China vs. USA

[Bilal9]

On 2, I've been to China I think at least 20 times my last visit was late 2019, I know Chinese that currently live in China. I know Chinese that live and work in the west. As for societal decline, the US was always a violent society. Going back to the 1800s when my ancestors immigrated to the US from Scandinavia. Interestingly, some of them kept journals and newspapers clippings preserving current events of concern to them at the time. Crime and violence in the 1800s was an order of magnitude worse than it is today. It is to be expected when immigrants both legal and illegal arrive and some resort to criminal activity to make a living. Read about the Five Points, Manhattan 1840s, to get a sense of how bad crime was back then. Sure there is social injustice and discrimination that is a contributing factor and there are no second chances. Once you have a criminal record there is almost no turning your life around it becomes a permanent impediment to upward mobility. The US isn't an equal just society it never was, people with money and means have always had the upper hand.

Good - at least we can agree about inequality of US society, which isn't anywhere near enough captured by stats like the GINI coefficient, which brother @MH.Yang brought up. It's actually far, far worse.

Let's agree to disagree and I will leave you with the great George Carlin , whose parting observations were chillingly real before he passed away. And a movie snippet.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Why are you posting some UK guy’s videos (actually he is South African). He doesn’t know anything about life in the US.

 

[Bilal9]

Why are you posting some UK guy’s videos (actually he is South African). He doesn’t know anything about life in the US.

This guy is from Sheffield, UK.

You are probably thinking about SerpentZA - the South African guy who lived in China.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Per capita GDP China is still far behind US, but China is catching up, besides, China just prospered for less than a decade, people still need time to digest what China is like now, a great number of ill informed people

I don’t think we have to explain China’s situation to the accelerated number of Chinese people who have ripped up their Chinese citizenships to permanently move to that “horrible” USA in the last decade or so. I think their opinions outweigh everybody else’s.

This guy is from Sheffield, UK.

You are probably thinking about SerpentZA - the South African guy who lived in China.

Lol! I know who SerpentZA is. I believe in some of the above guys videos he mentions he lived in South Africa. He actually thinks living in an apartment building surrounded by a barbed wire wall is not unusual and neither is bars over windows. Which seems a little strange when he talks about how safe the place is.

 

[Bilal9]

I don’t think we have explain to the accelerated number of Chinese people who have ripped up their Chinese citizenships to permanently move to that “horrible” USA. I think their opinions outweigh everybody else’s.



Lol! I know who SerpentZA is. I believe in some of the above guys videos he mentions he lived in South Africa. He actually thinks living in an apartment building surrounded by a barbed wire wall is not unusual and neither is bars over windows. Which seems a little strange when he talks about how safe the place is.

Well to each his own. Whatever floats their boat.

If that guy is happy where he is - do we have any say-so in it? Let him be happy. Video looks nice enough by anyone's standards, even that of the US.

I live in the West part of Santa Monica in a property several times what he paid probably, and I still have a lot of issues with law and order, the homeless, police patrols, you name it. Some would say my neighborhood qualifies to be "spiffy" but I still have my share of issues.

Things have gotten a lot worse in the last decade.

The main thing is people having decency and respecting other people's property.

Renters nearby walk their dogs on the sidewalk, don't pick up the poop, even when there are bag dispensers close by. Just lazy and irresponsible.

People playing music really loud and you have to call the cops.

China (even in poor neighborhoods) have enough civic sense not to do this type of thing.

We are breeding a sad generation of uneducated indecent kids now - you have to admit.

 

[gambit]

@dbc @VCheng @gambit

Is this common sentiment among many Americans? asking since OP is an American

You do know that the Chinese government do and have paid 'influencers', right?

 

[K_Bin_W]

There is no comparison between a rising and a declining economy, it's like comparing apples with oranges.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Renters nearby walk their dogs on the sidewalk, don't pick up the poop, even when there are bag dispensers close by. Just lazy and irresponsible.

People playing music really loud and you have to call the cops.

China (even in poor neighborhoods) have enough civic sense not to do this type of thing.

We are breeding a sad generation of uneducated indecent kids now - you have to admit.

I have railed in many PDF posts that renters are what drives people away from places (like cities) and leads to their ultimate demise. The neighborhood I grew up in Boston used to be all families…now each have 5 singles (ala “Friends”) in them splitting rent. They don’t give a shit about the neighborhood or the upkeep.

If you move to a suburb that actively discourages renting you’ll find they typically are the best towns. For instance some refuse on-street overnight parking. This limits the number of cars a home can have thus you can’t have 5 single people in it.

To even out the “unfairness” of school systems in low renter towns versus high rental towns my state mandated a percentage of low income rental housing in all towns. Some towns refused. The state levied fines…some towns simply voted to pay the fine every year than deal with renter problems.

 

[jhungary]

Compare this is like comparing the home I own in Australia, China, Hong Kong and US.

My home in Australia is in a 300 square meters block (roughly 2700 sq ft), purchased for 750,000 AUD (roughly 3 million Yuan) single story, open backyard. It is comfy living in Australia, not the rich people level. (The rich live up north, near Eastwood, North Sydney, Neutral Bay)

My Family Home in China is in the village DongKeng (东坑) in Dongguan Province (东莞市), it's on a 5000 sq ft Block, 3 stories with large drive-in parking, built in 1988 for around 200,000 RMB now worth upward to 6 million Yuan.

My Family Home in Hong Kong is in Tuen Mun, roughly 700 square ft with roof access. Cost roughly 1 million HKD to build back in 1999 and now worth somewhere around 7 million Hong Kong Dollars.

My Home in the US is a 1700 sq. ft condo in downtown Philly. 5th stories building on the 3rd floor. Built in the 1960 and run down like shit, brought it for 200,000USD in 2008 and it probably worth around the same now.

So, which house is the best to live in?

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

You do know that the Chinese government do and have paid 'influencers', right?

Yes I am aware, CCP has its "white monkey" brigade and given low level of propaganda in the video its tailor made of mainland Chinese audience. No American would fall for this crap

Just surprised Americans like OP propagating it .Unless OP is consciously propagating it while living in America

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Thing is, if you earn around $40000 a year, you can probably afford some nice place in China, you can't in America.

Can get a 3 BHK for a grand in Iowa

Wish I could move there

 

[applesauce]

Can get a 3 BHK for a grand in Iowa

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Wish I could move there

thats literally a trailer in a trailer park dude.
and its like 67k, that 1k is rent price.

 

[beijingwalker]

Souds like village houses in Tibet and Xinjiang, every house in pretty large, big city fellow don't have this luxury

A visitor is amazed by a small village, 巴吉 village, in Nyingchi county in South Tibet, it's a relocation village where every house is big and beautiful, every family has fancy cars, he intends to rent one house and inquires about the rent, it's 200,000 Yuan per year( 30,000 USD), he feels it's too expensive for him and he scraps that idea.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

He actually thinks living in an apartment building surrounded by a barbed wire wall is not unusual and neither is bars over windows. Which seems a little strange when he talks about how safe the place is.

@Bilal9 Here’s that video

He lives in an apartment building surrounded by a high barbed wire wall..and it is not some ding on how safe China is? Isn’t there a bit of a logic issue here…

Any walled in apartments topped with barbed wire in Santa Monica in areas you consider safe?

 

[beijingwalker]

He lives in an apartment building surrounded by a high barbed wire wall..and it is not some ding on how safe China is? Isn’t there a bit of a logic issue here…

It's very common in China, it's just a Chinese thing, Chinese like walls and that's why we had the Great Wall, it's just a culture thing, doesn't mean good or bad, your problem is always using your own western values and perspectives to judge China.