China says Taiwan not a country, Taiwan says China needs reality check

[TaiShang]

So, you are a Taiwanese?

I thought a mainlander... Lol

Yeah, I agree with your opinion that it just on the political side and media. But ordinary people don't care much about it.

They went freely to mainland, HK, and Singapore like their own country. And extremely proud with mainland China progress and development.

Taiwan-lander .

Ordinary people cannot really care too much because it is not just about business, but also about family ties. Aside from marriages across the Straits, the ties go deep in history and still remain alive. My professor, for example, is from Qingdao city in Shandong Province (his parents). He has relatives there and his parents cannot easily forget. So, they regularly go and visit.

When we travel across the Greater China (and even perhaps other Confucius countries like Singapore), we hardly feel like a foreigner. The feeling is no more strange than a Beijinger would feel when visiting Shanghai.

The Indian does not understand the underlying history, culture, economics and politics, which is normal. They tend to think linear and vision-less. If one really wants to know what Taiwan really means for the Mainland, one needs to study Taiwan's historical contribution to the development of Mainland, and Mainland's contribution to Taiwan's GDP. If we really hated each other, we would not help each other. Even two Indian provinces do not help each other that much.

 

[Nan Yang]

China says Taiwan not a country, Taiwan says China needs reality check

BEIJING/TAIPEI (Reuters) - China warned self-ruled Taiwan on Wednesday that it would “reap the consequences” of promoting formal independence, a red line for Beijing which claims the island as its own.

Taiwan’s government hit back, saying it was a reality that the Republic of China, the island’s formal name, was a sovereign country and that no matter what China said it could not change this fact.

Taiwan is one of China’s most sensitive issues. Beijing has never renounced the use of force to bring what it considers a wayward province under its rule.

Defeated Nationalist forces fled to Taiwan in 1949 at the end of the Chinese civil war. Taiwan was a Japanese colony from 1895 until 1945.


Speaking in parliament on Tuesday, newly appointed Taiwan Premier William Lai said he was a “political worker who advocates Taiwan independence”, but that it already was an independent country called the Republic of China and so had no need to declare independence.

Ma Xiaoguang, spokesman for China’s Taiwan Affairs Office, said in reaction that relations across the Taiwan Strait that separates them are not “country to country” relations, and there is no “one China and one Taiwan”.

“Taiwan is an inseparable part of Chinese territory, has never been a country and can never become a country,” Ma said.

“The mainland side resolutely opposes any form of ‘Taiwan independence’ words or action, and will never allow the historical tragedy of national separation to repeat itself. The consequences will be reaped for engaging in Taiwan independence separatism,” he added, without elaborating.

Taiwan’s Mainland Affairs Council said it did not matter what Beijing said, it was an “objective reality” that the Republic of China was a sovereign state.

“Taiwan’s future and the development of relations across the Strait will be jointly decided by Taiwan’s 23 million people,” it said.


Taiwanese officials have said previously that there is no need to declare independence, as the Republic of China is already an independent country, though its territory only covers Taiwan, a few offshore islands close to China and some in the South China Sea.

Relations between Taipei and Beijing have nosedived since Tsai Ing-wen of the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party won election last year. China suspects her of wanting independence, but she says she wants to maintain peace with China.

Beijing has suspended a regular dialogue mechanism with Taipei established under the previous, China-friendly government in Taiwan, and there has been a dramatic reduction in the number of Chinese tourists visiting Taiwan.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-says-china-needs-reality-check-idUSKCN1C20YF
@faithfulguy @Chinese-Dragon @beijingwalker @AndrewJin @Two @TaiShang

I do not blame you if you do not understand the meaning of the 1992 consensus. Even DDP politicians have visited the mainland before.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Consensus

 

[Chhatrapati]

I do not blame you if you do not understand the meaning of the 1992 consensus. Even DDP politicians have visited the mainland before.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Consensus

As if I care. I just shared the news. So, that let you guys know.

 

[Great Sachin]

And they don't like Indians

still Taiwan is beautiful country

 

[Nan Yang]

As if I care. I just shared the news. So, that let you guys know.

Perhaps you do not care. Or perhaps its too complicate for you to comprehend.
I will enlighten further.
Declaring that Taiwan as the Republic of China (ROC) is NOT the same as splitting Taiwan from the mainland as a separate country.

 

[egodoc222]

Shameless China...how many times you get slapped by tiny Taiwan? And you talk about winning war with India lol!

 

[Kapwercs]

Status quo is the best for both sides, for now.

Best for china as it's too cowardly to do anything to change the status quo.

 

[beijingwalker]

Shameless China...how many times you get slapped by tiny Taiwan? And you talk about winning war with India lol!

Taiwan's official name is Republic of China. As long as they still hold the notion that both sides are part of China it'll be OK for both sides. They can't take over PRC and PRC doesn't want to fight an unpopular civil war, so status quo is the best for both sides now.

Taiwan is Republic of China, if PRC starts a war that'll be regarded as a civil war for two political parties fighting for dominance and will be opposed by the Chinese people of both sides. But if Taiwan declares independence that'll be another story, then a war will become upholding the country's territorial integrity and will be supported at least by the people of mainland China. That's why Taiwan is not stupid, they never dare to change the name cause they know that means a sure war that they can't win.

 

[Nan Yang]

Best for china as it's too cowardly to do anything to change the status quo.

He he he. Only an Indian would believe that over all these years that the status quo has not change.

 

[Kaniska]

Do not know much about this issue. Once, out of ignorance, i have assumed and mentioned my business contact as a Chines.Then her reply was too sharp...She responded back to me with a question that if i am from Pakistan????

So from that day onwards i realized, it is not Indian are not alone in current relationship with Pak, even China has simillar relation with Taiwan and HK too..

 

[beijingwalker]

Taiwan’s government hit back, saying it was a reality that the Republic of China, the island’s formal name, was a sovereign country and that no matter what China said it could not change this fact.

That's the point, Taiwan is not a country, it's just a name of a Chinese province. The only problem here is which one is the right China.

 

[Kapwercs]

Do not know much about this issue. Once, out of ignorance, i have assumed and mentioned my business contact as a Chines.Then her reply was too sharp...She responded back to me with a question that if i am from Pakistan????

So from that day onwards i realized, it is not Indian are not alone in current relationship with Pak, even China has simillar relation with Taiwan and HK too..

The hongkongers are even worse.
Call a HK guy a Chinese communist and be prepared for a bad time. Hk considers mainlanders animals. Popularly call them locusts.

 

[beijingwalker]

The hongkongers are even worse.
Call a HK guy a Chinese communist and be prepared for a bad time. Hk considers mainlanders animals. Popularly call them locusts.

That's our internal affairs and you don't want to know what Hongkongers call Indians. We can flood Hongkong with mainland immigrants and become majority overnight but we don't want to do that. Hongkong is perfectly under control and that's not your business to worry.

 

[T-123456]

India? The only experience I had with some Indian students (few in number) is that students do not want to live in shared dorms with them (I was at international student affairs office).

Who doesnt want to live with them,the Chinese students or other foreign students?

 

[beijingwalker]