China to attack Vietnam?

[Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ]

Vietnamese is very funny, they really though they are invincible in world , Ho Chi Minh crown themself the 3rd super power by talking.
And you though viet will be fully armed after few yrs? may be they will armed with some more new weapon, but the gap between chinand viet will growing bigger! In both military and economically. Vietnam is now the one who cannot affort a war with china.

In both military and economically. Vietnam have usually been the one who cannot afford a war with china. But they still won times and times

 

[gambit]

The U.S.-Vietnam War set back Vietnam's development by 40 years.

The U.S.-Vietnam War broke the back of your country.

Wrong. Communism set Viet Nam back all those decades. During the Vietnam War, Chinese and the Soviets aided North Viet Nam with Soviet aid must passed through China, who then did much to delay those aid to steal some for China. After the Vietnam War, Soviets and Chinese ships were able to access Viet Nam by sea and Cam Ranh Bay became a major port for Soviets and Chinese ships.

Vietnam-FOREIGN TRADE AND AID

In the 1980s, the Vietnamese government, acting under party supervision, continued to regulate and control all foreign trade. The Ministry of Foreign Trade managed trade and was responsible for issuing of import and export licenses and approving any departures from the formal economic plan on an ad hoc basis. There was considerable division of responsibility, however, among high level agencies, financial institutions, state trading corporations, local export companies, and provincial and regional government bodies.

The role of planning in foreign trade became increasingly significant after June 1978, when the country formally joined the Soviet-sponsored Council for Mutual Economic Assistance ( Comecon--see Glossary) and began to coordinate its five-year development and trade plans more closely with those of the Soviet Union and other Comecon members. Planning officials set trade goals on the basis of the overall planning targets and quotas required by bilateral trade agreements with various Comecon countries. The 1978 Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the Soviet Union and Vietnam, the most important of numerous such agreements with Comecon members, established the basis for the two countries' "long-term coordination of their national economic plans" and for long-term Soviet development assistance in technology and other crucial sectors of the Vietnamese economy. A 1981 Soviet-Vietnamese protocol on coordination of state plans during the Third Five-Year Plan set specific targets for bilateral trade and for coordination of Soviet machinery and equipment exports with plans for development of Vietnam's fuel and energy sectors.

Lie all you want but your lies cannot cover up the truth.

 

[IndianArmy]

China Attacking Vietnam? What on earth am I hearing?

 

[teddy]

In both military and economically. Vietnam have usually been the one who cannot afford a war with china. But they still won times and times

But the fact is, both china and U.S didn't really losed to vietnam, they didn't use their full power to crush vietnam, and retreated. Vietnam may be won the battle, but real war didn't happen at all.

 

[IndianArmy]

But the fact is, both china and U.S didn't really losed to vietnam, they didn't use their full power to crush vietnam, and retreated. Vietnam may be win the battle, but real war didn't happen at all.

USA and China retreated because they dint want to crush Vietnam in a full fledged battle.??!! How cute

 

[teddy]

USA and China retreated because they dint want to crush Vietnam in a full fledged battle.??!! How cute

I tell you what, if U.S what to crush vietnam, they could. Do you know why american use nuclear bomb at japanese? the reason is same case with vietnam, they are facing soilders with death wise! they could have great casualty and a long long time to take over japan, if they don't use nuclear bomb.
But for vietnam, they cannot do it again. They will need to face great casualty. Of course, if they insist, they will still win. but under political pressure, they give it up. Actually it is not the vietnamese won the war, it is american people help vietnamese won the war.

 

[IndianArmy]

I tell you what, if U.S what to crush vietnam, they could. Do you know why american use nuclear bomb at japanese? the reason is same case with vietnam, they are facing soilders with death wise! they could have great casualty and a long long time to take over japan, if they don't use nuclear bomb.
But for vietnam, they cannot do it again. They will need to face great casualty. Of course, if they insist, they will still win. but under political pressure, they give it up. Actually it is not the vietnamese won the war, it is american people help vietnamese won the war.

So you come to say It could have all been ended in a missile if Americans really wanted it to... Any specific reasons which you can ponder why they chose to adopt a conventional battle method instead? And Americans now are allies of Vietnam and of the Country they dropped Nuclear weapon"Japan" , so the odd man out is obviously one which the thread speaks about. What was China's reason for not ending up in a clean shot?

 

[teddy]

In both military and economically. Vietnam have usually been the one who cannot afford a war with china. But they still won times and times

HAHA! do you know why? because vietnam people have nothing to lose in 70s. what a shame.

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So you come to say It could have all been ended in a missile if Americans really wanted it to... Any specific reasons which you can ponder why they chose to adopt a conventional battle method instead? And Americans now are allies of Vietnam and of the Country they dropped Nuclear weapon"Japan" , so the odd man out is obviously one which the thread speaks about. What was China's reason for not ending up in a clean shot?

What i am talking is american can win if they insist. without nuclear bomb.

 

[NoMoney]

USA lose the war is not because of poor weapon, but because of wrong tactic. their tactic idea is old WW2 style. thats why they lose it. So after vietnam war they developed new tactic and suitable equipment, and it shows their power in iraq, yugoslavia and afghanistan. Just try to ask any USA member to prove I am wrong.
Thought out these day with vietnamese member, I know they are lack of knownledge of modern warefare. they still stick into old style peoples war(or jungle war), Or dreaming of using new weapon to fight peoples war. I will say they just won't make it. It is destinate to lose the war.

And china don't have the money? For gods sake! Please update your economic knowledge. or ask any USA member. They know better than you do.

Wrong, US's tactic still the same like VN war,reconnaissance, Air strike with AWACS's guide, some black ops like Tay SOn raid for killing BIn Laden (and make people thought they have stealth helicopter), jam enemies's radar, cruise missile etc... They jsut upgrade every thing, but nothing New.

You're the one lack of knownledge of modern warefare.Show me what kind of weapon you have but USA did not have during VN war ?? Even now, I never headr CHina can send men to the Moon by your own spaceship like USA- SOvet, CHina seems still stick to 70s , but they think they too strong already

 

[teddy]

Wrong, US's tactic still the same like VN war,reconnaissance, Air strike with AWACS's guide, some black ops like Tay SOn raid for killing BIn Laden (and make people thought they have stealth helicopter), jam enemies's radar, cruise missile etc... They jsut upgrade every thing, but nothing New.

You're the one lack of knownledge of modern warefare.Show me what kind of weapon you have but USA did not have during VN war ?? Even now, I never headr CHina can send men to the Moon by your own spaceship like USA- SOvet, CHina seems still stick to 70s , but they think they too strong already

You better find it yourself, it is too many.

 

[IndianArmy]

What i am talking is american can win if they insist. without nuclear bomb.

Are you an Inside agent of the CIA or the Vietnamese army that your words must be taken for granted? Do you have any reasons to believe so, present it.

 

[NoMoney]

You better find it yourself, it is too many.

Oh, but i can not find any CHina spaceship like USA in 1969

 

[NoMoney]

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So can those guys perform the black ops like Tay Son raid (same kind with killing Bin Laden mission) like US's

The Son Tay Raid

, or VietNam "mud" men destroy China "Xin bolin" radar ??

 

[Martian2]

Wrong, US's tactic still the same like VN war,reconnaissance, Air strike with AWACS's guide, some black ops like Tay SOn raid for killing BIn Laden (and make people thought they have stealth helicopter), jam enemies's radar, cruise missile etc... They jsut upgrade every thing, but nothing New.

You're the one lack of knownledge of modern warefare.Show me what kind of weapon you have but USA did not have during VN war ?? Even now, I never headr CHina can send men to the Moon by your own spaceship like USA- SOvet, CHina seems still stick to 70s , but they think they too strong already

Chinese YJ-62: Now being marketed as a long-range anti-ship cruise missile, it could also form the basis for a long-range land attack cruise missile [such as the DH-10 LACM]. (Source: Internet) Launch of a 'Tomahawk-like' PLA-N YJ-62/C-602 cruise missile.

DH-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The DongHai 10 (DH-10) (East Sea 10) is a cruise missile developed in the People's Republic of China by the Third Academy by CASIC.

According to Janes, the DH-10 is a second-generation land-attack cruise missile (LACM), integrated inertial navigation system, GPS, terrain contour mapping system, and digital scene-matching terminal-homing system.[3] The missile is estimated to have a circular error probable (CEP) of 10 meters. In 2008, a Pentagon report estimated the range of the DH-10 as over 4,000 km and that from 50 to 250 missiles had been deployed[1]"

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1,800 short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs) available from the Taiwan sector to bombard Hanoi.

DF-11A SRBM

DF-15B SRBM

[Note: Picture and caption sources for YJ-62 are PLA Cruise Missiles / PLA Air - Surface Missiles and International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > Bypassing the NMD: China and the Cruise Missile Proliferation Problem. Picture and caption source for DF-11A and DF-15B is China Military Power Mashup*|* China Strategic Striking Missiles.]

 

[NoMoney]

Chinese YJ-62: Now being marketed as a long-range anti-ship cruise missile, it could also form the basis for a long-range land attack cruise missile [such as the DH-10 LACM]. (Source: Internet) Launch of a 'Tomahawk-like' PLA-N YJ-62/C-602 cruise missile.

DH-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The DongHai 10 (DH-10) (East Sea 10) is a cruise missile developed in the People's Republic of China by the Third Academy by CASIC.

According to Janes, the DH-10 is a second-generation land-attack cruise missile (LACM), integrated inertial navigation system, GPS, terrain contour mapping system, and digital scene-matching terminal-homing system.[3] The missile is estimated to have a circular error probable (CEP) of 10 meters. In 2008, a Pentagon report estimated the range of the DH-10 as over 4,000 km and that from 50 to 250 missiles had been deployed[1]"

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1,800 short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs) available from the Taiwan sector to bombard Hanoi.

DF-11A SRBM

DF-15B SRBM

[Note: Picture and caption sources for YJ-62 are PLA Cruise Missiles / PLA Air - Surface Missiles and International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > Bypassing the NMD: China and the Cruise Missile Proliferation Problem. Picture and caption source for DF-11A is China Military Power Mashup*|* China Strategic Striking Missiles ]

poor missile, check again US's missile during 60s

Between 1957 and 1961 the United States followed an ambitious and well-funded program to develop a nuclear-powered cruise missile, Project Pluto. It was designed to fly below the enemy's radar at speeds above Mach 3 and carry a number of hydrogen bombs that it would drop on its path over enemy territory. Although the concept was proven sound and the 500 megawatt engine finished a successful test run in 1961, no airworthy device was ever completed. The project was finally abandoned in favor of ICBM development

Cruise missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

we share the border, bro, no need the range of 4000km, it's over VN teritory