China to invest $400 billion in Iran, station 5000 troops

[mike2000 is back]

Not sarcasm. In real politics, sometimes it’s necessary to swallow the pride. You can’t feed the population by pride. Nor can protect the country. It’s not worth to give the country’s future into the hands of fanatics.

Yes, Iran should follow Vietnam's example. Vietnam even fought a bitter bloody war with Western powers who backed a South Vietnamese western allied government, but even years after , the war, Vietnam still suffered from decades of western Isolation(even China/ASEAN sanctioned and isolated them) sanctions, suffering from a stagnant economy and extreme porverty. The communist party finally came to the conclusion that it's no use for the country and its people to go through such hardships for little to no gain. So they opened up and mended ties with the West and now have very close ties to western countries and thereby integrated in the world economy, they now have a vibrant fast growing economy with rising living standards . The rest is history.

However I don't think Iran can follow Vietnam's example . Since they are in different situations and leadership as well. Plus Iran's government also got to power on an anti western mandate. So it's hard to justify how they can mend ties and cooperate with the great Satan as they used to call Western powers like US, UK etc. Moreover there are many dynamics at play in the middle East as well where Iran is also involved in a proxy war with KSA which is an ally of the West as well,plus there is also Iran's relations with Israel etc etc so many things which makes a normalisation of relations very difficult if not impossible given the current governments in place. In fact I'm more optimistic of the US normalising relations with N. Korea than with Iran

 

[Viet]

Wtf is wrong with you,? Have you no pride left in your tiny little body?


This Viet has no shame. I don't accuse other Viets are the same. But this one is extra-ordinary. Brain damaged by agent orange. This one has no pride left anymore.

There is no such thing as shame in international relationship. What is that? Nations care of national interests not shame.

I find it hilarious a chinese is talking about shame. You don’t know what the meaning of it.

 

[mike2000 is back]

LOL.. Now you blame Iranian government. @SOHEIL Pls come here and comment. One smart alect Vietnamese claim Iran problem is becos of incompetent of Iranian government. Care to share your opinion?

It's also all about interests if it will serve the country's interests overall given their current situation and geo political circumstances. Talk of pride and bla bla bla is all just talk, shouldn't matter in geopolitics. China( under Mao of all people) made a 360° U-turn towards the West in the early 70s which shocked the world since Maoist China was so anti West that nobody imagined they could turn to normalise relations with the West under any condition. So will you also say Mao and CCP LEADERS had/have no pride like some Chinese on here claim about Vietnam?
Obviously not. China saw the Soviet Union as a far bigger threat(the sought Soviets and even threatened to nuke Beijing at one point) and sought a bigger backer by allying with the West. Nothing wrong there . It's all about interests. So Vietnam normalizing relations and getting closer to the West was even more justifiable in my opinion

 

[Beast]

It's also all about interests if it will serve the country's interests overall given their current situation and geo political circumstances. Talk of pride and bla bla bla is all just talk, shouldn't matter in geopolitics. China( under Mao of all people) made a 360° U-turn towards the West in the early 70s which shocked the world since Maoist China was so anti West that nobody imagined they could turn to normalise relations with the West under any condition. So will you also say Mao and CCP LEADERS had/have no pride like some Chinese on here claim about Vietnam?
Obviously not. China saw the Soviet Union as a far bigger threat(the sought Soviets and even threatened to nuke Beijing at one point) and sought a bigger backer by allying with the West. Nothing wrong there . It's all about interests. So Vietnam normalizing relations and getting closer to the West was even more justifiable in my opinion

Can I say for US and western countries too? The western countries with their value of democracy and freedom shock the world when they are willing to work with an authoritarian like China in the 70s, abandoning their philosophy just to counter Soviet?

The point is this little Vietnamese claim Iran sold their country to China just becos they allow investment and sell oil to China. Perhaps you shall quote the Vietnamese and tell him your point and the one who aligned with Western now.

 

[haidian]

It's also all about interests if it will serve the country's interests overall given their current situation and geo political circumstances. Talk of pride and bla bla bla is all just talk, shouldn't matter in geopolitics. China( under Mao of all people) made a 360° U-turn towards the West in the early 70s which shocked the world since Maoist China was so anti West that nobody imagined they could turn to normalise relations with the West under any condition. So will you also say Mao and CCP LEADERS had/have no pride like some Chinese on here claim about Vietnam?
Obviously not. China saw the Soviet Union as a far bigger threat(the sought Soviets and even threatened to nuke Beijing at one point) and sought a bigger backer by allying with the West. Nothing wrong there . It's all about interests. So Vietnam normalizing relations and getting closer to the West was even more justifiable in my opinion

You got it all wrong, it's US that was courting China back then, not the other way around, that's why Kissinger and Nixon came to China to see Mao, Mao never traveled to US.

 

[OIO]

I have said it time and time again, that it is high time that Pakistan and Pakistanis get their act together and focus on building the country. Because when 200 million Pakistanis stop bickering amongst themselves like a bunch of children. Then we can focus on restructuring, reforming and rebuilding our education system. Pakistan must rebuild, standardize and make our education system of the highest quality, being made available (through subsidies, or making affordable, or making it free) for ALL Pakistani children.

Pakistanis, when focused, can eradicate and eliminate corruption culture from within our society. The elimination of corruption from all the segments of our society, political, social, trade, institutional and media. Will liberate Pakistan to become a strong, powerful and undisputed "King Country" in the region. The term, "King Country" comes from the idea, that when a nation is free from corruption, anarchy, FITNA. Then it's citizens feel like Kings in their own country. And Pakistanis deserve to feel this way, when they work hard to eliminate the stains of corruption, lying, backstabbing and inhuman acts from within us.

Today, China invests in Iran, which is a wonderful and amazing news. But what China, Iran, Russia, Pakistan and any other free nation doesn't realize is, that we need to be strong from within for not only ourselves, but more importantly for our allies. A strong and powerful Pakistan and a strong and powerful Iran, would prove to be a HUGE boost for Russia-China Alliance sphere. A stong, united nations of Pakistan and Iran would also give Central Asian States a huge incentive to become more involved in the Russia-China Alliance.

Pakistan MUST become united and strong, eliminate corruption and restructure education to be made freely available to our children. And equally importantly, there must be a "Paradigm Shift" in Pakistani mentality, to look West (At Iran, Arabia, Turkey & Central Asia) and to look North (At Russia and China) in terms of cultural ties, exchanges and friendships. Pakistanis have BURN the Indian Bollywood obsession to ashes, and eliminate any semblence of India's existence. The moment Pakistanis begin to shun the Indian obsession, in that moment, Pakistanis will start becoming stronger and looking within themselves to rectify the ills within us.


The world is big, there are many nations in it and we are Pakistan, we have to make ourselves united and strong. Then watch how the world shows us respect, when we begin to respect ourselves and follow the Sunnah of Nabi Muhmmad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam.

Nations want peace and development should stay close together.

 

[haidian]

And so it is.... equally important that it was Pakistan which acted as bridge between the two great powers.

Sino-Pak Relation is of very different kind!

IronBrothers then... IronBrothers now!!!

Yes, it was secretly made through Pakistan, we remember the help, it changed the whole world.

 

[mike2000 is back]

You got it all wrong, it's US that was courting China back then, not the other way around, that's why Kissinger and Nixon came to China to see Mao, Mao never traveled to US.

The US wanted China on their side to add another element which could surround and threatened the Soviet Union even more. It was just another added bonus for the US against it's long global fight with the Soviet Union. In fact the US courted almost every country they could so that they could have even more allies against the Soviets . Both the US and USSR were courting allies around the world and engage in a race to show the world and other non aligned countries that they were more advanced and had the best system to attract more countries to their cause. So does that mean that every country the US courted should have joined the US ? Of course No. China or should I say Mao joined the US because it suited China's interests against the Soviets. China had been embroiled in a very hostile relationship with the Soviets(they 2 countries even almost went to war at one point ). So China needed a big backer to balance relations with a far more powerful USSR, since Mao knew that China was no match for the Soviet juggernaut in an actual conflict. So Mao was being pragmatic for once. Nobody forced him(and nobody could anyway). So this excuse of 'it was the US who courted China and so Mao had no choice than to join the US' is ..............I don't even know which word to use here. .
By that logic Cuba should have joined the US since US also courted Fidel Castro's Cuba and sought to bring him to their side but failed and had to use other means. Many other examples I can metioned, but that's another topic.

 

[haidian]

The US wanted China on their side to add another element which could surround and threatened the Soviet Union even more. It was just another added bonus for the US against it's long global fight with the Soviet Union. In fact the US courted almost every country they could so that they could have even more allies against the Soviets . Both the US and USSR were courting allies around the world and engage in a race to show the world and other non aligned countries that they were more advanced and had the best system to attract more countries to their cause. So does that mean that every country the US courted should have joined the US ? Of course No. China or should I say Mao joined the US because it suited China's interests against the Soviets. China had been embroiled in a very hostile relationship with the Soviets(they 2 countries even almost went to war at one point ). So China needed a big backer to balance relations with a far more powerful USSR, since Mao knew that China was no match for the Soviet juggernaut in an actual conflict. So Mao was being pragmatic for once. Nobody forced him(and nobody could anyway). So this excuse of 'it was the US who courted China and so Mao had no choice than to join the US' is ..............I don't even know which word to use here. .
By that logic Cuba should have joined the US since US also courted Fidel Castro's Cuba and sought to bring him to their side but failed and had to use other means. Many other examples I can metioned, but that's another topic.

US was so hell bent to court China to the point that it's hard for China to say no, US can be very persistent sometimes.

 

[OIO]

And so it is.... equally important that it was Pakistan which acted as bridge between the two great powers.

Sino-Pak Relation is of very different kind!

IronBrothers then... IronBrothers now!!!

Very unique in the world, different culture different system but long term friendship.
Pakistan has been with China since China was poor and weak, now it's your harvest time.

 

[haidian]

We remember Pakistan standing with China when China was the international outcast and no one wanted to be our friends, that moral support in the international community was so valuable to China during those difficult times.

 

[Viet]

US was so hell bent to court China to the point that it's hard for China to say no, US can be very persistent sometimes.

You and lame excuses! US courts you so hard so you can’t say No. Is China a young virgin girl or what?
Can you tell why Iran can’t normalize relationship to the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia?

 

[haidian]

You and lame excuses! US courts you so hard so you can’t say No. Is China a young virgin girl or what?
Can you tell why Iran can’t normalize relationship to the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia?

It's a hard fact, China killed hundreds of thousands US soldiers in Korean war so the animosity was overbearing, Nixon yet was so determined to normalize relations with PRC even at cost of dumping decades old ally Taiwan, they made such a big concession and his aide Kissinger traveled multiply times to China expressing Nixon's wish to be invited to visit China, China is a sensible country , we respond to good wills and gestures.

 

[mike2000 is back]

US was so hell bent to court China to the point that it's hard for China to say no, US can be very persistent sometimes.

Ok I see. So it was US persistence that made Mao make a complete U turn in all his previous rhetorics.

 

[haidian]

Ok I see. So it was US persistence that made Mao make a complete U turn in all his previous rhetorics.

US made the U turn towards China, why do you always get the sequence all wrong?