China Lost World War II

[Place Of Space]

Communism ENFORCES equality, which is absurd in the first place.

To date, there is only one successful Marxist/communist society -- the monastery.

In the monastery, which includes the nunnery, everyone is a volunteer. No one forces anyone to live a life of voluntary poverty and service. But outside the monastery, everyone wants to own more, eat more, drink more, and generally do more in order to make their lives easier. The results are competition and inequality. Marxists hate that and the result is the horror that was the communist experiment.

If communism was so great, then why did it failed ? I asked in the past: Why not the microwave oven came from the Soviet Union or China ?

Care to answer that question ?

Why did it failed? Because most nations accepted communism were poor or former colony nations, the foundation was not as strong as Western nations. America didn't launch the Vietnam war, would Vietnam be such terrible those years? Hey, if America attacked Italy or Finland for no reason, it would be a mess as well.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I admire the Vietnamese Spirit of Anti-Imperialism, Anti-Colonialism.

I admire that.

Our fore father made a big mistake while cutting off all tie and trade with the West and let our country lagged behind the Japan modernization, so we was invaded and oppressed by JP-Fance-US. But thats history , VN is back on the track with Japan is herlping us now specially when TPP negotiation finish.

Let history be the past, times to think about the future. VN learned deeply from the mistake we made in 19th century, we try to study harder from the West civilization to know more about them and to widen our vision. From now, we can predict exactly what will happen in about 10 years. We wont let our country to fall in the passive stance any more

I hope CN (and even JP) also learn deeply the mistakes you guys made in 19th century and in WW2 and try to avoid the same mistake in the future.

 

[Aepsilons]

Actually, the monarchy of England is head of the Anglican Church.

Christianity is a religion so unless you are willing to say that Marxism is a religion, you are in error with your argument.

He definitely made an error in judgment in comparing Christianity with Communism.

1. Christianity is the LARGEST religion in the world with over 2.2 billion adherents
2. Communism is dead, in fact the progenitor of Bolshevik Communist ideology, the Soviet Union, collapsed in 91'.
3. China (PRC) is not even communist anymore since it has dropped communist anti-capitalist theory through Deng's Open Door Policy. China, currently, is totally capitalistic, it even endorses FTA mechanisms with ASEAN , South Korea.
4. Christianity is over 2 millenia old and has endured the test of time, and will continue to endure. Whereas Communism is only a century and half old ideology and it has already practically perished.

 

[Place Of Space]

America, pound per pound, was the major force that BROKE the Great Imperial Japanese Empire.

It was only America that broke and EVISCERATED the Imperial Navy. It was AMERICA ALONE who ERADICATED the entire 14th Area Imperial Japanese Army (450,000 strong) during the Operation to retake Philippines. America's 8th and 6th Army TOTALLY ANNIHILATED the 14th Area Army. This had never happened before, considering the 14th Area Army was one of the most well trained.

No other "Allied Power" gave a bloody lip to Japan but America. Period.

I don't think we have to argue this fact. This reality.

In FACT,

This is why America is the GREATEST MILITARY POWER, GREATEST POWER in this earth.

You forgot how T34 tanks rolled over the Great Imperial Japanese Empire tanks in North East China.

 

[grand]

Even without United states, China would defeat Japan, just much longer time. Mao was different from any Chinese leaders in KMT or Qing emperors. He turned the war into People's War and regained the long term missing mobility in Chinese civilization. In Sino-Japan wars, China could mobilize tens of thousands of troops even with a population of hundreds of millions. But Mao found the long lost mobilization of Chinese civilization due to long term unification. In Warring Kingdoms period, in Qin, Han, Tang dynasty, China could mobilize most of population into warriors. Mao did it. Even before pacific wars started, Japanese Army was losing ground in Northern China. Japan couldn't make any more progress in China which prompted Japan leaders to make a Gamble in South-East Asia.

Mao could mobilize the people, which made CCP to annihilate KMT's 8 millions army with US support just by 3 years and stopped MacArthur's UN army. Mao unified a China bigger than Europe within just three years, Napoleons and Hitler couldn't do this. As long as Mao's portrait in TiananMen, If there is next Sino-Japan war, you should expect hundreds of millions Chinese army, not just several millions on the paper.

KMT was even worse than Qing emperors, even though they were official governments. They had never truly unified China, and behaved like chicken before Japanese. More than 50% of KMT army surrendered to Japan.

Anyone do not understand Maoism will never understand PRC. If one day a stupid leader similar to Gobachev takes Mao's portrait off, PRC can collapse within several years. No matter how Western media painted Mao, he is the leader of Chinese People, he is the one truly understand Chinese civilization. His status in China will be much more important than Confucius. When most leaders suffered in Cultural Revolution passed away, Mao's status in China will get higher and higher..

pla gained control of china in mere four years, against kmt forces with superior weapons provided by the u.s.

japan had 13 years with huge technological advantages but couldnt do it.

 

[Aepsilons]

You forgot how T34 tanks rolled over the Great Imperial Japanese Empire tanks in North East China.

Yea, what 2 days after we surrendered? lol.

#neutralitypactviolation #killingadeadplayer #yeawhathappenedbeforethesurrender #slyreactivity

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

America, pound per pound, was the major force that BROKE the Great Imperial Japanese Empire.

It was only America that broke and EVISCERATED the Imperial Navy. It was AMERICA ALONE who ERADICATED the entire 14th Area Imperial Japanese Army (450,000 strong) during the Operation to retake Philippines. America's 8th and 6th Army TOTALLY ANNIHILATED the 14th Area Army. This had never happened before, considering the 14th Area Army was one of the most well trained.

No other "Allied Power" gave a bloody lip to Japan but America. Period.

I don't think we have to argue this fact. This reality.

In FACT,

This is why America is the GREATEST MILITARY POWER, GREATEST POWER in this earth.

"国虽大，好战必亡"
Every one has its most glorious time and lamest time, what you said just the part of US. Making the thing belonging to a moment equivalent to the thing belonging to forever is your Japanese paranoid preference not ours. Your super worship to US just showed the servility of your nation in deep mind. That is why our ancestors called your people "倭奴"

 

[Aepsilons]

Our fore father made a big mistake while cutting off all tie and trade with the West and let our country lagged behind the Japan modernization, so we was invaded and oppressed by JP-Fance-US. But thats history , VN is back on the track with Japan is herlping us now specially when TPP negotiation finish.

Let history be the past, times to think about the future. VN learned deeply from the mistake we made in 19th century, we try to study harder from the West civilization to know more about them and to widen our vision. From now, we can predict exactly what will happen in about 10 years. We wont let our country to fall in the passive stance any more

I hope CN (and even JP) also learn deeply the mistakes you guys made in 19th century and in WW2 and try to avoid the same mistake in the future.

That's why, I find it very transformational when I address and review the developments of the region in the past century and a half. Enduring the age of european imperialism, the age of japanese imperialism, the age of cold war, the age of regional tension to regional integration through ASEAN (and the defunct SEATO). Its always impressive, truly, to see how diplomacy is never static, but rather is continuous and ever-evolving !

Let us all learn from the past mistakes , and build a great future together, my Vietnam Bro.

To The Glory of Viet Nam, Japan and the Rest of ASIA!

 

[Viva_Viet]

2. Communism is dead, in fact the progenitor of Bolshevik Communist ideology, the Soviet Union, collapsed in 91'.
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Nope. Communist CN-VN-Cuba are still alive and at least VN still using communist ideal, its really usefull to widen our vision and help us predict correctly what will happen in about 10 years

CN may use wrong Communist ideal, thats why its pple's vision still so short (they could not predict the fall of CNY like VNese)

 

[Place Of Space]

Yea, what 2 days after we surrendered? lol.

#neutralitypactviolation #killingadeadplayer #yeawhathappenedbeforethesurrender #slyreactivity

Japanese surrendered to America on 15th, Aug; surrendered to China on date of 3rd, Sep.

Japanese felt disappointed, they still wanted to resist.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Even without United states, China would defeat Japan, just much longer time.

I don't think so. They would simply ramp up production of bombers and firebomb all your industries/cities. You'd be in big trouble.

 

[Aepsilons]

Every one has its most glorious time and lamest time, what you said just the part of US. Making the thing belonging to a moment equivalent to the thing belonging to forever is your Japanese paranoid preference not ours. Your super worship to US just showed the servility of your nation in deep mind. That is why our ancestors called your people "倭奴"

For one, I am not 'worshiping' the United States, rather, am using objectivity and rationality in accepting some historical, statistical, technical truths , which bears to mind the capabilities and the strengths of the United States. There is no nation that has had such shear GLOBAL impact on the policies and procedures of many a nation, many a region than the United States.

Politically, economically, culturally, diplomatically, academically, developmentally, socially. America is on a League of Her own. No one comes close, BAR NONE.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

Nope. Communist CN-VN-Cuba are still alive and at least VN still using communist ideal, its really usefull to widen our vision and help us predict correctly what will happen in about 10 years

CN may use wrong Communist ideal, thats why its pple's vision still so short (they could not predict the fall of CNY like VNese)

The chess always want to become chess player, get out Vietcong, dont seek insult to you here.

 

[Genesis]

Because , TRUST ME, had it not been for America, Japan would have invaded China will FULL POWER. Not 1/4th Power.

Where did this view come from?

Out of 51 divisions 35 were in China, out of 39 independent brigades, all but one were in China by the time of Pearl harbor.

Unless you are suggesting, a country can ever use every men and women in their country to attack, then yea Japan was at full strength, at least from 1937.

The battle of Shanghai didn't bring the Americans in, so until 1942, Japan was at full power, and your plan to take China in three month was as good as Hitler's promise of taking the Soviets in half a year.

1/4th? What kind of stats were those. Japan was at full force, due to the terrain and millions upon millions of Chinese soldiers that blocked Japanese advance, Japan was stopped, just short of Chong Qing.

As to American representation, the flying tigers was present in the event, American role in the war is well publicized, there were many documentations on American's role in the war.

America is also well represented in many of the well written WW2 dramas, not sure about the brain dead ones.

 

[Aepsilons]

Nope. Communist CN-VN-Cuba are still alive and at least VN still using communist ideal, its really usefull to widen our vision and help us predict correctly what will happen in about 10 years

CN may use wrong Communist ideal, thats why its pple's vision still so short (they could not predict the fall of CNY like VNese)

Vietnam Bro,

I think the culture of Communism and the collectivistic thinking that is seen in Vietnam is a social phenomena that is common in most East Asian societies. In fact i think thats why Socialist thought has taken such a liking by many a East Asian societies (China, Korea, Vietnam, and even parts of Japan), since East Asia , by her nature, is a collectivistic-minded society. I think we have to consider the impact of Confucianism.

Lastly, Vietnam may hold and value the impact of Communist spirit, as she should, but we have to also consider the role and impact of open market trade in Vietnam. Capitalism is quite alive and strong in Viet Nam. And it is only through Open Market that Vietnam and the Vietnamese people shall REALIZE their true potential to become the next Japan, the next South Korea.

No doubt i see a great future for your people and your proud nation.

Use whatever form of government that will be suit and serve the best interest of Viet Nam.




Regards,