CHINA TO BECOME WORLD'S LARGEST CHRISTIAN NATION BY MID-CENTURY

[huzihaidao12]

exactly yes.... in india they are just selling their religion...

there are giving money to poors if they convert their religion to christianity... there were some reports that money comes indirectly threw Vatican city.....

this is another kind of terrorism

You do not know how bad Christianity is reflected in the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, they are completely self with a "save others", and then they all get a meet, a spiritual consumption. In fact, in addition to see, did not do anything, they bring goods stacked side, the victims even can not use, just for the Christian People have their own living in the affected areas, interferes with the normal disaster relief activities when other people do all can to do. Buddhism, Taoism, Islam has a very great performance, a silent work for the victims, not even propaganda to comparison with a large Christian propaganda.

 

[dvk_1982]

i cant come to grips how religions are used to expand influence and clout.. . why dont they just leave religion as a personal stuff, alas that wudnot help gain power centres ... this drive to expand religion itself makes it not what it claims to be.. closer to truth and selflessness. This is greed.

 

[oceanx]

Ignore him buddy.

Oceanx is a well-known troll, and not even a good one. Some trolls are at least clever, but this one is not.

Yeah you go knock some sense into that noggin! I know you'd come in handy - just the kind of baby-sitter frozen boy needs to stay on track.

You go sista ...

 

[ptldM3]

You do not know how bad Christianity is reflected in the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, they are completely self with a "save others", and then they all get a meet, a spiritual consumption. In fact, in addition to see, did not do anything, they bring goods stacked side, the victims even can not use, just for the Christian People have their own living in the affected areas, interferes with the normal disaster relief activities when other people do all can to do. Buddhism, Taoism, Islam has a very great performance, a silent work for the victims, not even propaganda to comparison with a large Christian propaganda.

Give me a freaking break, Christians have raised millions for disaster releif all over the world, regardless of religion, andfor what it's worth much of the money is donated, so there is no attempt to 'convert' anyone.

I didn't know there are so many two faced racists here.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Give me a freaking break, Christians have raised millions for disaster releif all over the world, regardless of religion, and if it matters much of the money is donated, so there is no attempt to 'convert' anyone.

I didn't know there are so many two faced racists here.

Oh? Then I feel strange that why it happened in China, those Christians? Can you explain?

 

[ptldM3]

Oh? Then I will also wonder why such a bad performance occurs Christianity in China? Can you explain?

English, do you speak it?

 

[huzihaidao12]

Of course, I also hope you can explain why the colonists would be called "saints", those colonists who were stained with the blood of the Chinese people and plundering the wealth of Chinese people would be a "saint"? Can you explain?

 

[huzihaidao12]

English, do you speak it?

I'm sorry, how are you feeling now?

 

[ptldM3]

Of course, I also hope you can explain why the colonists would be called "saints", those colonists who were stained with the blood of the Chinese people and plundering the wealth of Chinese people would be a "saint"? Can you explain?

And these 'colonists' are? Some backround information with a link would be nice.

 

[huzihaidao12]

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中國強烈抗議梵蒂岡封聖

加封聖徒的儀式在梵蒂岡聖彼德廣場舉行



中國強烈抗議梵蒂岡在今天（10月1日）舉行的加封聖徒儀式。

羅馬天主教皇約翰保羅二世在梵蒂岡加封了第一批中國聖徒。這些聖徒除了87名中國的天主教徒外，還有33名來自法國、意大利和西班牙的傳教士。他們大多都是在19世紀發生的鴉片戰爭和義和團運動中為宗教信仰而死。

影響雙邊關係

中國外交部發表聲明，譴責梵蒂岡把曾經在中國“奸淫搶掠，為非作歹”的一些外國傳教士和其追隨者封為聖人是對中國人民的一種公然挑舋的行為和極大的侮辱。

聲明中說，這次封聖活動將對梵蒂岡與中國的關係造成嚴重打擊。

中國從前還沒有受封的聖徒。梵蒂岡認為，在諸如中國這類國家封聖徒有利於加強教徒的信仰。

十﹒一時機



中國官方天主教會不承認梵蒂岡權威


加封儀式在梵蒂岡聖彼德廣場舉行，出席者包括數千名華人。但是沒有來自大陸參加者，因為北京當局不允許中國大陸的天主教徒參加這次儀式。有一名助理主教來自香港，另外十名來自台灣。

中國把教皇加封中國第一批聖徒的計劃看成是一種挑舋，尤其是梵蒂岡把這次加封活動安排在中國的國慶節---十月一日。

中國官方天主教會說，梵蒂岡選擇在十﹒一中國國慶這一天加封聖徒是對中國的侮辱和推崇殖民主義。 中國認為鴉片戰爭和義和團運動都是反抗外國殖民者的戰爭。

中國政府對宗教活動嚴格控制。由於教皇承認台灣而不承認北京，中國與梵蒂岡的關係一直不睦。

"不糾纏歷史"

中國政府發表聲明，指責這些新加封的中國聖徒犯下了巨大的罪行，但梵蒂岡駁斥了中國的這種說法。

梵蒂岡堅持說，這次加封聖徒的活動並沒有任何政治意義。教皇說這不是討論歷史的時候，羅馬教廷僅僅是在加封聖徒。

羅馬教廷此次加封的聖徒還包括美國的民權人士，和倆位首次出自西班牙巴斯克地區和蘇丹的聖徒。這顯示梵蒂岡希望向外界傳達，今天的天主教會確實是個多元民族的教會。

 

[huzihaidao12]

Chinese Foreign Ministry Strongly Protests Against Vatican "Canonization"


2000/11/15


On October 1, 2000, Chinese Foreign Ministry issued a statement to express its utmost indignation and strong protest against a ceremony held by the Vatican, "canonizing" a number of foreign missionaries and their followers who have committed notorious crimes in China.


Following is the full text of the statement:


In disregard of the strong opposition of the Chinese side, the Vatican held on October 1, a ceremony for the "canonization" of a number of foreign missionaries and their followers, who committed notorious crimes in China. The Government, people and the Catholic Church of China hereby express their utmost indignation and strong protest against this act.


As is known to all, some foreign Catholic missionaries were the very perpetrators and accomplices in colonialist and imperialist invasion of China in the contemporary history. Some of those "canonized" by the Vatican this time perpetrated outrages such as raping and looting in China and committed unforgivable crimes against the Chinese people. With regard to these crimes, the Vatican has never repented. Instead, it has now gone so far as to "canonize" these evil-doing sinners. This is a flagrant provocation against the Chinese people, an act aimed at reversing the verdict on the history of colonialist and imperialist invasion of China, and a gross insult to the Chinese people' patriotic resistance against foreign aggression and oppression. In doing so, the Vatican has seriously hurt the national pride and dignity of the Chinese people.


The Vatican, while expressing its intention to improve its relations with China, has time and again gone against its own commitment to non-interference in China's internal affairs and that on the question of Taiwan. Now it has stubbornly insisted on the "canonization", which has severely damaged the very basis of the normalization of China-Vatican relations. It will exert a grave negative impact on the normalization process. The Vatican should be held responsible for all this.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Do you know what those "saints" done in China?

 

[ptldM3]

Wow either you do not know the difference between Catholicism and Christianity or you do not read your links, either way you are a racist. I also fail to see how a few bad Catholics have any correlation to Christianity in China. I really do find it sad how you and your other brother are trying everything possible to smear Christianity, whether it be posting some bogus link or comparing Christianity to 'prostitutes', shouting for the expulsion of Christians, or proclaiming that Christians need to be stomped out like bugs.

I'll take a saint over a racist anyday.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Wow either you do not know the difference between Catholicism and Christianity or you do not read your links, either way you are a racist. I also fail to see how a few bad Catholics have any correlation to Christianity in China. I really do find it sad how you and your other brother are trying everything possible to smear Christianity, whether it be posting some bogus link or comparing Christianity to 'prostitutes', shouting for the expulsion of Christians, or proclaiming that Christians need to be stomped out like bugs.

I'll take a saint over a racist anyday.

It is important to explain the "Christian" and "Catholic" is called "Christian" in China, the general sense. China's special habits.

Others, can only say that you need to be responsible for own behavior, I did not say that all Christianity is bad, in fact, some are good, but you have a bad image in China, simply because of your behavior, you need to bring a reflection, not blame innocent people. If you are even willing to choose a colonists as "Saint", your freedom, you can choose any day, So, you should not be surprised by the attitude of the Chinese people, this is our choice, freedom.

 

[oceanx]

Do you know what those "saints" done in China?

When it comes down to it, the CCP and government could only specifically object to the canonization of two of these "saints", Albericus Crescitelli and Auguste Chapdelaine, out of a total of 120 when the Vatican ritual took place in 2000.

It's actually not clear to me whether Chapdelaine himself did anything wrong at all. On this Crescitelli I won't comment for the Catholic church has never had a shortage of perverts in robes ...

You know as well as I do that the historical Catholic Church and the various popes have done far worse than canonizing a gigolo and rapist from time to time.

We'll just leave it at that.

However, in the spirit of Chairman Mao's "three fingers vs seven", how many "fingers"' worth do you think Matteo Ricci and Sabatino de Ursis of the Italian Jesuits should get for bringing Euclidean geometry and to a large measure geography itself and map science to China? Not to mention the Jesuits' contribution to the Chinese understanding of astronomy and science in general?

BTW, "Eastern" Christianity in the form of 景教 (Manichaeism-influenced Nestorian Christianity) in Western China has been as old as Buddhism itself.