China sends in 100 rocket launchers to fortify border with India

[vi-va]

The intent of China seems to prevent and forestall any anti-China security alliance between India and US. Territorial gains is not their objective. All these actions, since last year, are a kind of warning signals for India to refrain from joining US, for containing China.

It will be extremely violent if India cross redline. Great powers don't tolerate a hostile state on the doorstep.
China may not be a superpower yet, but definitely Pakistan+China combined force are a much greater power than India.

Can India bet on US to save her when Pakistan+China take decisive actions against India?

 

[SIPRA]

It will be extremely violent if India cross redline. Great powers don't tolerate a hostile state on the doorstep.
China may not be a superpower yet, but definitely Pakistan+China combined force are a much greater power than India.

Can India bet on US to save her when Pakistan+China take decisive actions against India?

Perhaps, they need another lesson, or a dose, like they got in 1962.

 

[SIPRA]

It's good to see realistic Indians here. Pravin Swahini is also recently saying that in 'max' 4-5 years, there will be something too bad for India in Kashmir region. But I tend to think that blood is cheap in poor countries and that includes India and so India would cling on to Laddakh and Kashmir.

It's all so sad to see the killings and tragedies in that region because eventually India and Pakistan will HAVE to learn to live together in peace. Either of these countries becoming another Syria or Iraq would be bad for the other one. Pakistanis know too well how a total loser 'nation' like Afghanistan on its border has caused the damage to Pakistan for 40+ years.

Not so long ago on this forum Indians were playing down the Pakistan-China strategic ties. Indians used to say that 'look, all the support China gives to Pakistan is like why can't we all get along'. But things have changed and I think they have changed in an almost irrevocable direction as far as China-India ties are concerned. Even the trade surplus China enjoys with India was not enough for the Chinese to give up huge potentials by having secure land connectivity through Kashmir. Modi has gambled big on Kashmir. It could make him the greatest Indian leader ever IF he is able to pacify Kashmir and change its demographics. Chances of that happening are rather low, especially in light of the recent Chinese activism against India and in light of the recent Indian reversals in Afghanistan.

The gross arrogance, and false sense of superiority, which majority of educated Hindus possess has no remedy, except for "Chhitrol".

In 1967, or about, Chou Enlai said, in some interview, that he, in his whole political life, has not seen a more arrogant person, than Nehru.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Yes China would like these places but the reason is much bigger than just Ladakh and Arunachal because India remains a security threat to China. Because they are for hire and if China was to have problems in other places like Sk, Japan, Taiwan etc etc India will be up for hire and cannon fodders China knows this hence it's most important stragetic goal is to deal with India if China were to ever become a future world superpower all the roads lead to thru India by default it has nothing to do with territorial gain at the end of the day but much bigger game. China sees India as a wildcard that could be used against it hence it gets the most attention in China's security measure and focus. I have seen you have written a thread about India making same mistake but you are mistaken there China has more interests in India than even Pakistan it is just kept on the low and not publicized. All the Chinese dream and ambitions go thru India by default. China can never become a supreme world superpower hegemony with India on it's shores and up for hire it threatens China's long term stragetic goal hence India will be one of the first places and threats they will deal with

Yes agree. China's plan is to subdue India before if takes on Taiwan and Japan. China want to completely secure her western borders before looking South and East. India is the only Western border where China is still not fully satisfied.

I don't think so. Irrespective of China's intentions on Taiwan, or its time frame, China would never want to enter into any major armed conflict with India, unless they become certain that India is a part of US intentions to harm China. Before that scenario, it would be sort of a cold war between India and China, as is happening now.

Chinese incursions across LAC into India started since Xi took office in 2012. Long before Modi was elected or India joined Quad.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

It's good to see realistic Indians here. Pravin Swahini is also recently saying that in 'max' 4-5 years, there will be something too bad for India in Kashmir region. But I tend to think that blood is cheap in poor countries and that includes India and so India would cling on to Laddakh and Kashmir.

It's all so sad to see the killings and tragedies in that region because eventually India and Pakistan will HAVE to learn to live together in peace. Either of these countries becoming another Syria or Iraq would be bad for the other one. Pakistanis know too well how a total loser 'nation' like Afghanistan on its border has caused the damage to Pakistan for 40+ years.

Not so long ago on this forum Indians were playing down the Pakistan-China strategic ties. Indians used to say that 'look, all the support China gives to Pakistan is like why can't we all get along'. But things have changed and I think they have changed in an almost irrevocable direction as far as China-India ties are concerned. Even the trade surplus China enjoys with India was not enough for the Chinese to give up huge potentials by having secure land connectivity through Kashmir. Modi has gambled big on Kashmir. It could make him the greatest Indian leader ever IF he is able to pacify Kashmir and change its demographics. Chances of that happening are rather low, especially in light of the recent Chinese activism against India and in light of the recent Indian reversals in Afghanistan.

Yes some Indians were delusional and were thinking that India's trade with China will prevent Chinese incursions across LAC into India. China has bigger strategic plans. Trade with India is miniscule from Chinese POV.

 

[doorstar]

PCL-181 is a truck-mount howitzer, not a rocket launcher.

China deployed long-range PCL191 (PHL-16)MLRS on the Indian border in June 2020
which unlike OP photo, looks something like this one below:

 

[Wood]

Like all previous leaders, Xi's military priority has always been Taiwan, and US in the long run, not so much attention on India to be frank, as least that's how we the public perceive. This latest deployment of rockets looks more like another round of stepped up response to Modi's (or India media's) continued provocation. It got much less to do with Quad, which I believe it's just another group-photo session, cause US will never trust your race, nor Japanese, only AUKUS is the real deal.

How is the media coverage in China for the border clashes with India?

 

[Shotgunner51]

How is the media coverage in China for the border clashes with India?

As usual, not much. Military related headlines are mostly about new weapon tech, events like Zhuhai Airshow or space programs attract media coverage. Then there are news about Taiwan strait, US, Japan, Russia and such, not so much on India or Sino-India border issues.

 

[Wood]

As usual, not much. Military related headlines are mostly about new weapon tech, events like Zhuhai Airshow or space programs attract media coverage. Then there are news about Taiwan strait, US, Japan, Russia and such, not so much on India or Sino-India border issues.

In India, there has been a lot of talk in media about India-China border issues. This has become a credible ammunition in hands of opposition parties to discredit the ruling party. Naturally, the news cycles give it a lot of air time.

Good for India if Chinese media does not make much out of it. At the very least, the rulers in China will not be under domestic pressure to make moves on the Indian front.

 

[SIPRA]

In India, there has been a lot of talk in media about India-China border issues. This has become a credible ammunition in hands of opposition parties to discredit the ruling party. Naturally, the news cycles give it a lot of air time.

Good for India if Chinese media does not make much out of it. At the very least, the rulers in China will not be under domestic pressure to make moves on the Indian front.

That difference between China and India has always existed. A large majority of Chinese wouldn't even know that there is some territorial dispute between China and India.

 

[Shotgunner51]

In India, there has been a lot of talk in media about India-China border issues. This has become a credible ammunition in hands of opposition parties to discredit the ruling party. Naturally, the news cycles give it a lot of air time.

Good for India if Chinese media does not make much out of it. At the very least, the rulers in China will not be under domestic pressure to make moves on the Indian front.

Yes I can see that happens in India media, the scene here in China is entirely different. The public may disagree or even argue fiercely on domestic affairs, but on foreign affairs the public seems to have enormous confidence on central government. Naturally people may chit chat here and there, venting all kinds of opinion no matter how absurd it might be, these have zero influence on Beijing. It's the other way round, when the central government say go, all people follow, national discipline is exactly the same as what you saw when the nation was combating COVID, or combating floods. So commentators can't judge whether China will make a move or not based on public opinion, cos it's unrelated.

 

[Shotgunner51]

A large majority of Chinese wouldn't even know that there is some territorial dispute between China and India.

Yes that's true.

Regarding these these rocker launchers and howitzers, quite a couple of military watchers believe that no imminent action will happen, these are just another round of prepping readiness, and perhaps getting troops to familiarize with terrain. Alot more would be required if action takes place.

 

[SIPRA]

Regarding these these rocker launchers and howitzers, quite a couple of military watchers believe that no imminent action will happen, these are just another round of prepping readiness.

You are right. That is exactly what I believe.

 

[JackTheRipper]

In India, there has been a lot of talk in media about India-China border issues. This has become a credible ammunition in hands of opposition parties to discredit the ruling party. Naturally, the news cycles give it a lot of air time.

Good for India if Chinese media does not make much out of it. At the very least, the rulers in China will not be under domestic pressure to make moves on the Indian front.

Reason is that China is Stronger than India, So, Indian media is worried, but not Chinese media..

Sooner or Later, India has to give disputed territory to China.. by Force or by Gift..

by Gift is better, as you can get little bit from other areas of Chinese land...

 

[Shotgunner51]

China's plan is to subdue India before if takes on Taiwan

Taiwan is a sitting duck no matter what, so India is indeed a reasonable priority to deal with.