China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years

[EAsian]

What about the Torah?



Thats actually alot of the US too, to many it is more a social gathering (church) thing than something genuinely spiritual.

I wonder why Christianity is finding such fertile ground in China.



images and attribution of divinity aside, there was a real person named Jesus (or at least called himself Jesus) who began christianity. Jesus was as real as Muhammend and Moses.

Because it's an easy one,just like buddism.Most of Chinese are atheist,so an easy and not so serious religion suits the taste..

 

[Tergon18]

Funny, coming from a Pakistani. It was your ancestors that submitted and converted en masse. Most of today's India resisted and persisted.

You are a muslim today, because your ancestors cowardishly submitted to islamic invaders. Most Indians are not muslims today, because their ancestors resisted, and refused to convert.

Most of Pakistanis were not converted foricbly but converted by the efforts of various Sufi saints such as Baba Fariduddin Ganjshakar, Ali Hajwairi, Lal Shehbaz Qalandar, Sultan Bahu, Abdul Latif Bhittai etc. If foricble conversion had taken place, then all of India would have been Muslim by now. Almost every village in Pakistan has a shrine of a Sufi saint.

Maybe, maybe not - but Indians' superstitions are not half as destructive as muslim superstitions.

You won't have non-muslim Indians flying planes into buildings or knifing people in China or blowing up in European cities.

All religions are superstitions - but some are more primitive and more destructive than others.

But you would find them massacring Muslims en masse in Gujarat and various other riots. 9/11 was done due to political reasons, it had nothing to do with religion.

 

[Nimitam]

images and attribution of divinity aside, there was a real person named Jesus (or at least called himself Jesus) who began christianity. Jesus was as real as Muhammend and Moses.

There is no historical record of jesus ever existing. No ROMAN HISTORICAL document mention him.

The name 'jesus' itself is fake. It's a corruption of the hebrew world for son 'Joshua'.

 

[Tergon18]

You submitted to "allah" because the invaders put a sword to your neck and told you. And you cowardishly obeyed.

Were your ancestors' "evolution" a gradual change, a product of philosophizing and thinking? Or did it happen as soon as the islamic invaders put a sword to your neck?

Hinduism was there for thousands of years - how come your ancestors did not convert to islam until foreign invaders put a sword to your neck? Because your ancestors cowardishly converted out of fear. If it happened out of a rational understanding, they would havee done so a thousand years before arabs invaded and converted you.

BTW hindus don't believe in any purple headed idols either - that is your childish, ignorant misunderstanding. Hindus consider all those images to be the reflection of an ultimate reality, of which they too are a part - that is their belief since the vedic times. "Aham Brahmasmi" - that "I am part of the single cosmic reality". Any idols they pray to are merely a reflection of that oneness, and every hindu knows that.

Admit the realty, it would be a lot easier for you - your ancestors fearfully converted to the invaders' simplistic religion, and you are a muslim today because your ancestors fearfully converted. If they had the nerve to strand up to the invaders, and declare that their pantheism was much more sophisticated than the muslim's simplistic "Allah created men to worship Allah" nonsense, then you would not have been a muslim today.

A "god" creating humans simply to worship him is about as ludicrous as it can get. What an egomaniac such a good must be!

If anything, it was the ancestors of Indians that were forcibly converted to Hindoo-ism (which didnt even have a name before the British gave it one). It was a religion brought on by the invading Aryans to subjugate and oppress the native Dravidians into the barbaric caste system and make them Shudras. Aryan invasion is proved countless times by lingusitics (Indo-European langauges) and genetics (Harappa DNA Project, Harvard Genealogical Study of India). And Pakistanis were converted willingly by Sufi saints. Had forcible conversion taken place all of India would have been Muslim but that is not the case is it?

 

[Nimitam]

Let's admit that Indians are as superstitious as muslim firstly.

Superstition is different from religion.

Every society in the world is superstitious. Have you ever heard of "wishing people Good Luck" ? THAT is superstition.

Unless you are going to tell me that Chinese people never wish anyone good luck

 

[Tergon18]

If anything, it was the ancestors of Indians that were forcibly converted to Hindoo-ism (which didnt even have a name before the British gave it one). It was a religion brought on by the invading Aryans to subjugate and oppress the native Dravidians into the barbaric caste system and make them Shudras. Aryan invasion is proved countless times by lingusitics (Indo-European langauges) and genetics (Harappa DNA Project, Harvard Genealogical Study of India). And Pakistanis were converted willingly by Sufi saints. Had forcible conversion taken place all of India would have been Muslim but that is not the case is it?

You DO Realize Jesus itself is a fictional character, right ?

None of the images are 'real'



LOL...... you are again talking with Nativity and ignorance.

Faith has NOTHING to do with KNOWLEDGE. Faith has everything to do with EMOTION.

People do not go to these religion to seek knowledge. They go there for 'hope', to counter 'fear', to find 'love', 'acceptance', etc. Religion satisfies an emotional NEED. And THAT is a NEED far stronger than "rational thought'.


Its like saying that a man should not masturbate because there is no women and that 'knowledge' should be enough to stop him. But does that knowledge stop him ?

The 'flock' is decreasing in the western world because they have evolved to find their emotional needs within society, family, Psychiatrists etc. They have the necessary emotional maturity to outgrow primitive religion like Christianity.

I know with a certainty that communist ruled states like China is NO WHERE CLOSE to have that kind of emotional maturity. That is one of the draw backs of living in a controlled environment.

The very fact that you are naive enough to counter religion with education, tells me that you are going to fight a loosing battle. You do not even understand the enemy you face. You cannot stop christiantiy with education. Almost 99% of Christians are 'educated'

Without religion, and I am talking about religion in general not any particular religion even deists, there would be no morality. Athiesm has no moral basis.

 

[Nimitam]

Without religion, and I am talking about religion in general not any particular religion even deists, there would be no morality. Athiesm has no moral basis.

Wrong. Morality does not have foundation in religion.

Religion has foundation in Morality. Morality came first, not religion.

 

[Tergon18]

You submitted to "allah" because the invaders put a sword to your neck and told you. And you cowardishly obeyed.

Were your ancestors' "evolution" a gradual change, a product of philosophizing and thinking? Or did it happen as soon as the islamic invaders put a sword to your neck?

Hinduism was there for thousands of years - how come your ancestors did not convert to islam until foreign invaders put a sword to your neck? Because your ancestors cowardishly converted out of fear. If it happened out of a rational understanding, they would havee done so a thousand years before arabs invaded and converted you.

BTW hindus don't believe in any purple headed idols either - that is your childish, ignorant misunderstanding. Hindus consider all those images to be the reflection of an ultimate reality, of which they too are a part - that is their belief since the vedic times. "Aham Brahmasmi" - that "I am part of the single cosmic reality". Any idols they pray to are merely a reflection of that oneness, and every hindu knows that.

Admit the realty, it would be a lot easier for you - your ancestors fearfully converted to the invaders' simplistic religion, and you are a muslim today because your ancestors fearfully converted. If they had the nerve to strand up to the invaders, and declare that their pantheism was much more sophisticated than the muslim's simplistic "Allah created men to worship Allah" nonsense, then you would not have been a muslim today.

A "god" creating humans simply to worship him is about as ludicrous as it can get. What an egomaniac such a good must be!

And the concept of God in most religions, including Abrahamic religions, is of a non-universal prescence that created humans (the only spiritual, concsious creatures in the universe) who are moral free agents that can do good or evil through conscious desicions and choose to live with Him eternally or apart from Him.

Wrong. Morality does not have foundation in religion.

Religion has foundation in Morality. Morality came first, not religion.

Wrong. If I commit murder, lie, cheat or steal why would that be wrong, from a purely athiestic point of view?

 

[Jlaw]

Call it East Asian pragmatism. One extra god would not do any harm, especially for old folks, just in case one needs help in the future.

LOL

Most likely, Jesus' kung fu is not strong enough, hence getting nailed to the cross. Up to Guan Yu to lead the fight.

 

[anon45]

There is no historical record of jesus ever existing. No ROMAN HISTORICAL document mention him.

The name 'jesus' itself is fake. It's a corruption of the hebrew world for son 'Joshua'.

The consensus among biblical scholars is that he did in fact exist.

https://books.google.com/books?id=lwzliMSRGGkC&hl=en

https://books.google.com/books?id=IJP4DRCVaUMC

https://books.google.com/books?id=GjvmQgAACAAJ

https://books.google.com/books?id=lwzliMSRGGkC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#cite_note-voorst16-20


Jesus is referenced in the Talmud,

http://www.bede.org.uk/jesusmyth.htm

Also the roman historian Tacitus mentions Jesus as existing, though not in any great detail. The Jewish historian Josephus also confirms the existence of Jesus.
http://www.josephus.org/testimonium.htm

Roman records referencing Jesus possibly not surviving aside, Roman historians would not have been interested in a minor religious 'cult' on the frontier of the empire, they would be focused on emperors and kings and the politics of empires and war.

 

[Jlaw]

The consensus among biblical scholars is that he did in fact exist.

https://books.google.com/books?id=lwzliMSRGGkC&hl=en

https://books.google.com/books?id=IJP4DRCVaUMC

https://books.google.com/books?id=GjvmQgAACAAJ

https://books.google.com/books?id=lwzliMSRGGkC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#cite_note-voorst16-20


Jesus is referenced in the Talmud,

http://www.bede.org.uk/jesusmyth.htm

Also the roman historian Tacitus mentions Jesus as existing, though not in any great detail. The Jewish historian Josephus also confirms the existence of Jesus.
http://www.josephus.org/testimonium.htm

Roman records referencing Jesus possibly not surviving aside, Roman historians would not have been interested in a minor religious 'cult' on the frontier of the empire, they would be focused on emperors and kings and the politics of empires and war.

So many other reports to conclude Jesus is not real. Think about it.

He only has 13 disciples. Some kid unboxing a product on Youtube has more followers
Jesus can turn water into wine. Great. But the bible forgot to mention fermentation.
Jesus can walk on water. Great.
Jesus can heal the blind. Great.
Jesus resurrected in three days. Great. Why only his family and a few disciples witnessed this "miracle"? No historians reported this.

But why such a great man only has 13 disciples and no other historians who lived around the same time even mention his name?

 

[anon45]

So many other reports to conclude Jesus is not real. Think about it.

He only has 13 disciples. Some kid unboxing a product on Youtube has more followers
Jesus can turn water into wine. Great. But the bible forgot to mention fermentation.
Jesus can walk on water. Great.
Jesus can heal the blind. Great.
Jesus resurrected in three days. Great. Why only his family and a few disciples witnessed this "miracle"? No historians reported this.

But why such a great man only has 13 disciples and no other historians who lived around the same time even mention his name?

What? I didn't say anything about the veracity of the 'miracles' he performed, I only am saying that the consensus among scholars is that he did in fact exist, and there are multiple contemporary historian accounts that corraborate it.
I mentioned above why Roman historians would not be interested.

What does having 13 disciples and youtube have to do with it?

 

[Echo_419]

Faith is powerful and seductive - for people who knows nothing. Why do you think the evangelicals are willing to traverse the harsh and dangerous lands of the third world to spread faith? Its because faith is losing steam in their own homelands where the educated are more inclined to question the correctness of faith. Church attendance in the Western world is decreasing steadily because education is increasing. In the backward lands of the third world people will adopt 'God" because they lack the intellectual capacity to know better.

How to stop Christianity or slow it? Education!

That argument is false & has been debunked manytimes

 

[TaiShang]

So many other reports to conclude Jesus is not real. Think about it.

He only has 13 disciples. Some kid unboxing a product on Youtube has more followers
Jesus can turn water into wine. Great. But the bible forgot to mention fermentation.
Jesus can walk on water. Great.
Jesus can heal the blind. Great.
Jesus resurrected in three days. Great. Why only his family and a few disciples witnessed this "miracle"? No historians reported this.

But why such a great man only has 13 disciples and no other historians who lived around the same time even mention his name?

He might indeed have existed as a historical personality, but all the stories running about him... Does not make sense.

Being tortured to death (even if true) should not be a specialty for his time; so, the salvation/redemption story is all fabricated.

If every man died under torture had similar privilages (including coming back to world for a second time), we would have more people doing a second coming than going away forever.

LOL

Most likely, Jesus' kung fu is not strong enough, hence getting nailed to the cross. Up to Guan Yu to lead the fight.

I do not think even getting nailed on a piece of wood was not exclusively for him. He must be glad that he was not cooked to death inside a pit.

I believe those guys deserve a second coming more than him.

 

[Jlaw]

What? I didn't say anything about the veracity of the 'miracles' he performed, I only am saying that the consensus among scholars is that he did in fact exist, and there are multiple contemporary historian accounts that corraborate it.
I mentioned above why Roman historians would not be interested.

What does having 13 disciples and youtube have to do with it?

And i'm saying that here you supposedly have this great man, son of God who can do all these miraculous things, yet only have 13 disciples and NO scholar/historian AT THE TIME wrote about him other than his name appearing in the bible--which according to some scholars is equivalent to a Harry Potter novel