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China offers goodies to Pakistan, urges world powers not to abandon it

You are wrong.. Non believers are called Kafirs.. so you will still remain Kafirs.. If you do not know the word just google it..

I've seen that word before. It means "non-believer" in Arabic.

Firstly, I have never seen any Pakistani calling us Kafirs, I have only ever seen Indians claiming that this will happen. :lol:

Secondly, so what? Even if someone did call us that, then it's correct. We are mostly non-religious.
 
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China will be doing the world good favor by De Radicalizing Pakistan, there are only two countries Pakistan listens Saudis and China and the Saudi path isn't going to well China should De Radicalize Pakistan.
 
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I just replied since you asked their views about Atheism.. I will still say google a bit about Kafirs and then make a wise decision. I don't have anything else to add to it. Good luck!!

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China will be doing the world good favor by De Radicalizing Pakistan, there are only two countries Pakistan listens Saudis and China and the Saudi path isn't going to well China should De Radicalize Pakistan.

Before anybody else, it will be a favor to Pakistan and Pakistanis and will probably help in turning around their economy.. I wish that happens soon.. China all the power to you, if that's the intention..
 
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I just replied since you asked their views about Atheism.. I will still say google a bit about Kafirs and then make a wise decision. I don't have anything else to add to it. Good luck!!

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Before anybody else, it will be a favor to Pakistan and Pakistanis and will probably help in turning around their economy.. I wish that happens soon.. China all the power to you, if that's the intention..

Well Pakistan trust China even more then the Saudi's.
 
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Before anybody else, it will be a favor to Pakistan and Pakistanis and will probably help in turning around their economy.. I wish that happens soon.. China all the power to you, if that's the intention..

Pakistan likes us precisely because we do not interfere in their internal affairs.

The power to improve someone belongs to that person and that person alone.

The Jihadi attacks against India have mostly been from Indian Muslims groups anyway, like IM and SIMI. India keeps claiming otherwise of course, but even they don't believe it, otherwise they would have done something.
 
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Buddy, they may be Muslim, but I have never seen them taking any issue with our atheism... whereas you did. :azn:

Mr. Dragon,

I don't take issue with your atheism, per se. It is just that the PRC, in its embrace of atheism, created a society that is amoral. That is a society that has no moral compass, beyond a combination of Communist Party supremacy and Chinese nationalism. Because of this, I believe, the PRC is not a force for "good" (morality) in human affairs. However, I do think that this will change and that, in another generation, the influence of "godless" Maoism will have given way to a return to traditional Chinese Confucian values.
 
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Mr. Dragon,

I don't take issue with your atheism, per se. It is just that the PRC, in its embrace of atheism, created a society that is amoral. That is a society that has no moral compass, beyond a combination of Communist Party supremacy and Chinese nationalism. Because of this, I believe, the PRC is not a force for "good" (morality) in human affairs. However, I do think that this will change and that, in another generation, the influence of "godless" Maoism will have given way to a return to traditional Chinese Confucian values.

If Maoist ideology was the key driving force behind China, then how could Deng Xiaoping become the Paramount leader of the PRC? :no:

Our ideology now is "Pragmatism". Though I suppose you would see that as equally "godless".

And anyway, we do still follow some of the ideas of Confucianism. This saying for example "己所不欲,勿施于人" - is essentially the same as the "Golden Rule" of international ethics. I.e. Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.
 
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Mr. Dragon,

I don't take issue with your atheism, per se. It is just that the PRC, in its embrace of atheism, created a society that is amoral. That is a society that has no moral compass, beyond a combination of Communist Party supremacy and Chinese nationalism. Because of this, I believe, the PRC is not a force for "good" (morality) in human affairs. However, I do think that this will change and that, in another generation, the influence of "godless" Maoism will have given way to a return to traditional Chinese Confucian values.

Is the US a force for good in human affairs?

All about the money baby!

No pay, no spray: Firefighters let home burn - US news - Life - msnbc.com
 
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Pakistan likes us precisely because we do not interfere in their internal affairs.

The power to improve someone belongs to that person and that person alone.

The Jihadi attacks against India have mostly been from Indian Muslims groups anyway, like IM and SIMI. India keeps claiming otherwise of course, but even they don't believe it, otherwise they would have done something.

Yeah, Yeah, you Chini sitting in Hongkong knows it all..
 
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Is the US a force for good in human affairs?

Of course! It is even a force for good in Chinese affairs!! Look at all of the good that has happened to China in the past 100 years that stems from the co-operation and support of the USA. You don't speak Japanese, for one. You are a permanent member of the UN Security Council, for two. You emerged from the shadow of the Soviet Union, for three. And, you are a prosperous member of the WTO (for four) with huge profits earned in the USA market, for five.
 
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Of course! It is even a force for good in Chinese affairs!! Look at all of the good that has happened to China in the past 100 years that stems from the co-operation and support of the USA. You don't speak Japanese, for one. You are a permanent member of the UN Security Council, for two. You emerged from the shadow of the Soviet Union, for three. And, you are a prosperous member of the WTO (for four) with huge profits earned in the USA market, for five.

None of that's charity. There's alot of things the US has to thank China for as well, such as supporting the junk bond of an insolvent nation, otherwise more family's homes will burn down and the firefighters will ask for pay first, fight fire later.
 
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Of course! It is even a force for good in Chinese affairs!! Look at all of the good that has happened to China in the past 100 years that stems from the co-operation and support of the USA. You don't speak Japanese, for one. You are a permanent member of the UN Security Council, for two. You emerged from the shadow of the Soviet Union, for three. And, you are a prosperous member of the WTO (for four) with huge profits earned in the USA market, for five.

Very nice points.. All the good to China actually happened because of America's help/generosity..

1. With out American help, was there any possibility of them standing against Japanese.. I don't think so because Japanese were more stronger then Mongols at that time..
2. America made China a permanent member of UN security council.. Was it possible for them to go on their own??. Nopes..
3. Due to America, they did not become wholly communist and became member of WTO.. It was not possible for them to achieve it on their own..
4. America built their infrastructure and opened their markets to them..

Who else can do so much for China? Still Chinese don't appreciate it.. Shame on them!!

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None of that's charity. There's alot of things the US has to thank China for as well, such as supporting the junk bond of an insolvent nation, otherwise more family's homes will burn down and the firefighters will ask for pay first, fight fire later.

You think you would have been in position to buy American bonds if America had not built your nation.. That's a crude joke..

And you invest in American bonds not out of charity it is an investment and you know you will not loose money..
 
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Very nice points.. All the good to China actually happened because of America's help/generosity..

1. With out American help, was there any possibility of their standing against Japanese.. I don't think so..
2. America made China a permanent member of UN security council.. Was it possible for them to go on their own. Nopes..
3. Due to America, They did not become wholly communist and became member of WTO.. It was not possible for them to achieve it on their own..
4. America built their infrastructure and opened their markets to them..

Who else can do so much for China? Still Chinese don't appreciate it.. Shame on them!!

hmm...

Indian infrastructure built by British and Chinese.
Indian political system invented by Britain.
Indian railroads built by Britain.
Indian language invented by Britain.
Without Britain India would still be tiny kingdoms fighting against each other.
 
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Who else can do so much for China? Still Chinese don't appreciate it.. Shame on them!!

You clearly haven't seen any of my discussions with Gambit. :lol:

I basically thank the USA for sending hundreds of billions of dollars of their own money to us every year in trade and investment.

And I thank them for being the "world police", and spending trillions of their own dollars in order to maintain the global trade routes and resource regional stability which we need for our trade.

The question I ask is, why does America continue to do all this, even though their own people are losing their jobs? Why does the US Treasury continue to support our "predatory currency policies" by refusing to officially label us a currency manipulator?

US Treasury says China not manipulating currency | Reuters

The only thing I can think of... is that the top 1% of American leadership have got big investments in the Shanghai Stock Exchange. :P
 
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hmm...

Indian infrastructure built by British and Chinese.
Indian political system invented by Britain.
Indian railroads built by Britain.
Indian language invented by Britain.
Without Britain India would still be tiny kingdoms fighting against each other.

:lol: you are again going off-topic.. Don't be so butt-hurt
 
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