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does the new avionics means

new Radar?
does the new avionics also means IRST.

Raad h2/h4 integration done?
adding new pylon done?
weight reduction done?
will the new radar be AESA or PESA or what type?

what about its rrange?

any one has answer to these question

plzz answer them than
 
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Seems PAF's order of 50 more is to speed up the induction of the Regulars and then get into the development of so called semi stealth variant, time is running out. With 5 Squadrons or 100, PAF would then concentrate on remaining 150, the above mentioned semi stealth because PAF can't go for an expensive platform may it be J-11B. I did not understand while I was reading they said the first block will not be upgraded, how is it possible some bad reporting here?
 
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Seems PAF's order of 50 more is to speed up the induction of the Regulars and then get into the development of so called semi stealth variant, time is running out. With 5 Squadrons or 100, PAF would then concentrate on remaining 150, the above mentioned semi stealth because PAF can't go for an expensive platform may it be J-11B. I did not understand while I was reading they said the first block will not be upgraded, how is it possible some bad reporting here?

WHAT IS THIS SEMI STEALTH VARIENT
 
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Thursday, May 19, 2011

China to Speed Up Fighter Jets for Pakistan

Recently, there have been articles all-over-the-place regarding the Sino, US, and Pakistan relations. In addition to the misinformation (one recent article cited the total aid to the Pakistan flood as 28 million, the reality is more than 250 million here and the deployment of four S&R helicopters here)

Most of the articles are so native they are entertaining. Than again, why let facts get in the way of a "good analyses".


Here is an example of an "politically fueled" write up -- one should not draw a conclusion based on an on-going jet project to a complex geo-politic theater of South Asia. It is advised that not to confuse public display due to internal pressure vs long term geo-political reality on the ground.

China to Speed Up Fighter Jets for Pakistan
China to Speed Up Fighter Jets for Pakistan - WSJ.com

By JEREMY PAGE

BEIJING—China has agreed to provide 50 more JF-17 fighter jets to Pakistan on an "expedited" basis, a spokesman for the Pakistani air force said, one of the most concrete illustrations yet of how China could fill the vacuum if the U.S. scales down its aid to Pakistan following the raid that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

The agreement to accelerate supply of the jointly developed jets, the first 50 of which are being assembled in Pakistan, came as Pakistan's Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani held talks in Beijing during a visit that he has used to portray China as an alternative source of military and civilian aid.

The air-force spokesman, a high-ranking officer who declined to be identified by name, said the deal had been reached during Mr. Gilani's four-day visit to China, which concludes Friday following a meeting with Chinese President Hu Jintao.

"We're getting the 50 jets, on top of the ones we already have. Something has been agreed in Beijing, so they'll be expedited," he said, declining to give further details.

Mr. Gilani's visit was arranged long before bin Laden's death raised questions about Pakistan's efforts to hunt down the al Qaeda leader, and the trip is ostensibly to mark the 60th anniversary of bilateral relations on Saturday.

But as political pressure mounts in the U.S. for a review of aid to Pakistan, Mr. Gilani has used his visit to highlight his country's long and increasingly close relationship with China, which he described Tuesday as Pakistan's "best friend".

China is Pakistan's biggest arms supplier and its third-biggest trading partner.

The JF-17 is a potent symbol of the two countries' friendship, and a key part of Pakistan's plans to upgrade its aging fleet of American-supplied F-16s and French-made Mirages and to try to match the air power of neighboring India—its arch rival.

The U.S. has repeatedly delayed delivery of F-16s to Pakistan, and has insisted that they not be used against India, with which Washington is now cultivating a strategic partnership to counterbalance Beijing's clout in Asia.

China and Pakistan began developing the relatively cheap multipurpose fighter in 1999 and Pakistan, which has said it wants 250 of them altogether, inducted its first squadron of JF-17s last year, and a second earlier this year.

The air-force spokesman said he did not know whether the second batch of 50 jets would be assembled in Pakistan or delivered whole from China.

He also declined to discuss whether they would be the basic so-calledBlock I models, like the first batch, or an upgraded Block II version, which military aviation experts say could include radar-evading stealth technology—potentially giving Pakistan that capability for the first time.

Questions also remain over the new jets' engines. The first batch were all fitted with Russian ones, but Russian officials have expressed reservations about supplying more of those engines as Pakistan and China have been marketing the JF-17 in many of Russia's traditional markets.

China has been developing its own engine, but it is still undergoing tests, military aviation experts say.

The Pakistani Embassy declined to provide further details about the deal, and a spokeswoman for Mr. Gilani did not respond to repeated phone calls. China's Foreign and Defense Ministries both declined to comment, as did China's air force and the Chinese company which jointly produces the JF-17 with Pakistan.

China has hailed the strength and longevity of the relationship this week, praising Pakistan's efforts to combat terrorism, and supporting its response to the U.S. raid. Wen Jiabao, the premier, said China and Pakistan would remain friends "forever" when he met Mr. Gilani on Wednesday.

However, Beijing's rhetoric has been more reserved than Pakistan's, reflecting a desire not to antagonize the U.S. or India or to become too entangled in Pakistan's domestic and international problems.

Nonetheless, diplomats and analysts say China sees an opportunity in the aftermath of bin Laden's death to enhance its economic and military influence in Pakistan with a long-term view to containing India's rise, and opening new trade routes to Central Asia and the Middle East.

China and Pakistan are also discussing plans for Pakistan to buy China's more advanced FC-20 fighter, also known as the J-10, Ahmad Mukhtar, Pakistan's defense minister told reporters Wednesday.

Pakistan's efforts to showcase its close ties with China are causing consternation in the U.S.

During a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Tuesday, Republican Senator Jim Risch of Idaho expressed frustration at Mr. Gilani's statement that China was Pakistan's "best friend" despite billions of dollars of U.S. aid over the last decade.

"It just—it just doesn't make sense...Because, frankly, I'm—I'm getting tired of it, and I think Americans are getting tired of it as far as shoveling money in there [to] people who just flat don't like us," he said, according to a transcript.

At a hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee last week, Congressman Michael McCaul (R) of Texas raised particular concern about whether U.S. military aid had been diverted into the JF-17 program.

Write to Jeremy Page at jeremy.page@wsj.com
 
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Well said but I was hoping for the stealthier nose to be an indication of further enhancements to reduce the frontal RCS. There is a thing called frontal aspect stealth e.g. The silent eagle and the silent hornet (Some are even speculating the F-35 not being an all aspect stealth bird).


I dont know much about "Frontal Aspect Stealth", but what i can say about JF17 is that nose is redesigned to fit in AESA/PESA radar, and reason it is being put into "diamond" shape to reduce RCS as u just rightly put in.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is " further enhancement " through research and it could be part of JF17 next block as it evolves over the period, but JF17 can not be rendered as stealth as it would require a complete redesign.
 
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But how can some one made 50 fighters so quickly ?????

May be they are preparing for further export orders since long but as no one is interested in this block so Pakistan is their final option :coffee:
 
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But how can some one made 50 fighters so quickly ?????

May be they are preparing for further export orders since long but as no one is interested in this block so Pakistan is their final option :coffee:

Either way, they are coming on an urgent basis with improved gadgets to play. PAF is already pretty happy with current version so they seem even happier with the second batch, but within weeks? I find it hard to gulp but who knows :O
 
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It has been confirmed from the Chinese media.

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中国人民解放军副总参谋长马晓天上将:“你刚才说的这个事不是我们军方的事情。它是国防工业部门和巴基斯坦合作项目。我们知道这些事,但是具体的一些细节我们不太清楚。”



PLA Deputy Chief of Staff MA Xiao Tian said: "You said this thing is not our military to do. It is the defense industry sector cooperation projects and Pakistan. We know these things, but some specific details we do not know . "
 
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Within weeks doesn't mean all 50 will be delivered... It may mean the delivery will start within weeks, right?
 
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That's very good news but where are the J10's???????? Why aren't we offered those fighters. The deal was finalized last year so where are they and when are we getting them. Now its clear that we wont get more stuff from USA, majority of political people in USA are against giving any thing to Pakistan now. So I think this is a perfect time for us to buy stuff from China and work with them on different projects.
 
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The deal for j-10s was not signed last year, Pakistan has shown a great amount of interest and it is said along with this news that Pakistan will get the fc-20 (j-10) possible by the end of this year. There shouldnt be any problems because it seems Pakistan has gone from requiring favourable payment options to just plain getting these jf-17s for free, so the finances wont be a problem.
 
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Alhamdolillah! Excellent news from our sincere Chinese brotherz..:china:....:).....
 
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guys i dont know much difference between loan, aid,soft loan etc

are these jf17 for free or pakistan will pay gradually over the years for them
 
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