China’s J-10B Advanced Fighters To Pakistan Worries India

[Luftwaffe]

No IAF is not worried specially not worried with MMRCA decided even though it will take time in inductions. I would repeat again with Rafales-Sukhios; PAF would face hardtime every time PAF goes up and no offensive whooping arse would take place at PAF.

You want to challenge IAF, you got to have something comparable or very close, get those J-11B-BS.

 

[Donatello]

Well IAF is using French & israeli jammers not the russian one so I think they will do better

Just because the jammers are French or Israeli, it automatically makes them better? Eh?

 

[Agent Vinod]

Just because the jammers are French or Israeli, it automatically makes them better? Eh?

they are proven. PAF also wanted the french avionics for JF -17. live in denial at your peril.

 

[Armstrong]

No IAF is not worried specially not worried with MMRCA decided even though it will take time in inductions. I would repeat again with Rafales-Sukhios; PAF would face hardtime every time PAF goes up and no offensive whooping arse would take place at PAF.

You want to challenge IAF, you got to have something comparable or very close, get those J-11B-BS.

You do realize that the JF-17s, the couple of F-16s and J-10Bs we have, won't be fighting in a bubble. They'd have the SAMs, the MANPADs and any other air-defense system we have or may have, along with AWACs and our battlefield missiles acting in unison with them.

 

[Luftwaffe]

The IAF advantage is not as formidable as you think.

Firstly, in an offensive role, not all Su-30s will have AWAC coverage(due to logistical constraints) while most defending front-line PAF fighters can tap into AWAC or ground based radar targeting information. This neutralizes the radar advantage. As long as the PAF stays on home turf and plays the defensive game, the Su-30s can be blunted.

Secondly, the IAF has a very fragile logistical tail. Most key subsystems(engine blades, IRST pods, Radar....etc) and BVR munitions of the Su-30s can't be manufactured from scratch in India(assembly from imported Russian/French parts isn't gone to be fast enough in wartime). Moreover the Indian transportation system is in a terrible state of disrepair and that even transporting parts and munitions from supply depots to front line bases would be slowed down considerably. All in all, the IAF only has enough spare parts and BVR munitions for about 1 week of a high intensity air war. The same rules constrain the PAF, however, the land border with China would allow us to resupply the PAF much faster than Russia/France/Israel could supply the IAF.

So ultimately, if the PAF can hold it's ground for 1 week against an IAF offensive, then IAF will either have to stop the offensive, or bear unacceptably high losses and still not gain a conventional victory.

Oh Yes it is with 272 MKIs, 126 Rafale, 52+ highly modified Mirage 2000 dash standards, Again highly modified 100+ Mig-29s are formidable. China will not come to your help to destabilize their side of the border the most it can do is supply you with good number of munitions/spares for PAF-Army.

Regarding AWACS support, Atleast it would be farther and more than what PAF coverage be..take a look at their investment and development of systems and imports of AWACS. No your are all speculative and assuming that is not how Air Force works.

Says who IAF has fragile logistics...And PAF logistics is Not..? speak logic mate...Have you read hindustan procurement plans that includes huge spares of Mirages-Sukhios plus hindustan has the ability to manufacture it in times of war without asking russians for help..They are on a different level...live reality. And what about your F-16s-C-130s-Mirage III/V what would you be doing with them after complete blockade of spares-weapons...Isn't PAF transportation in deplorable condition Train that are the spine of Army logistics plus other means of transportation when you have no Oil left. Again you are assuming China would do this and that China would help you but it would be to limited extend they have business deals and trade with hindustan they do not want to lose it, Pakistan is on its own It has to find ways to be self sufficient and not beg xyz in War times.

Believe it or not hindustan would continue to weaken you for a month time before you declare seize fire that is what hindustan wants to do to you to bring you to your knees. No nation wants War specially hindustan is not interested in it as is economy is growing, we here are so eager to go to War with neighbor all you need to do is Grow your Fangs for the future to keep your neighbor in a position to always shake hand and sit with you on Table other wise your neighbor is as good as biting you to death.

You do realize that the JF-17s, the couple of F-16s and J-10Bs we have, won't be fighting in a bubble. They'd have the SAMs, the MANPADs and any other air-defense system we have or may have, along with AWACs and our battlefield missiles acting in unison with them.

You don't have J-10Bs wait for them 2 more Years and wait for Pilots and ground crew to get trained good for next 5 Years after inductions..

 

[Agent Vinod]

^^^last para was golden

 

[mdcp]

Atleast we should go for 150 j10b cuz india is spending massive and they must have bad intention, dont forget when they did nucelear test in 1998, no one could have imagine thanks for their atleast we settled oue nucelear score as well, this unpridictability worries me, they not buying these machines for display, they must be planning to target us
So hurry up

 

[Agent Vinod]

Atleast we should go for 150 j10b cuz india is spending massive and they must have bad intention, dont forget when they did nucelear test in 1998, no one could have imagine thanks for their atleast we settled oue nucelear score as well, this unpridictability worries me, they not buying these machines for display, they must be planning to target us
So hurry up

Let the chinese make a operational one.

 

[The SC]

the Rafale and LCA MK2 will be enough to handle the J-10 and JF-17 and since when is PAF getting J-10B? for all we know J-10B could just still be a prototype inside a hangar 36 of those fighters will be no match for the 126+ Rafale and LCAMK2.

I do not know, but it seems like an exact equation; If every J-10/B can detect and lock on 6 targets, and destroy them, that is 36x6=126

 

[Storm Force]

PAF & IAF are playing at a completely different LEVEL...

IAF is securing the most expensive COMBAT SYSTEMS that money can buy. ie SU30MKI RAFALE & PHALCON AWACS & C17 GLOBEMASTERS.......

Real force multiplers real hard hitting high end technology in GOOD NOS.....

" I DOUBT EVEN PAKISTANIS CAN DISPUTE THIS"

IN CONTRAST

PAF are having to make smart sensible CUT PRICE decisions

THEY WOULD LIKE 150 F16/52 but fear sanctions & the cost
SO THEY BUY 18 only

They need 150 fc20 BUT THEY START WITH 36 again its the cost

PAF is putting eveerthing on JF17 THUNDER

i fully understand why and i think its a sensible solution backed by AWACS & SAMS in enough nos.

" but iaf will not be panicing over PAF " BUT THEY ARE running scared of PLAAF and its mighty GDP

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

I do not know, but it seems like an exact equation; If every J-10/B can detect and lock on 6 targets, and destroy them, that is 36x6=126

No need for Blunders. If we induct 126 FC20, India will induct 250 F18s or Typhoon, america has already offered them.
Minimum deterrence policy is correct.
Just do improve relation with neighbor and Focus on economy. Then after this , induct even 5th generation fighter but economy is first.
Better to shake hand with neighbor and avoid war.

 

[MastanKhan]

Only F-16 is a sufficient threat to india...but if india decide to attack pak...we wont bring the big guns to the picture. India has enough fighters to keep F-16's occupied...as the days roll on, then gradually the big boys of IAF will slowly enter the scenario. By that time the conflict may be over.

Even if PAF counter attack...they cant strike deep inside india.

Hi,

In that case----paf would be thankful to your air force---. That would be the opening that the paf would need to make the headway----. If the iaf does not dominate the skies in the first 72 hours---the war would be another stalemate---.

 

[MastanKhan]

the PAF has sufficient capability to defend its own skies for a couple of days in case of a conflict but in no way will it be able to carry deep strike missions deep inside Indian airspace the most likely scenario in war would be IAF strike fighters like Mirage and Jaguar accompanied by MKI or MiG-29 going into Pakistan airspace which makes it difficult for our side because not only do we have to deal with the PAF but also the threat from SAM's both MANPAD and mobile SAM's on tracked or wheeled platforms.

in the first few days PAF could hold its own but eventually numbers and qualitative superiority will bewilder the PAF into annihilation kind of like how the Pak navy was almost wiped out by the Indian navy in 1971. how a scenario of war is highly unlikely since MAD (mutally assured destruction) will cause hesitation to go to war.

Hi,

Paf is an offencive air force----regardless of what you say or what you have to throw at it---paf will be offencive in its design---the problem with the numbers for the iaf is that it will have to keep at least a minimal of 1/3 air force towards its chinese borders in reserve.

The americans are betting at this time that their aim120 would neutralize a major portion of iaf with a very high kill ratio----russians are betting that when you launch your what is it the r77 3 or 4 at one target--you will get the desired results---.

What it will come down to is how much lossess can the iaf absorb for the su30's---that will make or break the myth of a legend---. That is what this air battle is going to be all about---the su30 vs the aim120 and the sd10---.

 

[Armstrong]

You don't have J-10Bs wait for them 2 more Years and wait for Pilots and ground crew to get trained good for next 5 Years after inductions..

Perhaps...but neither do they have those many MKIs or Rafaels yet. But even still the principle remains - whatever air crafts we're going to have aren't going to be operating in a bubble. They'd have SAMs, AWACs, MANPADs, newer acquisitions till the time it takes the IAF to induct all those MKis and Rafaels and our battlefield missiles, complementing each other in a well synchronized war plan !

 

[MastanKhan]

No need for Blunders. If we induct 126 FC20, India will induct 250 F18s or Typhoon, america has already offered them.
Minimum deterrence policy is correct.
Just do improve relation with neighbor and Focus on economy. Then after this , induct even 5th generation fighter but economy is first.
Better to shake hand with neighbor and avoid war.

Hi

That was the mistake Musharraf made after 2002---him and the air force stopped the procurement of a much needed american european fighter----the peace process was going at a brisk pace----paf decided that it would be a waste of money to spend on an air craft---as peace deal was about to be signed----.

India once again sabotaged the purchase of a western aircraft by paf in 2002---2003---just like it did for the mirage 2000 in the 90's---the fcuk ups of the paf are momentous in nature---.

Utill and unless you have major weapons systems that can match and out do indian systems mano a mano---you will never have peace with india---. It is an indian mindset----it is a cultural thing with india---and it is a cultural heritage of pakistan as well---when pakistan has better weapons than india----it also sends a message to india---lets play----and india says oh sh-it---do I have to---again.

India is basking in glory of new found wealth----pakistan is lamenting on the losses it has suffered----india has newe and better friends---pakistan is being bi-tch slapped by its own people and others at will---there is no match between the two at this stage----only that pakistan is tied like and anchor to india's legs----it is like a shadow---.

Only and only---when india learns to be magnanimous in nature and the indians learn what that means---only when the indians will understand the vision of being the leader of the sub continent and the area surrounding it---only when india wants to come out of its 'LITTLE MAN SYNDROME'----THEN THERE WILL BE A CHANCE FOR PEACE in this region----signing and enforcing of the peace is in india's hand---any time it wants to move forward----it can.