China risks isolation if it occupies Spratlys

[faithfulguy]

what you clearly missed is this...there are several claimants in SCS.Apart from Vietnam and Philippines,there are Taiwan(you may exclude them as a breakaway part of China),Indonasia,Malaysia,Combodia,Thailand and Singapore.so theoretically,all of them are against China.And if Chinese claim are so logical,why they don't go to international court and fixes this issue just like other countries do???thats because UN doesn't recognize an "Ancient(thousand years)" claim.and China is already facing a ban on weapons by western countries.money isn't everything.see,trillions of dollars of eceony couldn't budge smaller economies like Philippines,so your logic is absurd.tell me,how many countries supported China's claim on SCS???
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Does India has a scheduled appointment to discuss Kashmir in the international court? How many Indians here believe that India should allow an outside entity to determine the fate of its territory?

The country that made claims in SCS should sit down and discuss the issues one on one. The spratly islands should be shared by the countries that lay claim to develop the area peacefully. And countries like India should **** out.

 

[GR!FF!N]

what kind of bs is this? did the menace of international isolation stop india from invading goa? sikkim? no one gives up a chunk of meat so close to his mouth for the immaterial reward of international moral approval. indians sure have taught chinese some lessons here. and as i said, once we drive viets to the south of meikong, we can put up with any amount of internationla condemnation

"international" condemnation is just all weakish viets could throw at us when they have no other weapons to substitute for their weakish military.

and indians, stop using "international" so often in your english. it is not a pronoun. or is it just anglo-saxon slavery disfigured your way of thinking and made you think every sh*tty line you uttered was automatically universal moral truth?

but we didn't get a ban,thats because Goa was captured by a colonial ruler and they lost to their own citizens,Indian Armed Forces only responded to their .and in case of Sikkim,it was an autonomous region under India and its their own parliament who applied to be a state of India..read little more and you your logic before bad mouthing.a single word on "Race" and i'll report your post.

1961 Indian annexation of Goa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1947, a popular vote rejected Sikkim's joining the Indian Union and the prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, agreed to a special protectorate status for Sikkim. Sikkim came under the suzerainty of India, which controlled its external affairs, defence, diplomacy and communications, but Sikkim otherwise retained autonomy. A state council was established in 1955 to allow for constitutional government under the Chogyal. Meanwhile trouble was brewing in the state after the Sikkim National Congress demanded fresh elections and greater representation for the Nepalese. In 1973, riots in front of the palace led to a formal request for protection from India. The Chogyal was proving to be extremely unpopular with the people. In 1975, the Kazi (Prime Minister) appealed to the Indian Parliament for a change in Sikkim's status so that it could become a state of India. In April, the Indian Army moved into Sikkim, seizing the city of Gangtok and disarming the Palace Guards. A referendum was held in which 97.5% of the voting people (59% of the people entitled to vote) voted to join the Indian Union. A few weeks later, on May 16, 1975, Sikkim officially became the 22nd state of the Indian Union and the monarchy was abolished.[5]

Annexation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ahfatzia]

what you clearly missed is this...there are several claimants in SCS.Apart from Vietnam and Philippines,there are Taiwan(you may exclude them as a breakaway part of China),Indonasia,Malaysia,Combodia,Thailand and Singapore.so theoretically,all of them are against China.And if Chinese claim are so logical,why they don't go to international court and fixes this issue just like other countries do???thats because UN doesn't recognize an "Ancient(thousand years)" claim.and China is already facing a ban on weapons by western countries.money isn't everything.see,trillions of dollars of eceony couldn't budge smaller economies like Philippines,so your logic is absurd.tell me,how many countries supported China's claim on SCS???

You keep nibbling on details that have no bearing to my original claim. While we are here let me just say this, whenever there's a sovereign dispute, more often than not, third parties usually stand neutral. No one wants to get involved in this kind of mess unless they have a stake on the outcomes. It's also natural for any country to stand her ground when it comes to border disputes no matter how weak and poor that country is. Again, let me reiterate, all these have no bearing to my original claim.

BTW, with the countries you mentioned above only Malaysia is 'theoretically' opposes China, the other five are neutral.

 

[NiceGuy]

Does India has a scheduled appointment to discuss Kashmir in the international court? How many Indians here believe that India should allow an outside entity to determine the fate of its territory?

The country that made claims in SCS should sit down and discuss the issues one on one. The spratly islands should be shared by the countries that lay claim to develop the area peacefully. And countries like India should **** out.

SCS(east sea) is the property of the World, every one including Indian have the right of free navigation there. china-taiwan are trying to violate the international rules, so they must be codemn punished in international court of justice.

btw: taiwan is just too tiny and powerless in SCS(east sea), no one care and wanna discuss the issues with her .

 

[beijingwalker]

btw: taiwan is just too tiny and powerless in SCS(east sea), no one care and wanna discuss the issues with her .

Taiwan is not big but comparing to Vietnam,Taiwan is a giant in both economy and military.

Taiwan is a huge giant in front of Vietnam

List of countries by GDP (nominal)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

26 Taiwan(ROC) 466,832
57 Vietnam 122,722


List of states by foreign-exchange reserves

5 Republic of China (Taiwan) 391,024
59 Vietnam 16,760



Taiwan's strength is in navy and airforce,be a war broke out bw Taiwan and Vietnam,Vietnam navy will be totally wiped out by Taiwan navy in hours.

China has huge naval advantage to others in S. China Sea
2011-12-06
According to Indonesian Center of Democracy, Diplomacy and Defense executive director Teuku Rezasyah, Malaysia has two battleships, the Philippines one, China 27 and Taiwan 26 operating in the South China Sea.

He said Vietnam had several escort vessels operating in the area, while no data was available for Brunei’s operations there.

“China’s 27 naval vessels do not even include the aircraft carrier and submarines [it operates in the South China Sea],” he told The Jakarta Post recently.

He said a Type 093 Shang class nuclear-powered attack submarine was observed at the pier under construction.

Significant construction is still underway at the Yalong Bay Naval Base on Hainan Island, including a fourth submarine pier at the southern section of the base, increased camouflage over the submarine pen and a bunkered rail line on the eastern side of the basin peninsula, he said.

“China has successfully massively reclaimed shores on Nam Yit Island and Southwest Cay Island, which borders the Philippines. China has made those hubs for its aircraft carriers based on satellite imagery,”
Rezasyah said.

He said that China was likely preparing for a worst-case scenario, with Nam Yit Island able to support three aircraft carriers.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Does India has a scheduled appointment to discuss Kashmir in the international court? How many Indians here believe that India should allow an outside entity to determine the fate of its territory?

The country that made claims in SCS should sit down and discuss the issues one on one. The spratly islands should be shared by the countries that lay claim to develop the area peacefully. And countries like India should **** out.

we already did..if we continued our fight,whole Kashimir would be ours.guess you don't know anything about Kashmir.please read UN verdict about Kashmir..it'll help you out.never listen what fanboys will say,just search and read from here...

United Nations Security Council Resolution 47 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


it clearly states......

The resolution recommended that in order to ensure the impartiality of the plebiscite Pakistan withdraw all tribesmen and nationals who entered the region for the purpose of fighting and that India leave only the minimum number of troops needed to keep civil order. The Commission was also to send as many observers into the region as it deemed necessary to ensure the provisions of the resolution were enacted. Pakistan ignored the UN mandate and continued fighting, holding on to the portion of Kashmir under its control.[5] Subsequently India refused to implement the plebiscite claiming the withdrawal of Pakistan forces was a prerequisite as per this resolution.[6] In 1990 after nearly four decades, the United States changed its position and is no longer urging a plebiscite in Kashmir, saying the dispute should be settled through direct negotiations between India and Pakistan.

see,India wanted to solve it via UN,but as Pakistan never followed the rule,we have no choice but to solve it bilaterally.
if you find internet,you'll find more informative sources..

 

[GR!FF!N]

You keep nibbling on details that have no bearing to my original claim. While we are here let me just say this, whenever there's a sovereign dispute, more often than not, third parties usually stand neutral. No one wants to get involved in this kind of mess unless they have a stake on the outcomes. It's also natural for any country to stand her ground when it comes to border disputes no matter how weak and poor that country is. Again, let me reiterate, all these have no bearing to my original claim.

BTW, with the countries you mentioned above only Malaysia is 'theoretically' opposes China, the other five are neutral.

none are neutral,thats what i'm telling you.what you are thinking is wrong.they may not be criticiser of China,but no way they will give China their EEZ,right??and multilateral talk is only way as bilateral talk has no value to the third party talk.what you clearly missing is that China is trying to solve it bilaterally,but others want it multilaterally.now,those countries may not come to help Vietnam or Philippines in future conflict,but no way these countries will overlook the war against a future warning against them too..and nobody wants to loose its EEZ,right???


now,on your comment on isolation,China will face a global criticism in case of war.and as China's claim is too absurd to support,most countries of this region as well as other global powers will support it.China will be cornered by this powers.see,China still bearing results of Tiananmen Square massacre.what China tried to achieve via 3 decades of diplomacy will diminish.what will be worse than that???China will be a powerful country,but they will have very few trusted partners because no country will trust a war mongering country..

 

[NiceGuy]

Taiwan is not big but comparing to Vietnam,Taiwan is a giant in both economy and military.

Get back to life now, VN control 40 isl and shoal while tiny TW only control 1or two isl in SCS, dude

And do I need to remind you that we just fired at TW's troop in Itu-aba isl and TW with china could do No thing but keeping their mouths shut?

 

[beijingwalker]

Vietnamese talk big,but in reality is just a tiny bug in front of Taiwan,and Chinese city of Hongkong has only 6 million people while Vietnam has 88 million,and Hongkong's GDP is 2 times of Vietnam's,lol,what a nation,speechless,haha

List of countries by GDP (nominal)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

38 Hong Kong 224,459
57 Vietnam 122,722

List of states by foreign-exchange reserves

8 Hong Kong 291,879
59 Vietnam 16,760

Get back to life now, VN control 40 isl and shoal while tiny TW only control 1or two isl in SCS, dude

And do I need to remind you that we just fired at TW's troop in Itu-aba isl and TW with china could do No thing but keeping their mouths shut?

they got the biggest island in the Spratly,and that's the only island which has fresh water in both Paracels and Spratly,and they are smart for not wasting money and resources stations all the tiny reefs which have no military significance,but if a war broke out bw Vietnma and Taiwan,read the list of all the ships and naval strength world rankings,Taiwan's navy can finish all Vietnamese navy in hours,alone.

 

[NiceGuy]

they got the biggest island in the Spratly,and that's the only island which has fresh water in both Paracels and Spratly,and they are smart for not wasting money and resources stations all the tiny reefs which have no military significance,but if a war broke out bw Vietnma and Taiwan

How many more times do I need to say again: our Big Spratly isl have fresh water and lots of civilians living there too ??

Read the list of all the ships and naval strength world rankings,Taiwan's navy can finish all Vietnamese navy in hours,alone

No one care about that trash list, all people could see was VN ship fired to TW troops in Itu-aba and both TW-CN could do Nothing but keeping their mouths shut

Even china also means Nothing to us in SCS(east sea),big bad boy like china doesn't have a guts to fight with us now bcz her army suck, so let alone tiny TW

 

[ephone]

isolated by who??? ASEAN???

China risks isolation if it occupies Spratlys
by Jojo Malig, ABS-CBNnews.com
07/18/2012 9:56 PM

 

[beijingwalker]

How many more times do I need to say again: our Big Spratly isl have fresh water and lots of civilians living there too ??

how many time do I have to ask you to educate yourself before speaking.

Taiping Island
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Taiping Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even china also means Nothing to us in SCS(east sea),big bad boy like china doesn't have a guts to fight with us now bcz her army suck, so let alone tiny TW

haha,you are all talk,we did that in 1974 and 1988 when China was very weak,now we send our ships patrolling your coastline and what do you want to do about it?

 

[faithfulguy]

How many more times do I need to say again: our Big Spratly isl have fresh water and lots of civilians living there too ??

No one care about that trash list, all people could see was VN ship fired to TW troops in Itu-aba and both TW-CN could do Nothing but keeping their mouths shut

Even china also means Nothing to us in SCS(east sea),big bad boy like china doesn't have a guts to fight with us now bcz her army suck, so let alone tiny TW

If Vietcong continue to fire at Taiwan owned islands, than Taiwan will certain send the ship into the bottom of the ocean. So next time when Vietnam send ships to attack Taiwan, make sure that the ship would make a good coral reef and the paints should not contain any lead as its not environmentally safe.

 

[Rechoice]

If Vietcong continue to fire at Taiwan owned islands, than Taiwan will certain send the ship into the bottom of the ocean. So next time when Vietnam send ships to attack Taiwan, make sure that the ship would make a good coral reef and the paints should not contain any lead as its not environmentally safe.

China is big, but Taiwan is nothing, he he.

 

[beijingwalker]

China is big, but Taiwan is nothing, he he.

Taiwan is a giant in front of Vietnam in every aspect.