China’s J-10B fighter to Pak worries India

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

You are the one with the incomplete knowledge!The Mark two has not even materialized so what makes you think that it is going to be inferior to any aircraft.

hahhahaha........ mk1 has taught us,

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

India has more area for awacs to move freely.
Pakistan aircrafts cant cross the border, Iran wouldnt allow and afgan is under US control.
We have mini awacs like mki .
Novator can easily destroy your awacs in pakistani air space under mki guidance.
Reply me when you have
1.Mini AWACS
2.Novator like missile

hehhehehehe............ our awics would monitor you from PAKSITAN
no trouble to them.
cover your area.

 

[Dash]

Do you know what multi role fighter is? Multi Role fighter is the one who has the ability to perform all kind of missions it can be ground attack, air superiority or point defence etc etc . It is designed from the scratch to be equally capable in any area unlike air superiority or ground attack fighters which are just designed for one purpose

Do you know what you just said, You showed middle finger to all the fighters like F-22, F-15, Su35, Su30 which were specifically built for Airsuperiority roles!!

US, USSR and Europe...Shame on you...

Truely speaking a multirole fighter is nothing but jack of all trades and master of none...Get that...But in modern days scenario the capability for all roles have been increased. Thats why you can see a Rafale doing all roles, but you can still say in air superiority role, EF is much better than Rafale...coz it was specifically designed for air superiority.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Do you know what you just said, You showed middle finger to all the fighters like F-22, F-15, Su35, Su30 which were specifically built for Airsuperiority roles!!

US, USSR and Europe...Shame on you...

Truely speaking a multirole fighter is nothing but jack of all trades and master of none...Get that...But in modern days scenario the capability for all roles have been increased. Thats why you can see a Rafale doing all roles, but you can still say in air superiority role, EF is much better than Rafale...coz it was specifically designed for air superiority.

Su-30 MKKs and MK2s are primarily designed for strike operations. As for EF being less of a multirole fighter than the Rafale... have you seen photos of a Typhoon with a full load? Those are scary.

 

[Zabaniyah]

That makes differnce, An awacs flying at Pakistans air space guiding JF-17 can be threatened by novatar and Su30mki combo.
We can have Mki as guider and no need of Awacs for such missions.
2 Mig21's and one mki and 2 MRCAs at 50km back of Mig21's.

Never heard of 'mini-AWACS'. I am sure you are referring to electronic warfare. In case of the MKI, it isn't exactly intended for that role. Might as well just use MKIs instead of complementing with MiG-21s

If you want a good aircraft with electronic warfare capabilities, I'd recommend the Growler - given that the Americans are willing to offer it to you.

 

[Mani2020]

Do you know what you just said, You showed middle finger to all the fighters like F-22, F-15, Su35, Su30 which were specifically built for Airsuperiority roles!!

US, USSR and Europe...Shame on you...

Truely speaking a multirole fighter is nothing but jack of all trades and master of none...Get that...But in modern days scenario the capability for all roles have been increased. Thats why you can see a Rafale doing all roles, but you can still say in air superiority role, EF is much better than Rafale...coz it was specifically designed for air superiority.

If you know that F-22 was designed for an air-superiority fighter but later changes were made to make it some what a multirole fighter, SU-30 is an air-superiority fighter but Su-30MKI is a multirole fighter while Su-30 MKK are strike fighters , There are specific variants for these fighter which are designed for sole roles but for multi-role aircrafts there are no specific variants they can perform all the tasks


And for your information SU-35 is also a multi-role aircraft , so try to control your emotions before posting something

 

[tvsram1992]

lol what a logic. every aircraft is not going to be a multi-role aircraft

Its not logic, its a fact.
Brett lee, Muralidharan though not bats man can hit sixes.
Any aircraft can strike on targets . Even Mig21 can carry good LGB's with good combo of air to air missiles. It is multi role but not so potent.
Jf-17 is a generation better of it and eurofighter 2 generations ahead of it.
By the way US nuked japan with aircrafts , they were not strike role/ air superiority role at that time. Aircraft can be modified depending on its mission.

F-15 is not a multirole fighter rather F-15S is a strike fighter while other variants of F-15 are for air-superiority. If all fighters are gonna be a multirole fighters than what was the need for Boeing to produce different variants for its F-15 fighters?

So why F15 was against Mki in red flag?
Because every one need a specialist . You cannot play match with all rounders. Specialists should be used to win .
Even Eurofighter is multi role with a2a specialist as tag.
F-18 is tagged as strike fighter.

If you refer to Russian design you will find most of them will be air-superiority or ground attack fighters they hardly made any multirole fighters throughout there history with the exception of few. The reason is Russian tend to tilt towards extreme in any case they follow, Russian goes more towards RAW power if you look at their designs like Su series or mig 25 you will see RAW power ,huge aggresive designs while on the other hand if you see US designs they will be more tilted towards sophistication , generally less aggressive in design and smaller in size

That is managing payload, for example you can keep optical/laser pods for better strike and other may opt for long range missiles at that hard point. U can use rocket pod or LGB at a point.
Russian believe in making special fighters as it is their requirement.
India requirement is multi role with specialist in both capabilities.
LCA/JF17 is multi role but less capabilities.
What aggressiveness did you find in Russian designs?

Every fighter aircraft is not gonna be a multirole fighter aircraft if it would have been so why would French had to make an attack variant of Mirage-3 known as Mirage-5 .

Every fighter role can be determined on role of mission. When Mig21 's were brought, they were air superiority, now interceptor/close support role. When mki's were ordered they were for air superiority, now multi role fighter with more specialist capabilities
Because specialists with all rounders are needed.
For example, Su34 is strike variant, su35 is multirole of Su27 series which is for aisuperiority.

When EF-2000 came to the scene it was not a multirole fighter as it lacked decent ground attack capabilities then later in further tranches it was improved to be a multirole fighter

Dude the capabilities will keep on developing through out development.
Eurofighter/F22 can strike but not as effective as F-18

 

[tvsram1992]

hahhahaha........ mk1 has taught us,

So we can think about J20 by seeing J10

 

[tvsram1992]

hehhehehehe............ our awics would monitor you from PAKSITAN
no trouble to them.
cover your area.

Speak when you have 5000km range awacs / LRTR radars.
By the way we can detect F22 at 750km range with our LRTR radar co developed by Israel for AAD/BMD/PAD.

 

[tvsram1992]

Never heard of 'mini-AWACS'. I am sure you are referring to electronic warfare. In case of the MKI, it isn't exactly intended for that role. Might as well just use MKIs instead of complementing with MiG-21s

If you want a good aircraft with electronic warfare capabilities, I'd recommend the Growler - given that the Americans are willing to offer it to you.

Yes Su30mki can act as mini awacs and its a true multirole fighter.
It lacks stealth,Supercruise that akes it 4.5 gen fighter.
Mki has huge rcs so it will be leader with lca/mrca's.
MKi has good jammers and Growlers can be procured from US easily .
I can explain why.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

So we can think about J20 by seeing J10

don,t go beyond, j-20 exists but best of the best mk2 fly in your dreams

 

[tvsram1992]

If you know that F-22 was designed for an air-superiority fighter but later changes were made to make it some what a multirole fighter, SU-30 is an air-superiority fighter but Su-30MKI is a multirole fighter while Su-30 MKK are strike fighters , There are specific variants for these fighter which are designed for sole roles but for multi-role aircrafts there are no specific variants they can perform all the tasks


And for your information SU-35 is also a multi-role aircraft , so try to control your emotions before posting something

So what about Su34?
Its is strike variant of Su30 series.

I can just do one thing in responce to your this post and that is

You cant do other than that and sleep well.
Gd n8 .

 

[Mani2020]

Its not logic, its a fact.
Brett lee, Muralidharan though not bats man can hit sixes.

Ridiculous example i must say

So why F15 was against Mki in red flag?

If F-15 was against MKI so what you want to prove here? even mig-21's were against f-15's and f-16's in Red flag exercise so would you say mig-21's are specialists? or even F-16's were against MKI's so will you say that f-16's are specialists in one role? Even for your info MKI is a multi role fighter whereas mkk is strike fighter and su-30 and su-27 basic series are air superiority fighters

Because every one need a specialist . You cannot play match with all rounders. Specialists should be used to win

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So you mean to say USAF is dumb? that they are having more 1000 multirole fighters in form of f-16's which is so far the highest number of fighters of any kind in their inventory, or nations who are spending billions of F-35 program which is a multirole fighter are nuts?

Even Eurofighter is multi role with a2a specialist as tag.

That is what i already told you that when it first came to the scene it lacked A2G capabilities so was reffered as more kinda air2air specialist but this problem was resolved in later tranches

F-18 is tagged as strike fighter

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You are mis-informed on that ,

That is managing payload, for example you can keep optical/laser pods for better strike and other may opt for long range missiles at that hard point. U can use rocket pod or LGB at a point.

Even an F-16 can do this job with best available pods

What aggressiveness did you find in Russian designs?

Ask someone with aviation background he will tell you . Even ask a neutral source on this forum

Every fighter role can be determined on role of mission. When Mig21 's were brought, they were air superiority, now interceptor/close support role.

Thats not because mig-21 have changed over the year or roles and missions changed over the year rather thats because of the advent of new technology, when you have mki's and mirage-2000 which are far far better aircrafts then mig-21's bearing new technology than mig-21's what is the need to use mig-21's as your air-superiority fighters? Every airforce uses its best fighters for main roles

When mki's were ordered they were for air superiority, now multi role fighter with more specialist capabilities

Thats what i already mentioned in my three posts , and here you answer yourself what i was trying to make you understand lol , you yourself said they are multi-role fighters with more capabilities and that was what i was continuously saying in my last few posts, re-read them

Dude the capabilities will keep on developing through out development.
Eurofighter/F22 can strike but not as effective as F-18

Lol so you are saying F-18's are better than F-22 raptors , errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[koushik]

hehhehehehe............ our awics would monitor you from PAKSITAN
no trouble to them.
cover your area.

pakistani AWACS can monitor only very small fraction of indian territory whereas indian AWACS can easily monitor entire pakistani airspace from well inside India.not to forget the Air force will get its dedicated satellite by 2012 or 2013 so apart from AWACS, satellites are an extra advantage.
Anyways coming back to this argument within a couple of years we will have a great air-dèfence couerage which includes extensive radar coverage and a layered coverage of short range,medium range and long range SAMs.

 

[SQ8]

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