China Should Send Troops to Fight ISIS

[sword1947]

the US & NATO are fighting with ISIS, but support Uyghur terrorist in China, So don't espect any help from us, and clear your mess by yourselves

 

[jhungary]

A very interesting analysis, Gary. The issue of the radicalization of some cells in Xinjiang is a real threat, albeit the fact that the majority of Uighyurs in China are integrating, some are being radicalized from abroad , where they are influenced by Salafist Jihad Doctrines. In fact, the same problem is affecting Pakistan's own northwestern Khyber region where Taliban --- through support from abroad--- continue to be a problem for Pakistan's own internal security. In fact there was a thread started by @Horus --- which inquired about the possibility of Pakistan contributing to the fight against ISIS. It seems -- to me that is-- that many countries in ASIA, including Pakistan, China, now Japan and many others have their national security at stake due to the possibility of ISIS supporters crossing intO our borders.

I should also say what the US is doing now is what they are supposed to do in OIF, dont care about jack shit.

ISIS is going to grow, simply becuase sadly the whole region (Iraq included) think this mess is an American mess, the syria think so, the Iraqi think so, the Pakistani think so and eell, probably all around ME with the exception of, ironically Iran. Iran have been saying all along the Iraqi situation is no good for ME, and it would be a breeding ground for state like ISIS, in all these ME country, only Iran actually did pick up a fight to ISIS when it is still not the business.

As far as american goes, dont think they will send ground troop overthere, what the American doing is what exactly what they should have done first time around, only this time they really do not care, the reason is simple , even tho ISIS is a terrorist ideology, the majority of their operation is not insurgency but a conventional battle aimed at taking and holding land. US can set to look at a few of it journo of NGO, people US government dislike anyway, getting beheaded but if they are contained about.land grabbing campaign, US is sitting pretty far far away and as long as ISIS remain so, there are no appetite for US to go to war again, and ISIS know the current situation and they will not resort to anything but conventional warfare.

On the otherhand, land grabbing mean ISIS is heading East, The only thing literally holding the ISIS in place is currently the Iranian, bit they cant hold forever and one day, the world gonna wake up to the ISIS spread across Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then China will wake up to the fact ISIS is around the corner.

Again, the real question is would it be too late? Is there are more to lose if they intervene now, or wait until ISIS move east? Dont forget China have by far the largest amount of infidel in those crazy ISIS eyes, and their job is to clear the world of infidel. At this point either Turkey, or Saudi can still defeat ISIS, cant gurantee what happened next

 

[TaiShang]

But ISIS is US's enemy，and The US is our Enemy，so ISIS should be our friend.Just like the US supported Al Kaeda to fight Soviet Union.What part don't you understand？It's just Chinese don't have the guts and don't care about ISIS，but that doesn't change the fact that ISIS should be our friend.

LOL. The problem is, the ISIS appears to be the new enemy of the US, but, a former ally against Assad. So, there is no guarantee that the enemy will not become a friend again.

On the internet, there are pictures of Senator McCain posing with these terrorists clad in arms.

So, making friends with these kind of people is very risky. Besides, China does a decent job of competing the US on other areas such as high-tech and economic development.

If China is involved in the ISIS mess, in any way (supporting against the US or fighting it alongside the US), the US will use it against China because it is the US that really manages all the terrorism in the region. Their connections with Turkey and Gulf countries enable them to play behind the scene. China cannot match the US in this respect.

Besides, there is the blowback problem. Today you feed ISIS, and next day it may come up and bite your hand.

Just stay clear of the mess, which is what China has been doing and will do.

This what Americans are doing in Asia, trying to stir up trouble knowing that Japan and some other south Asians countries don't get along well with China. We can very well reciprocate by helping ISIS, Iran and other American's foe in south America but I think China don't want to use up options vis-a-vis US (打草惊蛇) but be patient and study further American imperialism behavior and their agressiveness pattern on war fighting so we can prepare ourself better when time to settle some scores.

Yes, being mindful of the enemy is very important. But, in foreign relations, hasty decisions always end in disaster. It is a particular US problem (created in large part by them). Remember how Obama got mad when China-Russia vetoed his resolutions that aimed at arming and training the very terrorists that today some guys asking China to fight against?

 

[somsak]

This war is about instability created for destabilze Syria so that the Shiite oil n gas pipeline proposed by Iran, namely Iran, iraq Syria pipeline to europe, is infeasible.
2nd objective is to strengthen Islael by weaken her arch opponent, Syria.
3rd and final goal is to isolate Iran. The last one is importsnt to China.

Having said that, there are options China should do to help Iran. But China ultimate goal is peace and stability of Eurasia under new silk road. The US ultimate goal is to divide land mass eurasia into islands of hate and war. This is to control the oil flow, and to provide reason for US bases in central Asia. China big question is how to create peace. And Sun Tsu will tell you that the best win is to win without a fight. I say China ultimste goal is to create stability and connectivity prerequisit for New silk road without firing a shot.

 

[TaiShang]

ISIS keeping US busy is good news for Russia and China.

That's the plus for China, really. Just watch the US get itself busy. Gives China larger breathing room in the Asia-Pacific theater.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

FYI China has already committed to drone ISIS.


Iraqi Foreign Minister Ibrahim Jafari says that his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, has made an offer to help Iraq fight Islamic State militants. Beijing has volunteered to assist with airstrikes, though it will not join the US-led coalition against ISIS.

China offers military help to Iraq to defeat ISIS – report — RT News


To stop all the wasteful discussion, China may have already sent troops into Iraq in the form of droning.

 

[Pangu]

The ISIS is so sophiscated that she even provide an annual report of investment and expenditure. ISIS is not simple insurgencies, she has brought insurgencies to a new level of accountability and corporate responsibility. ISIS is the brainchild of patriotic reactionary Sunni with full support of technocrat.

People who think that ISIS as a shitbag terrorist need to have their brain check.

Why intervene Sunni Arabs' nation building.

http://azelin.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/al-binc481-magazine-1.pdf

Impressive! Hahaha, can someone decipher the info for us?

 

[Steakhouse]

Don't step into a quicksand to lift someone out of it, too many group fighting against each other in the Middle East without a end goal for the war, Assad troop fight for their life, moderate rebel fight Assad army supported by the west, Iran and Shiite fight with Assad, Russian involved in the messed, Kurdist fight against ISIS and Syria, Turkey don't support Kurdistan out of fear Kurd will fight for their independent, you have Saudi support the rebel or the extremist. Turkey allow extremist pass through their territory to fight in the region. Total mess for anyone involved in the Middle East.

 

[TaiShang]

This war is about instability created for destabilze Syria so that the Shiite oil n gas pipeline proposed by Iran, namely Iran, iraq Syria pipeline to europe, is infeasible.
2nd objective is to strengthen Islael by weaken her arch opponent, Syria.
3rd and final goal is to isolate Iran. The last one is importsnt to China.

Having said that, there are options China should do to help Iran. But China ultimate goal is peace and stability of Eurasia under new silk road. The US ultimate goal is to divide land mass eurasia into islands of hate and war. This is to control the oil flow, and to provide reason for US bases in central Asia. China big question is how to create peace. And Sun Tsu will tell you that the best win is to win without a fight. I say China ultimste goal is to create stability and connectivity prerequisit for New silk road without firing a shot.

Very well put, sir.

China, by standing with Iran and Syria against the ISIS, Nusra and FSA terrorists, has made clear its political positioning.

Russia provides arms to Syrian government that fights the ISIS and other foreign-backed terrorists.

At this point, China can only provide political help. It can also sell weaponry to countries such as Iran and Iraq that fight the terrorists.

But China can never side with the countries that created and sustained the terrorism in the region, to begin with.

This is against China's geopolitical interests.

China needs a strong Iran, Iraq and Syria in the region to balance Turkey and other reactionary Gulf governments that are strictly on the US side.

When it talks about fighting ISIS, in the back of the US mind stands the idea of bringing down the Syrian government, and handing the country over to friendly-terrorists.

China won't help the US and its allies in their quest for domination in the region.

Don't step into a quicksand to lift someone out of it, too many group fighting against each other in the Middle East without a end goal for the war, Assad troop fight for their life, moderate rebel fight Assad army supported by the west, Iran and Shiite fight with Assad, Russian involved in the messed, Kurdist fight against ISIS and Syria, Turkey don't support Kurdistan out of fear Kurd will fight for their independent, you have Saudi support the rebel or the extremist. Turkey allow extremist pass through their territory to fight in the region. Total mess for anyone involved in the Middle East.

Kurds just started to fight the Syrian Army, by the way.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

.....
On the otherhand, land grabbing mean ISIS is heading East, The only thing literally holding the ISIS in place is currently the Iranian, bit they cant hold forever and one day, the world gonna wake up to the ISIS spread across Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then China will wake up to the fact ISIS is around the corner.

Again, the real question is would it be too late? Is there are more to lose if they intervene now, or wait until ISIS move east? Dont forget China have by far the largest amount of infidel in those crazy ISIS eyes, and their job is to clear the world of infidel.

LMAO are you trying to sell ISIS threat to China like Amerians sold China's threat to Asian countries , we Chinese are not naive as you want to believe to be...we don't have problem with ISIS and as an example we even invite al qaeda representives to beijing to have a concilliatory discussion and to make peace with current Afghanistan gorvernment, we Chinese are pragmatic and not lunatic like some westerners want to portray that ISIS and al qaeda as pure evil organization. where ever Americans failed we Chinese will suceede such as Africa, south American.

 

[Sasquatch]

Won't happen, to many reasons.

 

[dlclong]

This glorious mission,The US ally Japan didn't join, Japan does not feel sorry for the u allies?
China have qualified to join the Western-dominated affairs?China always been excluded ,this is "democracy" camp ,This war is to destroy Syria "dictator" , you let the "dictator" to join destroy "freedom fighter"??

Now is the time to show loyalty as an ally of the US, JaPan ,GO

 

[TaiShang]

US hegemonic quest in Mideast creates chaos
Source:Global Times Published: 2015-1-20

Flynt Leverett (left) and Hillary Mann Leverett (right) Photo: Liu Zhun/GT


Editor's Note:

With the rise of the Islamic State (IS), the conflicts in Syria and Iraq, and the struggle between Iran and the West over nuclear issues, the Middle East remained chaotic in 2014. What about 2015? What kind of role will the US play in the regional political landscape? At a seminar held by the Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies, Renmin University of China, Global Times (GT) reporter Liu Zhun talked to Flynt Leverett (Flynt), former senior director of Middle East Affairs at the National Security Council (NSC), and Hillary Mann Leverett (Hillary), former director of Iran, Afghanistan and Persian Gulf Affairs at the NSC, about these issues.

GT: What is your forecast of the situation of the Middle East this year?

Flynt: More and more negative consequences of the failed US drive for the hegemony in the Middle East will become increasingly evident. The US is struggling to come to terms with that.

Washington should reconsider its basic strategy for this region, but President Barack Obama has a great belief in US' hegemonic agenda.

Many analysts in the US argue that Washington should "double-down" on its strategy. But this is the wrong direction.

Hillary: There will be more violence throughout the region - violence encouraged by the US. A potential difference rests on the possibility that an alternative mindset will be brought in by China as it rises. Whether Russia, with the support of China and Iran, can put Syria's conflicts on a different trajectory toward resolution is important - whether they can bring in a different paradigm for conflict resolution. I am not sure they can yet, but I am encouraged by China's rise and its focus on sovereignty and conflict resolution.

GT: If the US changes its course, will the region be a better place?

Flynt: Yes, it will be a better place. The historical record has proven that. For 20 years after China's revolution, the US was doing everything it could to isolate and hurt the People's Republic of China.

After it gave up its hostile policies toward China, China, as well as other East Asian countries, embarked on a long and productive period of economic expansion with rising prosperity for hundreds of millions of people. The Middle East will not be perfect after the US changes its policy, but it will be better.

GT: But the chaos in the Middle East, much of which is driven by religious issues, is more complicated than the conflicts China encountered with the US, which were basically ideological. What do you think of the role of Islam in the chaos of the Middle East?

Hillary: There has been a perception that there is something wrong with Islam and that it is the major contributor to the complications of the problems in the Middle East. But if you look historically, that is not really true. There is no evidence that Muslims are historically terrorists. The head of the IS was in an American prison, where he became more extreme in his own views and forged a network with other extremists.

The perennial chaos of the Middle East, to a large extent, is caused by a long history of military penetration by Western countries such as France, the UK and now the US.

GT: You suggest the US should shift its Middle East policy and pull back from trying to be a hegemon - for example, by restoring ties with Iran. What do you think of Obama's current strategy to the Middle East?

Flynt: People are talking about the Obama doctrine and his being less interventionist. I don't really think that is right. I think the Obama administration is no less committed to so-called global leadership, which is actually hegemony, over strategically important areas like the Middle East. The Obama administration thinks it has a smarter way of promoting that leadership than its immediate predecessor. But that is more a tactical than strategic difference.

GT: Many countries criticize the US for its "double standards" on many international issues. But some US analysts said the US is a victim of "double standards," because many countries hate the US when it leads, but they hate even more when the US doesn't lead. What do you think?

Hillary: This is a deliberate confusion fostered by the US. When we look at the Middle East, we find that governments need the US to provide military and financial support to protect their vested interests, so they hate us even more when we don't lead. But the people of these countries hate when the US leads, because many US-backed governments cannot represent the interests of the people.

GT: China's "One Belt and One Road" project is believed to have a major influence on the Middle East. Will it be a counterbalance of the US' influence in the region?

Flynt: US power in the Persian Gulf is in relative decline. But because it is desperate to cling to its hegemonic ambitions in the region, Washington is trying to put China's interests at risk.

China will decide what its interests are in the Middle East. As an analytic point, though, if China really wants to have an independent and balanced foreign policy, China will need to decide how accommodating it wants to be of US preferences and to what extent it wants to pursue its own interests, even when the US is not necessarily happy about that.

I think the Middle East's engagement in the Silk Road, especially Iran, is going to be a testing ground for China.

Hillary: I think the US will definitely disagree with the project. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the US has really focused on trying to expand its influence, military or otherwise, on Central Asian states in a bid to put pressure on Russia. This has been a consistent theme through both Democratic and Republican administrations.

China's project will unavoidably reach Central Asia, which could lessen interest in those states in aligning with various American projects and make it harder for the US to pressure Russia.

Besides, as Iran is central for both Silk Roads, China's good relationship with Iran will be very problematic for the US interests, and also for its hegemonic ambitions across the entire Middle East.

If Iran benefits from this project and rises to be a more powerful force to challenge the influence of Saudi Arabia, Israel and eventually the US, Washington will try to stop this from happening.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Won't happen, to many reasons.

China offers military help to Iraq to defeat ISIS – report — RT News
There is already some form of collaboration between PRC and Iraqi Shia, but not to the extend of throwing in division.

I would argue that the current intervention level of PRC is appropriate. PRC should not intervene too much in Sunni Arab nation building, but Sunni Islamofascism is a threat to PRC.

So long it is contain in Levant Sunni land, it should be tolerated. If Kurdistan or Shia land fall, then Sunni Islamofascsim will get a bigger morale boost and give more problem to the world.

 

[Kompromat]

It will be a very bad idea.