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China risks isolation if it occupies Spratlys
by Jojo Malig, ABS-CBNnews.com
07/18/2012 9:56 PM

MANILA, Philippines - China risks being a pariah in the global community if it attacks other countries claiming parts of the disputed Spratly Islands, an analyst warned on Wednesday.

Greg Poling, research associate of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies' Southeast Asia Program, said Beijing's military ambitions in the region are held back by its economic, diplomatic, and political interests overseas.

"From the Chinese perspective, Beijing knows that it could easily occupy every disputed feature in the South China Sea, but it cannot do so without causing wide and probably irrevocable damage to its interests abroad," Poling told ABS-CBNNews.com.

"China would be rightfully seen as the aggressor in such a situation, as well as in violation of its own multilateral and bilateral treaty obligations," he said. "Any hopes of China being seen as a responsible member of the international community or a benign rising power would go out the window."

"As long as aggression was limited to the Spratlys themselves, outside powers would be unlikely to intervene militarily, but China would find itself isolated and almost necessarily in the midst of a new Cold War as the United States and its partners both in the Asia Pacific and Europe would fear future Chinese aggression," Poling added.

He said that although there is little chance of a full-scale shooting war between China and the Philippines or Vietnam, "small-scale skirmishes are not out of the question."

Johnson Reef clash

Vietnam and China have engaged in such armed naval skirmishes in the past years, including a deadly battle in waters near Johnson Reef and Fiery Cross Reef in 1988.

More than 70 Vietnamese troops were killed while 2 of their ships were sunk and another was heavily damaged in the skirmish.

It resulted in China gaining control of the nearby Johnson South Reef, which the Philippines calls Mabini Reef.

Dr. Richard Cronin, senior associate and director of the Henry Stimson Center's Southeast Asia Program, told the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission that the deadly outcome of the naval battle was the reason why the Philippine Navy decided to avoid a confrontation with the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy when the latter occupied Mischief Reef in 1994.

Poling said the Philippines and Vietnam are avoiding taking the People's Liberation Army head-on into open conflict over incidents in the Spratlys and the Paracels. "The United States, as a treaty ally of the Philippines, also has a stake in pushing all sides to avoid a shooting war," he said.

He said other countries should not also immediately jump to conclusions regarding China’s naval intentions in the region.

"Clearly, maneuvering warships and the like through the South China Sea intentionally sends a message to the other claimants. And naval maneuvers by China have increased in recent years. That said, there is nothing in international law to forbid China from operating warships within 60 nautical miles of anyone’s coast (as long as they are farther than 12 nautical miles, which is the limit of territorial waters)," he said.

Scarborough standoff

Poling cited the Scarborough Shoal standoff, which he believes was caused by the Philippines sending a military, instead of a Coast Guard patrol vessel to the area.

"China has been careful to avoid militarizing the disputes by using its civil, not naval, ships in confrontations like Scarborough. It was the Philippines that chose to send its naval flagship to perform the purely civilian job of interdicting illegal fishermen at Scarborough," he said.

"Beijing still chose to respond with its civilian agencies. If there is a message in that, it is that China does not need to use its naval forces to throw its weight around in the region," he told ABS-CBNNews.com.

He said what the Philippines "cannot afford is another Scarborough Shoal" (standoff).

"If that incident proved anything, it is that the Philippines is in no position to confront China’s civilian maritime forces, much less its naval forces (which we should keep in mind played no part at Scarborough)," Poling said.

"The Philippines should, and is, seeking to upgrade its maritime awareness capabilities and its civilian and naval assets in the long run. But in the short-term, it will have to rely on bilateral diplomacy to manage incidents with China, and seek some sort of united front with most, if not all, of its ASEAN counterparts to counter China’s intimidation tactics," he added.

More Chinese fishermen in Spratlys

Poling said the Philippines should expect that increased activity of Chinese fishing vessels in the disputed waters will continue to remain a source of tension.

"As fishing grounds near China become depleted, fishermen from Hainan and throughout southern China are traveling farther afield," he said.

"This is only being promoted by Beijing, which is rumored to be paying fishermen on Hainan to fish in the Spratlys, where it would be unprofitable to operate if not for government payouts," he added.

"This is growing even more dangerous as China’s various civilian maritime agencies seem determined to protect their fishermen’s access to all part of the South China Sea with whatever means are necessary. All this means we can expect fishing confrontations, which were already regular occurrences, to become even more frequent and more public," Poling said.

"Clearly the Philippines will not stop patrolling the waters it considers its own. The result is probably going to be frequent diplomatic spats between the two sides," he said. "This has been the status quo in the Paracels for decades, with China arresting Vietnamese fishermen with regularity, Vietnam protesting, and a diplomatic solution being found."
 
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Rubbish! Since WWII, the US has been the most aggressive belligerent country in the world. She fought more wars and picked on little guys more than all nations combined. Is she isolated? Hell no! She's glorified as the champion of peace and the torch bearer of humanity.

At the end of the day, it's the power of money (market) and muscle (military) that talk.
 
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Rubbish! Since WWII, the US has been the most aggressive belligerent country in the world. She fought more wars and picked on little guys more than all nations combined. Is she isolated? Hell no! She's glorified as the champion of peace and the torch bearer of humanity.

At the end of the day, it's the power of money (market) and muscle (military) that talk.

thats because USA is superpower and USA attacked another nation barely few occasions.you see,wherever USA go to attack any country,NATO follows..so no issue on isolation exists as you can't think a world without USA and NATO(not even now)...
 
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Also China risks of disintegration if it takes direct military action .
 
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Rubbish! Since WWII, the US has been the most aggressive belligerent country in the world. She fought more wars and picked on little guys more than all nations combined. Is she isolated? Hell no! She's glorified as the champion of peace and the torch bearer of humanity.

At the end of the day, it's the power of money (market) and muscle (military) that talk.
Then all China has to do is ignore local and global opinions and go to war.
 
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thats because USA is superpower and USA attacked another nation barely few occasions.you see,wherever USA go to attack any country,NATO follows..so no issue on isolation exists as you can't think a world without USA and NATO(not even now)...


Our opinions are almost the same except the bold part. If I have time, which I don't have now, I can list all the US interventions since WWII, which definitely more than a few occasions.
 
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thats because USA is superpower and USA attacked another nation barely few occasions.you see,wherever USA go to attack any country,NATO follows..so no issue on isolation exists as you can't think a world without USA and NATO(not even now)...

are you trying to justify US hegemony and gunboat diplomacy?
 
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This article is silly no one in their right mind will take side on a territorial dispute ,just look at the falkland war is there any country siding with either argentina or brtitian? and during the falkland war britian strongest ally USA was in a real dilemma wether to allow refueling of british planes in her country.
 
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Our opinions are almost the same except the bold part. If I have time, which I don't have now, I can list all the US interventions since WWII, which definitely more than a few occasions.

sure..show me for how many cases USA intervened unilaterally???

are you trying to justify US hegemony and gunboat diplomacy?

lol,no.i merely pointed out why USA was never alone..
 
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A few nukes on Vietnam and Philippines and nobody will dare defy China! :china:

You can nuke Viet Nam for later on, now the country you should be done first that Russia. They are shot your "ilegal fisherman" and captured them. Deal with Russia first then come see me, I'll let you nuke of mine OK? Happy now?
 
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Well, China can attack Viet Nam then occupying the rest of the Islands that made China drooling every single minutes. Does she able to keep them when China already harm Viet Nam for the long days fighting?

The reason China can remain on few island in Spratly and Paracell caused Viet Nam have been long fight for wars after war, but if this time war could happens and nothing try to avoid then Viet Nam will take them back at all cost.
 
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by that time all Indians on earth would have disappeared for thousands of years already.



you threatened us first,while your nuclear arsenal is just a fraction of China's.

In the worst cases that U.S can not force China to get on track, and China start war in SCS with any country espcially with Viet Nam. US won't mind to delivery nukes for Viet Nam to use them with China. What Viet Nam will loose when the war could starting at anytime with China then?

What more gain what Viet Nam has for the future? Getting rid of the BIG BAD BOY, Russia, U.S, India, and the rest of countries arounds China got less enemies that win-win situation.
 
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