China’s J-10B fighter to Pak worries India

[tvsram1992]

Jf-17 is not an air superiority fighter/strike fighter.
Its tagged as multi role which compromises on efficiency.
J-10 and Tejas Mk2 can be multirole and may be used for air superiority .
Mk2 will have better radar , and we get best parts for it .
Mk1 radar is better than JfT
Remember JFT highly compromises on parts to make it cost effective and easy to maintain and for defensive role.

A MiG-21 beating a JF-17? Oh come on



I assume you are speaking from experience.

Why not?
Guided by mki's , Mig21 with bvr capability can fire long range missiles.
The combo will be
MKI(Mini awacs) with Migs/MRCA/LCA

 

[Zabaniyah]

Jf-17 is not an air superiority fighter/strike fighter.
Its tagged as multi role which compromises on efficiency.
J-10 and Tejas Mk2 can be multirole and may be used for air superiority .
Mk2 will have better radar , and we get best parts for it .
Mk1 radar is better than JfT
Remember JFT highly compromises on parts to make it cost effective and easy to maintain and for defensive role.

Why not?
Guided by mki's , Mig21 with bvr capability can fire long range missiles.
The combo will be
MKI(Mini awacs) with Migs/MRCA/LCA

The MiG-21 is a 3rd generation fighter. Whereas JF-17 is a 4th generation aircraft. It would be a bit unfair to compare the two.

Anyways, PAF Mirages and the F-7s do have BVR capability if I am not mistaken. And of-course, they have AWACS support.

Many countries already retired MiG-21s long ago anyways. Good aircraft, but very old.

 

[faithfulguy]

The MiG-21 is a 3rd generation fighter. Whereas JF-17 is a 4th generation aircraft. It would be a bit unfair to compare the two.

Anyways, PAF Mirages and the F-7s do have BVR capability if I am not mistaken. And of-course, they have AWACS support.

Many countries already retired MiG-21s long ago anyways. Good aircraft, but very old.

Indian AF is still flying and killing pilots because LCA took too long to produce. I know that many Indians like to give excuse for the delay and there can never be any excuse. If India plan to build another indigenous plane, Indian AF should have a plan B just in case of more delays. For example, they should plan the next generation of MMRCA contest sooner just in case.

 

[Mani2020]

Jf-17 is not an air superiority fighter/strike fighter.
Its tagged as multi role which compromises on efficiency.
J-10 and Tejas Mk2 can be multirole and may be used for air superiority .
Mk2 will have better radar , and we get best parts for it .
Mk1 radar is better than JfT
Remember JFT highly compromises on parts to make it cost effective and easy to maintain and for defensive role.

Why not?
Guided by mki's , Mig21 with bvr capability can fire long range missiles.
The combo will be
MKI(Mini awacs) with Migs/MRCA/LCA

Do you know what multi role fighter is? Multi Role fighter is the one who has the ability to perform all kind of missions it can be ground attack, air superiority or point defence etc etc . It is designed from the scratch to be equally capable in any area unlike air superiority or ground attack fighters which are just designed for one purpose

US initiated the trend to produce multirole fighters and after them many countries tried to follow it, When you look at the history of American legacy fighters you will find they mostly are multirole fighters

F-16 is a multirole fighter

F-18 is a multirole fighter

F-14 was a multirole fighter

Even F-22 was designed as air superiority fighter but later other capabilities like ground attack were included to it to make it multirole fighter

F-35 is a multirole fighter

Even jets competing in your MRCA competition were multirole fighters like

Jas-39 Gripen is a multirole fighter

EF-2000 is a multirole aircraft ,though originaly had some problems with ground attack but later being resolved in latest tranches

Rafale is a multirole fighter

Eeven Mirage-2000 is a multirole fighter

So next time do some research before posting something

 

[Zabaniyah]

Indian AF is still flying and killing pilots because LCA took too long to produce. I know that many Indians like to give excuse for the delay and there can never be any excuse. If India plan to build another indigenous plane, Indian AF should have a plan B just in case of more delays. For example, they should plan the next generation of MMRCA contest sooner just in case.

Well, there was the recent MMRCA contest in which the Rafale and EFT came up as the final two. If any of those two are going to finally replace a bulk of those aging MiG-21s, that's going to take a while. They should have done it a long time ago.

By the way tvsram1992, both the Rafale and the EFT are multi-role aircraft

 

[tvsram1992]

Do you know what multi role fighter is? Multi Role fighter is the one who has the ability to perform all kind of missions it can be ground attack, air superiority or point defence etc etc . It is designed from the scratch to be equally capable in any area unlike air superiority or ground attack fighters which are just designed for one purpose

US initiated the trend to produce multirole fighters and after them many countries tried to follow it, When you look at the history of American legacy fighters you will find they mostly are multirole fighters

F-16 is a multirole fighter

F-18 is a multirole fighter

F-14 was a multirole fighter

Even F-22 was designed as air superiority fighter but later other capabilities like ground attack were included to it to make it multirole fighter

F-35 is a multirole fighter

Even jets competing in your MRCA competition were multirole fighters like

Jas-39 Gripen is a multirole fighter

EF-2000 is a multirole aircraft ,though originaly had some problems with ground attack but later being resolved in latest tranches

Rafale is a multirole fighter

Eeven Mirage-2000 is a multirole fighter

So next time do some research before posting something

Boss every aircraft is gonna to be a multi role fighter.
Every craft can throw bombs and fire missiles.
Its the level and depth involved.
It seems that u vent found any thing in your research
and how can you research when you couldnt read my post thoroughly

 

[tvsram1992]

Well, there was the recent MMRCA contest in which the Rafale and EFT came up as the final two. If any of those two are going to finally replace a bulk of those aging MiG-21s, that's going to take a while. They should have done it a long time ago.

By the way tvsram1992, both the Rafale and the EFT are multi-role aircraft

Every aircrafts in production are multi role.
By the way
Rafale is strike specialist and
Eurofighter is air superiority speacialist.
Hope you got my point

 

[tvsram1992]

The MiG-21 is a 3rd generation fighter. Whereas JF-17 is a 4th generation aircraft. It would be a bit unfair to compare the two.

Anyways, PAF Mirages and the F-7s do have BVR capability if I am not mistaken. And of-course, they have AWACS support.

Many countries already retired MiG-21s long ago anyways. Good aircraft, but very old.

That makes differnce, An awacs flying at Pakistans air space guiding JF-17 can be threatened by novatar and Su30mki combo.
We can have Mki as guider and no need of Awacs for such missions.
2 Mig21's and one mki and 2 MRCAs at 50km back of Mig21's.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

Jf-17 is not an air superiority fighter/strike fighter.
Its tagged as multi role which compromises on efficiency.
J-10 and Tejas Mk2 can be multirole and may be used for air superiority .
Mk2 will have better radar , and we get best parts for it .
Mk1 radar is better than JfT
Remember JFT highly compromises on parts to make it cost effective and easy to maintain and for defensive role.

Why not?
Guided by mki's , Mig21 with bvr capability can fire long range missiles.
The combo will be
MKI(Mini awacs) with Migs/MRCA/LCA

obsolete knowledge.................
1st thing if tejas is air superiority fighter then whats the prob with jf17 ....
and mk2.............. what about block2 that would be available even before mk1..........
j-10 is much much better than even mk2......wake up too much dreaming............

 

[Mani2020]

Boss every aircraft is gonna to be a multi role fighter.
Every craft can throw bombs and fire missiles.
Its the level and depth involved.
It seems that u vent found any thing in your research
and how can you research when you couldnt read my post thoroughly

lol what a logic. every aircraft is not going to be a multi-role aircraft

F-15 is not a multirole fighter rather F-15S is a strike fighter while other variants of F-15 are for air-superiority. If all fighters are gonna be a multirole fighters than what was the need for Boeing to produce different variants for its F-15 fighters?

If you refer to Russian design you will find most of them will be air-superiority or ground attack fighters they hardly made any multirole fighters throughout there history with the exception of few. The reason is Russian tend to tilt towards extreme in any case they follow, Russian goes more towards RAW power if you look at their designs like Su series or mig 25 you will see RAW power ,huge aggresive designs while on the other hand if you see US designs they will be more tilted towards sophistication , generally less aggressive in design and smaller in size

Every fighter aircraft is not gonna be a multirole fighter aircraft if it would have been so why would French had to make an attack variant of Mirage-3 known as Mirage-5 .

When EF-2000 came to the scene it was not a multirole fighter as it lacked decent ground attack capabilities then later in further tranches it was improved to be a multirole fighter

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

That makes differnce, An awacs flying at Pakistans air space guiding JF-17 can be threatened by novatar and Su30mki combo.
We can have Mki as guider and no need of Awacs for such missions.
2 Mig21's and one mki and 2 MRCAs at 50km back of Mig21's.

dear scenario here is different ....... ranges that you are telling don,t apply on so close neighbors .... consult some defense specialist..........

 

[Mani2020]

That makes differnce, An awacs flying at Pakistans air space guiding JF-17 can be threatened by novatar and Su30mki combo.
We can have Mki as guider and no need of Awacs for such missions.
2 Mig21's and one mki and 2 MRCAs at 50km back of Mig21's.

I can just do one thing in responce to your this post and that is

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

j-10 is much much better than even mk2......wake up too much dreaming............

You are the one with the incomplete knowledge!The Mark two has not even materialized so what makes you think that it is going to be inferior to any aircraft.

 

[tvsram1992]

obsolete knowledge.................
1st thing if tejas is air superiority fighter then whats the prob with jf17 ....
and mk2.............. what about block2 that would be available even before mk1..........
j-10 is much much better than even mk2......wake up too much dreaming............

Tejas is not air superiority fighter
Mk2 will begetting best parts.

 

[tvsram1992]

dear scenario here is different ....... ranges that you are telling don,t apply on so close neighbors .... consult some defense specialist..........

India has more area for awacs to move freely.
Pakistan aircrafts cant cross the border, Iran wouldnt allow and afgan is under US control.
We have mini awacs like mki .
Novator can easily destroy your awacs in pakistani air space under mki guidance.
Reply me when you have
1.Mini AWACS
2.Novator like missile