China or India?

[HAIDER]

Todays India is Cghina of 1998-2000.... check the figures. Our exports are just starting to take off (currently at 350 billion$) and our economy is 2.3 trillion$ with an average growth of 7-8%. Even if we maintain this growth, India will be a 5 trillion $ economy in 2022-3.

I agree India is way way behind of TODAY'S China. But , as was China a decade ago, we are experiencing the same boom, only a bit better because:

1) Our demographic dividend is more than China. Average age of Indians is in the mid 20s... so a huge labour force that can be tapped
2) Unlike China, we have good relations with almost all the nations (including Israel, Iran, USA, Russia, etc.) In fact, China is still seen suspiciously in the west.
3) With Chinese growth maturing and saturating (they just lost 4 trillion $ for God's sake), India is the logical next economic rising giant.



Whose fault it is? Isn't it our diplomatic victory that we can purchase 5th gen fighters/ aircraft carriers from Russia on one hand and have C-17/ P8I from USA? We are perhaps the only country to have a strategic relationship with Israel and the best partner of Iran in Mid-East/ South Asia. Even if we are your enemies, you guys have to admit that we Indians have done a pretty good job diplomatically.

That what I said China is facing sanctions. Even China always kept non interference policy. But west wants to bring democracy in China, already started unrest in Hong Kong. But still Chinese are growing much faster, even after disturbance in Ulger to Hong Kong

Whose fault it is? Isn't it our diplomatic victory that we can purchase 5th gen fighters/ aircraft carriers from Russia on one hand and have C-17/ P8I from USA? We are perhaps the only country to have a strategic relationship with Israel and the best partner of Iran in Mid-East/ South Asia. Even if we are your enemies, you guys have to admit that we Indians have done a pretty good job diplomatically.

Its all after 1962, when India lost the war against China, Where West realize they need strong Indian to confront Chinese future expansion .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Freakin madness. I ask the Iranian's a simple question. Next thing the room is full of Indian waving their frreaken heads and farting about their trillion dollar economy forgetting that they have trillion Indian's in the country.

Then we get a lone Turk tripping inside who is so confused with bias over the Uighur issue that he thinks Indian economy is doing better than China. Right.

The Iranian's? Bar the hindmost, rest of clever ones are in considered state of reticence.

Pdf is going down the drain.

 

[Tridibans]

Freakin madness. I ask the Iranian's a simple question. Next thing the room is full of Indian waving their frreaken heads and farting about their trillion dollar economy forgetting that they have trillion Indian's in the country.

Then we get a lone Turk tripping inside who is so confused with bias over the Uighur issue that he thinks Indian economy is doing better than China. Right.

The Iranian's? Bar the hindmost rest clever ones are in considered state of reticence.

Pdf is going down the drain.

Chill maaro Atanz yaara.... I am outta here..... request Indian members not to respond as the op clearly says Iranian members....

 

[HAIDER]

Freakin madness. I ask the Iranian's a simple question. Next thing the room is full of Indian waving their frreaken heads and farting about their trillion dollar economy forgetting that they have trillion Indian's in the country.

Then we get a lone Turk tripping inside who is so confused with bias over the Uighur issue that he thinks Indian economy is doing better than China. Right.

The Iranian's? Bar the hindmost, rest of clever ones are in considered state of reticence.

Pdf is going down the drain.

lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....non interference policy.......and non aligned movement . After all Indian and Pakistani two side of same coin .....lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...Third world we have excuse of everything for doing nothing....anyway, keep up this debate.....poori debate ki MC kardi

 

[Kaniska]

Hello my Iranian friends. I am just curious about how Iranians feel about China and India. China is rising power and no dobut will be knocking at Iran's door soon. I know India is getting closer to US and Isreal.

But I am wondering between China and India whose influence will previail in the long term on Iran? Of course you would want both but but if push came to shove. Take a look at India. When it came to choosing between USA and Iran India chose USA based on it's interests.

Look forward to your views guys.

@Serpentine

I am not sure about their choices...If i would be in their shoes, my answer would have been simple...Whoever can bring more monetary and economic benefit to Iran, Iran will be closer to them...Now, let China and India decide if they would like to invest in Iran more than others so as to get closer to Iran..In that way, Iran do not need to answer this question, rather both China and India has to figure it out how to entertain Iran.

@Serpentine correct me if i am wrong..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....non interference policy.......and non aligned movement . After all Indian and Pakistani two side of same coin .....lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...Third world we have excuse of everything for doing nothing....anyway, keep up this debate.....poori debate ki MC kardi

I am leaving. Can somebody escort this infant back to the nursery school please.

 

[nForce]

I am leaving. Can somebody escort this infant back to the nursery school please.

Atanz, most of the Iranians are still in their bed or having breakfast. Give it some time

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I am not sure about their choices...If i would be in their shoes, my answer would have been simple...Whoever can bring more monetary and economic benefit to China will be closer to Iran...Now, let China and India deciide if they would like to invest in Iran more than others so as to get closer to Iran..In that way, Iran do not need to answer this question, rather both China and India has to figure it out how to entertain Iran.

@Serpentine correct me if i am wrong..

This is going to be interesting how this plays out. The Iranians are savvy, the Chinese we all know are 3 feet up and 6 feet under and Indians ..... well we all know who Chanakya was.

 

[HAIDER]

Ok. So you want to invoke the I... word and expect Indians to behave life veiled women of middle east. Sorry dude you should have seen that coming.

Keep old beautiful tradition alive.

Atanz, most of the Iranians are still in their bed or having breakfast. Give it some time

Pher apna sona ka time ho jaiga ....

I am leaving. Can somebody escort this infant back to the nursery school please.

ok, I am chill now...lolz...if you are upset I delete my comments. ?

 

[Not So Good]

Hello my Iranian friends. I am just curious about how Iranians feel about China and India. China is rising power and no dobut will be knocking at Iran's door soon. I know India is getting closer to US and Isreal.

But I am wondering between China and India whose influence will previail in the long term on Iran? Of course you would want both but but if push came to shove. Take a look at India. When it came to choosing between USA and Iran India chose USA based on it's interests.

Look forward to your views guys.

@Serpentine

Man this is ridiculous talk, just look at sheer size of Chinese economy and their defence industry
We are't even in same page

 

[Kaniska]

This is going to be interesting how this plays out. The Iranians are savvy, the Chinese we all know are 3 feet up and 6 feet under and Indians ..... well we all know who Chanakya was.

I understand your point and intent..If you go by your thought, because, you feel India is anti Muslim, Iran should not deal anyway with India..So the only option left out is China...And honestly, your assumption is valid from your perspective too..But think about Iran's perspective, if they are getting benifit from both parties, then why would they choose? Why can not they take both benifit at a time? See...India and Pakistan has problem...But for Iran, they do not have problem to choose one of them..

But i can see that one thing for sure that China enjoys certain advantage over India due to excess foreign reserve where it can invest in Iran at will and also it has its own defence industry...So in that sense, you are right, China has the advantage in those two areas.

 

[Not So Good]

Why are you thinking Iran will choose between India and China? What makes you think Iran cannot have great relations (economical, military etc) with both of them?

There is not just right and wrong answers. There are also right and wrong questions. Your question is not a right question to ask, especially because the choices of answers you offer are not realistic, certainly not in real life as far as Iran is concerned. There is no push comes to shove which means Iran has to chose between the two. Sanctions made it difficult to deal with both China and India. I don't see a situation where Iran has to choose between them.

The Indians can have relations with US and Israel. This does not concern Iran. India did not choose the US over Iran but they had to go along with the sanction because they had little other choice otherwise they would have been sanctioned. However despite the sanctions, the Indians still did not completely comply with the US in the sanctions. Same goes for China.

I know Pakistanis would love to see Iran cut its relations with India. But this is like child fantasy. It will not happen. From now on, Iran's relations with India will only increase, same with our relation with China. If Pakistan does not want to be left behind, then you guys need to develop your country and have things to offer. Forget these fantasies about Iran choosing x country over India.

Sir you shattered his dreams tonight

 

[volcano]

Smart countries donot put an OR between nations. They will put an AND between nations. It's something pakistan need to understand.

 

[opruh]

China is a matured dying economy while India still has room to grow as an emerging market. The recent crash is only the tip of the iceberg in China. For Iran having good relations with both is best so it can do business with both countries but to answer the question of the thread I think India is the most logical choice for Iran. India is not expansionist and aggressive as China. India is still doing better than China economically. India has good relations with strong economies abroad. India doesn't cheat and respects the rules. India is trust-able partner that doesn't want to create havoc in the region. There are probably more reasons but this I what I could think from the top of my head.

Indians trying to act mature here but readily thanked a negative comment about China, Indian jealousy is too strong.

Turkey is already a dead economy so to my Iranian friends, don't get to close to Turkey.

 

[Echo_419]

Why are you thinking Iran will choose between India and China? What makes you think Iran cannot have great relations (economical, military etc) with both of them?

There is not just right and wrong answers. There are also right and wrong questions. Your question is not a right question to ask, especially because the choices of answers you offer are not realistic, certainly not in real life as far as Iran is concerned. There is no push comes to shove which means Iran has to chose between the two. Sanctions made it difficult to deal with both China and India. I don't see a situation where Iran has to choose between them.

The Indians can have relations with US and Israel. This does not concern Iran. India did not choose the US over Iran but they had to go along with the sanction because they had little other choice otherwise they would have been sanctioned. However despite the sanctions, the Indians still did not completely comply with the US in the sanctions. Same goes for China.

I know Pakistanis would love to see Iran cut its relations with India. But this is like child fantasy. It will not happen. From now on, Iran's relations with India will only increase, same with our relation with China. If Pakistan does not want to be left behind, then you guys need to develop your country and have things to offer. Forget these fantasies about Iran choosing x country over India.

Truth cannot be further from this
Indo-Iranian relations are strong & are independent of our relations with US or Israel,hell we even made a fictitious bank to pay for your oil search UCO bank

Chances are similar to how the Chinese do most of the Iranian's are going to reserve their thoughts except for the hindmost whose already spouted.

The fact is USA and India are heading toward some sort of strategic alliance which in time will shape up into some type of military architecture also. Therefore I am wondering where is Iran going manouvre itself in this increasing US/Indian alliance.

This will correllate with the increasing Chinese presence in this part of the world. My question was more related to this. For example I saw some Iranian members talking about buying Chinese fighters in particulae as Chinese technology improves. One of the reasons they gave was Chinese fighters would not be "sanction proof".

What kind of analysis is this,now try to understand what I am going to say India as a mature power does not have to choose BTW Iran or the US we have a strong & a vibrant economy meaning we can have good relations with both the nations & unlike the Pakistanis we don't backstab our ally's when the US asks us to do so