well next year. Economics rule. The US is great in innovation, while CN not. It’s innovation that drives the progress. And not to forget there are more reliable data in the US. I personally think not the US but Germany slips into recession or at least stagnation by next year if things don’t change dramatically.
On personal note I invest more in US stocks and keep in China holdings unchanged. Alibaba runs good but I lost money in other tech companies as Tencent.

China economy is on the crossroad. millions of job losses in manufacturing in lower end sectors are expected. We will see if they can create enough jobs in the higher end to compensate the losses.

The stock market is now sustained by the easy money printing by the Fed.

Without keep inflating the bubble, it is going to collapse for sure.
 
China Cancels Plans for Two Nuclear-Powered Super Aircraft Carriers

December 7, 2019 Topic: Security Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: ChinaAircraft CarrierLiaoningU.S. NavyPacific

Too expensive? Seems so.

by Sebastien Roblin

China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy takes many of its cues from the U.S. Navy as it develops its carrier aviation branch. It is seeking similar flat-deck carriers to its U.S. counterpart, and has developed airborne early warning planes and electronic attack jets comparable to American E-2D Hawkeyes and EA-18 Growlers.

But that tendency may have backfired for once. That’s because the U.S. Navy has been beset by major cost overruns and delays in deploying its new generation Gerald Ford-class supercarriers due to persistent flaws in their catapults, arresting gear, radars and weapons elevators. You can read more about these many problems in an earlier article.

Similar problems apparently are affecting China’s carrier program. On November 28, Minnie Chan of the South China Morning Post reported that Beijing was scrapping plans for a fifth and sixth nuclear-powered carrier, once it finished construction of two new steam-powered vessels.

The reason? “Technical challenges and high costs,” including issues particularly linked to development of the latter two vessel’s electromagnetic launch systems—the same system bedeviling the U.S. Navy.

China’s Truncated Aircraft Carrier Program

For over a decade, China has been steadily building up plans to deploy six aircraft carriers of progressively greater capability.

China’s first carrier, the Type 001 Liaoning, was actually an old Soviet “aircraft-carrying cruiser” purchased by an ex-basketball star from Ukraine, ostensibly for use as a floating casino, and then extensively refitted into a carrier. Considerably smaller than U.S. carriers, the Liaoning features a curved ‘ski jump’ ramp that limits the fuel and weapons payload carried by her J-15 Flying Shark fighters.

The second carrier, launched in 2017—variously designated the Type 001A or Type 002—was China’s first entirely domestically built carrier, and is essentially a modestly improved Type 001.

China’s third and fourth carriers (the Type 002 or Type 003 depending on which nomenclature you prefer) are significantly larger and more capable, with flat, catapult-equipped flight decks that would allow deployment of fully combat-loaded jet fighters.

The final stage of the Chinese carrier program was two even larger flat-deck carriers using nuclear propulsion—intended essentially to be equal in capability to the U.S. Navy’s super carriers.

But rather than adopt the steam catapults used on most flat-deck aircraft carriers, Beijing was determined to steal a technological step by directly adopting next-generation electromagnetic launch systems, or EMALs—currently only featured on two new Gerald Ford class carrier.

U.S. Navy planners have long enthused that EMALs would save billions of dollars in operating costs compared to steam catapults, speed up aircraft operations 25%, and reduce wear-and-tear on aircraft by allowing the amount of impelling force to be fine-tuned according to operational needs.

But unfortunately, Pentagon testing reports revealed that EMALs remained far from mature, exhibited dramatically higher failure rates, and required excessively long times to repair due to the Ford’s distributed power system.

The catapults used by China’s third and fourth-carriers are also experiencing teething issues, according to Chan: “tests of the electromagnetic catapults used to launch the J-15, China’s only carrier-based fighter, had yet to meet the required standard.”

Chan cites a military insider in describing two other factors behind the axing of China’s plans for nuclear-powered supercarriers.

One problem is the need to develop a next-generation carrier-based stealth fighter to succeed the PLAN’s current J-15s. Indeed, there are conflicting reports as to whether China will evolve the lighter, and as yet non-operational J-31 stealth fighter for carrier operations, or develop a naval variant of the larger Chengdu J-20 stealth jet currently in service.

Chan’s source also claimed “China doesn’t possess the nuclear technology required, although it has developed many nuclear-powered submarines.” Apparently carrier’s larger scale needs pose a greater technical challenge.

Prestige versus Combat Power

Beijing may also be having second thoughts on whether springing big bucks for big carriers is the best use of its defense budget. China’s carriers greatest value may lie more in prestige, power projection against weaker adversaries, and building experience for later capability growth, rather than as deterrence against the U.S. Navy.

After all, a six-carrier PLA Navy would still be balancing against eleven higher-capability U.S. carriers. In the past, such naval imbalances in power often resulted in the weaker side’s most valuable ships staying in port rather than sallying forth into likely defeat. Consider the 17 huge Kaiser Wilhelm dreadnaughts built prior to World War I, which saw limited action because they were contained by the 29 dreadnaughts in the Royal Navy.

In a high-intensity conflict with the United States, the PLA Navy would likely struggle to use its carriers without exposing them to unacceptably high levels of risk. Cheaper but still capable surface warships and submarines, as well as land-based missiles and long-range anti-ship bombers offer the PLA Navy a more immediately useable means to contest the western Pacific against a peer adversary.

Debatably, such long-range standoff weapons threaten the future viability of even the United State’s more mature carrier fleet. Adapting supercarriers to survive against them may involve developing new long-range unmanned systems radically different from the Super Hornet and Lightning fighters in current carrier air wings.

Thus, China’s downsizing of its carrier ambitions may leave it with more time to evaluate just what the carriers of the future will really look-like—and whether they’re worth the cost.

Sébastien Roblin holds a Master’s Degree in Conflict Resolution from Georgetown University and served as a university instructor for the Peace Corps in China. He has also worked in education, editing, and refugee resettlement in France and the United States. He currently writes on security and military history for War Is Boring.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...uclear-powered-super-aircraft-carriers-103187
 
The US is great in innovation, while CN not. It’s innovation that drives the progress.

China is currently leading the world in solar power, wind power, electric vehicles, batteries, high-speed rail, AI, cashless payment system, 4G and 5G.

China has 227 supercomputers on the TOP500 list as of November 2019.

China is pushing forward in TSTO spaceplanes.
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http://english.chinamil.com.cn/view/2019-10/23/content_9658969.htm

Tell me, what amazing innovations or products have the US come up with in recent years? Give an example of an American product that will soon revolutionize the world.
 
China is currently leading the world in solar power, wind power, electric vehicles, batteries, high-speed rail, AI, cashless payment system, 4G and 5G.

China has 227 supercomputers on the TOP500 list as of November 2019.

China is pushing forward in TSTO spaceplanes.
nLQjZne.jpg

http://english.chinamil.com.cn/view/2019-10/23/content_9658969.htm

Tell me, what amazing innovations or products have the US come up with in recent years? Give an example of an American product that will soon revolutionize the world.

Umm, solar power, wind power, electric vehicles, batteries, high-speed rail, AI, cashless payment system, 4G and 5G those are not innovation, because they exist before China start building them, in fact, Solar Power exist in 1960s. And I would not say China innovate 4G and 5G, the Chinese are part of 5G, but 5G is not Chinese invention, and definitely not 4G. 4G is patented by France and Sweden if I remember correctly.

US innovation is currently at High Tech sector, mainly Bio-Medical sector. The DNA scissors (or restrictive enzyme) is a medical breakthrough that allow DNA modification was invented by a pair American scientist during late 70s and early 80s. And DNA Scissors is a major game changer for DNA and other medical research.
 

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