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China rapidly narrows technology gap with S. Korea

So overall Korean technology is still ahead than that of China?


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I think the Koreans and Japanese are far more innovative than Chinese when it comes to original research. However the Chinese are better at 'adopting' and so as soon as anyone invents anything they will start making it themselves.
 
Now that I think about it, China actually has superior automotive technology compared to South Korea. Volvo is a wholly owned subsidiary of Zhejiang Geely Holding Group of China. That means China owns the technology and profits.

In reality, China is the one funding the construction of this new Volvo factory in the US.
Chinese-owned Volvo to open its first U.S. car plant - Mar. 30, 2015

China is using Volvo as a stepping stone for Chinese-made cars to enter the US market.
Volvo launches China-made car in United States - CNN.com

It's a good strategy. Instead of slowly building a domestic brand from the ground up, a process which took the Japanese decades, China purchased Volvo and leapfrogged several decades in technology. More importantly, China also purchased the Volvo brand, a reputable company which traces its heritage back to 1927.

Be honest. Wouldn't you rather own a Volvo S60 over a Hyundai?
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Also Nazi Germany has always considered annexing Sweden into a Greater Germanic Reich. Sweden is a Germanic speaking country and is part of the Nordic race.
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@ Martian,

in 70 China had been able to build aircraft that overcome Supersonic boundary (you said much more difficult).

But China still failed to build passenger plane Y-10, you know that?

Why?

If Speed is that much more difficult to attain then jet passenger plane should be easier to build.

So in 6 industries you are certain Korea is ahead of China. The other 7 industries you say it's hard to prove, but maybe that's because China and Korea are equal in those industries. If Korea was ahead in those 7 industries, then it would be easy to see.

So your claim that Korean OLED is higher quality is that Skyworth buys from them? :lol:

Korean OLED is more well recognised just like Samsung is more recognised in smartphones than Huawei and in TVs than TCL. Korean OLED has established reputation which leads companies to perceive them as 'quality' and buy from them, but that doesn't PROVE how Korean OLED is higher quality than Chinese OLED.
I need proof of the OLED technology itself that proves without a shadow of a doubt that Korean OLED is far superior because you said Korea is clearly ahead of China in display technology. It must be very easy to prove if Korea is so far ahead of China.

Your argument doesnt make Sense.

Skyworth selling that OLED still under brand "Skyworth" not brand "LG", so the well recognized brand advantage has no impact at all.

If you say that because of brand, then why Skyworth and other Chinese maker still use Chinese made LCD panel, and OLED panel for lower end TV?

Most other TV Skyworth and other Chinese TV maker sell are using Chinese own panel from BOE, CSOT, Panda, because of the price. So Price has much more impact rather than LG brand of the component (panel) which barely noticeable by consumers.

Saying Skyworth buys Korean OLED than Chinese OLED doesn't actually prove how Korean OLED is superior. They could be buying for reasons other than actual technological capability of the OLED itself. That's why I need proof, in what way is Korean OLED technology superior? What is the difference in the technology itself. If you can prove that Korean OLED has a MAJOR technology in them which Chinese OLEDs don't, I'm happy to say Korea is ahead of China in display technology.


That argument is more than enough, as long as you think with proper LOGIC.

If you still unable to discern that, then another prove:

Quality vs. Quantity: Korean LCD Industry to Beat Chinese Rivals with OLED Panels | BusinessKorea

Also another aditional prove, that chinese top panel maker BOE need to cooperate with Koreal OLED maker.

China grows OLED business with Korean firms

From chinese side, of course the advantage is access to technology and know how. From Korea side they can get better market access. Simillar to the cooperation between China-Japan-Germany for bullet train some years ago.

Have you ever heard allegation that China try to steal panel technology from Samsung/LG?

What does Korean OLED have that Chinese OLED doesn't have?


Quality.

The same like India/Thailand doesnt have that Japan has for Auto tech.
The same like China doesnt have that USA has for turbojet engine tech
The same like Indonesia doesnt have that Korea/Japan has for shipbulding tech.


Now that I think about it, China actually has superior automotive technology compared to South Korea. Volvo is a wholly owned subsidiary of Zhejiang Geely Holding Group of China. That means China owns the technology and profits.

In reality, China is the one funding the construction of this new Volvo factory in the US.
Chinese-owned Volvo to open its first U.S. car plant - Mar. 30, 2015

China is using Volvo as a stepping stone for Chinese-made cars to enter the US market.
Volvo launches China-made car in United States - CNN.com

It's a good strategy. Instead of slowly building a domestic brand from the ground up, a process which took the Japanese decades, China purchased Volvo and leapfrogged several decades in technology. More importantly, China also purchased the Volvo brand, a reputable company which traces its heritage back to 1927.

Be honest. Wouldn't you rather own a Volvo S60 over a Hyundai?
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Also Nazi Germany has always considered annexing Sweden into a Greater Germanic Reich. Sweden is a Germanic speaking country and is part of the Nordic race.
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Questions:

1. Is Volvo is still registered as Sweden company? in spite of Geely purchase.

2. Can Chinese car industry already able to absorb, emulate, and develop the Volvo technology then produce their own car with the same quality of Volvo?
 
I don't fully buy this table.

The US is still extremely dominant in the most critical domains, so we need to surpass them in every field.

They are the real benchmark, not anyone else.
This is correct. The US is still the ultimate benchmark for us. They have a vast amount of strategic tech that make everyone relied on them. In fact, the OP highly boastful of SK's OLED was a tech invented by Universal Display. They supplied OLED tech to Samsung, LG, etc.. They owned the patent, therefore can live off just royal fee. That just one example why we need to have this mindset of the US. Invent, R&D, applied for patents, and sell those patent and live off from it.
 
That argument is more than enough, as long as you think with proper LOGIC.

If you still unable to discern that, then another prove:

Quality vs. Quantity: Korean LCD Industry to Beat Chinese Rivals with OLED Panels | BusinessKorea

Also another aditional prove, that chinese top panel maker BOE need to cooperate with Koreal OLED maker.

China grows OLED business with Korean firms

From chinese side, of course the advantage is access to technology and know how. From Korea side they can get better market access. Simillar to the cooperation between China-Japan-Germany for bullet train some years ago.

Have you ever heard allegation that China try to steal panel technology from Samsung/LG?
What a joke. Korean LCDs partner with China LCDs to expand OLED adoption because they already invested heavily into OLED. What is better way to promote OLED other than in the biggest market in the world? Let not get ahead of yourself and believe OLED is an exclusive SK tech. It is an American tech and anyone can buy off their patents and use in their panel.

As for the reason why some Chinese LCD makers buy Korean OLED is because LG is willing to offer vast discount (again your common stereotypical nonsense about Chinese advantage using price as a keypoint). In fact, LG is losing money in this deal but the hope is that in a vast market, more adoption for OLED will occur and long term profit prevail for them. For us, we get cheap OLED already made as opposed to paying for royalty fee to US-patent tech OLED. It is a win-win situation for all. LOL
 
Yup, Japan's among the world's most advanced nations in pretty much all sectors.

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IKAROS Solar Sail - this one's a 1:64 model, the real one's in space
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H-IIB
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SRB-A3 Solid Rocket Booster
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Shizuku climate and water mapping satellite
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XF5-1 Jet engine
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Autonomous LEAF
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Japan can do anything anyone else can, and more than most other nations.
No. That's a "Japanese" turbofan engine (IHI XF5-1) licensed from the United States' GE.

Regarding rocketry, the indigenous Japanese model was discontinued due to frequent failure. The "Japanese" rocket used today is a derivative of American technology.
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Why does alleged Japanese XF-7-10 engine use GE cowl opening systems?

Has it occurred to you that the alleged Japanese XF-7-10 engine is actually an American GE engine derivative? And thus it is compatible with the GE cowl opening systems?

If the XF-7-10 was truly Japanese, it would use indigenous Japanese cowl opening systems.

IHI Corporation F7 | Rankly

"P-1's F7-10 is installed thrust reversal with GE's cowl opening systems."
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IHI is responsible for the XF-5 and XF-7-10 engines. However, IHI is a small $13 billion company whose primary business is as a shipyard.

IHI is merely a Boeing subcontractor. The United States has generously allowed the Japanese to build an American engine under license and call it "Japanese." It is most certainly not Japanese. The technologies are all American.

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IHI Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"IHI Corporation (株式会社IHI Kabushiki-gaisha IHI?), formerly known as Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries Co., Ltd. (石川島播磨重工業株式会社 Ishikawajima Harima Jūkōgyō Kabushiki-gaisha?), is a Japanese company which produces ships, aero-engines, turbochargers for automobiles, industrial machines, power station boilers and other facilities, suspension bridges and other transport-related machinery.

IHI turbochargers, commonly used in passenger automobiles, are manufactured by Ishikawajima-Harima.Boeing and General Electric Aviation have subcontracted parts of several models of jumbo jet aircraft out to IHI, as well as Kawasaki Heavy Industries, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, and Fuji Heavy Industries. It is listed in Tokyo Stock Exchange section 1.

History

1853 - establishment of Ishikawajima Shipyard
1889 - incorporation of Ishikawajima Shipyard as Ishikawajima Shipbuilding & Engineering Co., Ltd.
1907 - establishment of Harima Dock Co., Ltd.
1929 - spinoff of Harima's automobile section as Ishikawajima Automotive Works (later Isuzu through a series of mergers)
1960 - establishment of Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries Co., Ltd. through a merger of Ishikawajima and Harima
IHI and Sumitomo Heavy Industries merged a warship business in 1995 and established Marine United Ltd. The Uraga Dock Company was the origin in the shipbuilding of Sumitomo Heavy Industries. It was made by Enomoto Takeaki. However, Sumitomo Heavy Industries moved Uraga Dock to Yokosuka in 2003. IHI moved a shipbuilding section to Marine United in 2002 and changed name to IHI Marine United Ltd. IHI Marine United became the subsidiary of IHI in 2006.
2000 - purchased Nissan Motor’s Aerospace and Defense Divisions and established IHI Aerospace Co., Ltd.
2007 - name changed to IHI Corporation
2012 - merged its ship building unit, Marine United Inc., with Universal Shipbuilding Corp. of JFE Holdings after discussion started in April 2008[1]"
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Go to IHI's own website. They tell you that they license all of their aerospace technologies.

Aero Engines | Aero Engines and Space Products | IHI Corporation

"V2500 turbofan engine

This medium-size engine was developed in an international collaborative project involving Japan, U.S.A., U.K. and Germany, and has been installed on aircraft with 120 to 180 passenger seats such as the Airbus A319, A320, A321, and Boeing MD-90.
For this best-selling engine with over 5,000 orders to date, IHI supplies fan modules and low-pressure shafts, and also focuses its efforts on maintenance work.
A321 (©AIRBUS)


GE90 turbofan engine

This is an engine with the world's largest engine thrust installed in Boeing 777s. The largest model of this series has a diameter of over 3 m. This engine was jointly developed by a manufacturer group consisting of General Electric (GE) U.S.A. and IHI.


Trent turbofan engine

IHI supplies mainly the turboshaft and low- and medium-pressure turbine parts for this large-scale engine developed by the Rolls-Royce plc.

F110 turbofan engine

This engine powers the F-2 support fighter, which was jointly developed by the United States and Japan.IHI has conducted mass production as the prime contractor through a license with General Electric (GE) of U.S.A.

T700 turboshaft engine

This engine powers the Ministry of Defense anti-submarine, rescue, and multi-purpose helicopters. It is turning the rotors by converting the jet blast to rotative power. IHI also has conducted mass production through a license with General Electric (GE) of U.S.A."

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I missed one from IHI's website. Even for a small turbofan engine, IHI needs American help.

Aero Engines | Aero Engines and Space Products | IHI Corporation

"CF34 turbofan engine

This is a small-size engine for the world's regional jet planes with seating capacity of about 70 to 100. This engine was jointly developed and being produced by a manufacturer group consisting of General Electric (GE) U.S.A. and IHI.
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Give me a break. Japan's IHI is a "screwdriver" company. IHI licenses technology from Western countries and manufactures parts that were designed by Western aerospace multinationals.

Japan's IHI has just announced the news that it's manufacturing Pratt & Whitney parts for the American F-35. IHI cannot design and build a modern turbofan engine on its own (with the possible exception of a trainer and I'm not sure how much transfer of technology was involved there).

Read the following press release carefully. It describes the difference between American Pratt & Whitney and Japan's IHI.

Pratt & Whitney is "a world leader in the design and manufacture" of aircraft engines. IHI is a mere sub-"contractor" of aircraft engines in "international collaborative projects." This means the international partner brings the world-class technology and IHI performs some of the sub-contracting work.

Pratt & Whitney and IHI Sign Contract for Japan F135 Engines and Industrial... -- TOKYO, Nov. 6, 2013 /PRNewswire/ --

"Pratt & Whitney is a world leader in the design, manufacture and service of aircraft engines, auxiliary and ground power units and small turbojet propulsion products. United Technologies Corporation, based in Hartford, Conn., is a diversified company providing high technology products and services to the global aerospace and building industries. To learn more about UTC, visit the website or follow the company on Twitter: @UTC.

IHI is the primary contractor and manufacturer for the aircraft engines used by the Japan Ministry of Defense, and participates in international collaborative projects that develop and supply various market segments, from super large to small engines for civilian aircraft."
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I will trace the lineage of IHI's XF-5 engine.

From his own citation, we know the XF-5 engine is derived from the XF-7 used on the Kawasaki XP-1 maritime patrol aircraft. I have included my own citation as a second source.

Japan's new fighter takes | Aviation International News
"Power comes from two IHI XF5-1 afterburning engines, derived from the same core as that of the XF7 high-bypass-ratio turbofan used in the Kawasaki XP-1 maritime patroller."

From Global Security, we know that the XF-7 is based on General Electric's CF34-8 engine. The only minor difference is a larger diameter for the engine and nacelle.

P-X Maritime Patrol Follow-on | Global Security
"This all-new Japanese engine is similar in most respects to the General Electric CF34-8, in which IHI and KHI have a production share. The big difference is that the US engine has a bypass ratio in the region of 5, while that of the Japanese engine is 8. This ought to make it quite quiet and fuel efficient, and was achieved with only a modest increase in engine and nacelle diameter. On published figures, the Japanese engine is also significantly shorter."

General Electric CF34-8 engine ---> minor enlargement of engine and nacelle diameter ---> Japan's IHI XF-7 engine ---> some more minor tweaks ---> Japan's IHI XF-5 engine (which has the same core as the XF-7 engine, see citation above by Aviation International News Online).

In conclusion, Japan's IHI XF-5 engine is merely a General Electric CF34-8 engine variant. The core technologies all came from General Electric.
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Your citation:

"IHI Named a Major Participant in the GE CF34-8C Engine Program
April 28, 1995

LYNN, Massachusetts - GE Aircraft Engines and Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries (IHI) of Japan have signed a Memorandum Of Understanding whereby IHI is responsible for the design and manufacture of approximately 25 to 30 percent of the CF34-8C turbofan engine."

Who designed the other 75% of the engine? General Electric.

Since GE designed 75% and IHI did 25%, who do you think deserves the credit for the engine?
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Japan's IHI has been licensing GE turbofan engine technology for 56 years.

Nothing has changed. Japan's IHI is still building engines based on GE technology.

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GE Aviation

"History with GE: CF34-8/-10 and GE90 engines. IHI has assembled GE engines under license for more than half a century. MHI will participate as the manufacturer of the combustor case."

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Starting Something Big: The Commercial Emergence of GE Aircraft Engines - Robert V. Garvin - Google Books

"Robert V. Garvin - 1998 - ‎Business & Economics
The Commercial Emergence of GE Aircraft Engines Robert V. Garvin ... In 1960, IHI began to manufacture J79 engines under GE license for the Japan Air Self ..."

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General Electric J79

"The J79-IHI-11A was a licensed production GE-11A, built in Japan by Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries Co., Ltd to power their similarly licensed built F-104J and F-104DJ Starfighters. The J79-MTU-J1K was licensed built and improved version of the GE-11A manufactured by MTU Aero Engines (a merger of BMW and MAN) in Germany."
 
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Agree, far more qualified and intelligent than certain forum members with +200 or 100 positive ratings.

Well, as long as someone is staunchly a China basher, it will be easier for him/her to be promoted as a think tank or professional.

Martin is simply kicking their a$$ in a debate, that's why he got so many negative ratings as a retaliation.
 
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I think the Koreans and Japanese are far more innovative than Chinese when it comes to original research. However the Chinese are better at 'adopting' and so as soon as anyone invents anything they will start making it themselves.
You are correct. For now, the Japanese and the South Koreans are ahead, but they are vulnerable.

What our Chinese members do not understand is that when their China begins modernization, China is no different than Japan at the start of the 20th century. In both situations, both countries benefits from others' work and in many ways, can be much more flexible in implementation and heading. Imperial Japan was behind the West when the Japanese started sending their best and brightest overseas to learn, then in one generation, the Japanese became powerful enough to co-start a world war.

What our Chinese members also do not understand is that there is a difference between institutions and products. The Japanese and the South Koreans have been technologically ahead of China for decades longer, that made their scientific institutions, from education all the way to manufacturing, wealthier in terms of intellectual knowledge. The downside is that the longer institutions are established, inertia sets in.

An excellent example is Toshiba who invented the NAND memory structure. Once the knowledge on how to build the NAND memory structure are known, other companies who are more agile than Toshiba in terms of manufacturing and market exploitation, surpassed Toshiba in scale and market share, but not in intellectual knowledge. This is where our Chinese members failed to understand.

Another example is the automobile. The US market is a lucrative one. The full size Toyota Tacoma truck is designed and manufactured primarily for the North American market. But just because Toyota outproduces Mercedes that does not mean Toyota have a greater intellectual storehouse on how to design and build autos. If anything, European designers still set the bar on high end automobiles.
 
Yup, Japan's among the world's most advanced nations in pretty much all sectors.

HTV-5 cargo resupply vehicle
9204182_orig.jpg


IKAROS Solar Sail - this one's a 1:64 model, the real one's in space
1280px-IKAROS_IAC_2010.jpg


H-IIB
b107f6e357827188810a445e3d3958a0.jpg


SRB-A3 Solid Rocket Booster
23f2e0c4318a6f054546b6696a668eed.jpg


Shizuku climate and water mapping satellite
japan-shizuku-satellite.jpg


XF5-1 Jet engine
70.jpg


Autonomous LEAF
Nissan-autonotmous-LEAF.jpg


Japan can do anything anyone else can, and more than most other nations.
除了那辆车外,全是用来吹牛的样子货。
Pls @Martian2 try to dig out some funny things about these above Japanese space programs that the Japanese member here has bragged long time.

You are correct. For now, the Japanese and the South Koreans are ahead, but they are vulnerable.

What our Chinese members do not understand is that when their China begins modernization, China is no different than Japan at the start of the 20th century. In both situations, both countries benefits from others' work and in many ways, can be much more flexible in implementation and heading. Imperial Japan was behind the West when the Japanese started sending their best and brightest overseas to learn, then in one generation, the Japanese became powerful enough to co-start a world war.

What our Chinese members also do not understand is that there is a difference between institutions and products. The Japanese and the South Koreans have been technologically ahead of China for decades longer, that made their scientific institutions, from education all the way to manufacturing, wealthier in terms of intellectual knowledge. The downside is that the longer institutions are established, inertia sets in.

An excellent example is Toshiba who invented the NAND memory structure. Once the knowledge on how to build the NAND memory structure are known, other companies who are more agile than Toshiba in terms of manufacturing and market exploitation, surpassed Toshiba in scale and market share, but not in intellectual knowledge. This is where our Chinese members failed to understand.

Another example is the automobile. The US market is a lucrative one. The full size Toyota Tacoma truck is designed and manufactured primarily for the North American market. But just because Toyota outproduces Mercedes that does not mean Toyota have a greater intellectual storehouse on how to design and build autos. If anything, European designers still set the bar on high end automobiles.
With a Viet, we don't like to discuss anythings technological about Korean or Japanese, we just ask a very simple question where is the little Vietnam.:rofl:
 
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除了那辆车外,全是用来吹牛的样子货。
Pls @Martian2 try to dig out some funny things about these upper Japanese space programs that the Japanese member here has bragged long time.


To a Viet, we don't like to talk anythings about Korean or Japanese, we just ask a very simple question where is the little Vietnam.:rofl:

Most Chinese members are now considered Japan as a "科技伪强国".

Most Chinese netizens aren't buying the crap that "Japan is technologically superior", only the US is a real challenge.
 
除了那辆车外,全是用来吹牛的样子货。
Pls @Martian2 try to dig out some funny things about these above Japanese space programs that the Japanese member here has bragged long time.


To a Viet, we don't like to talk anythings about Korean or Japanese, we just ask a very simple question where is the little Vietnam.
Japan's N-1/H-1 rocket is a licensed derivative of America's Delta rocket (see GlobalSecurity citation below).

Delta III and Delta IV | GlobalSecurity
"The H-1 was a Delta derivative, arising from the licensed production of the Delta 1 as the N-1."
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The Japanese N-2 rocket is also a derivative of America's Delta rocket, but I can't find a citation for it. It's not easy to prove that Japan is merely using licensed American technology. The mass media tries to hide the fact.

I recall this fact, because I watched a documentary about it a long time ago.

Right now, we only have Wikipedia's chronological narrative.

"The N-II or N-2 was a derivative of the American Delta rocket, produced under licence in Japan. It used a Thor-ELT first stage, a Delta-F second stage, nine Castor SRMs, and on most flights either a Star-37E or Burner-2 upper stage, identical to the US Delta 0100 series configurations. Eight were launched between 1981 and 1987, before it was replaced by the H-I, which featured Japanese-produced upper stages. All eight launches were successful."
 
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