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China Lost 14 Million People in World War II. Why Is This Forgotten?

You think Latin Alphabet meant to be a tool. :wacko:



You use Pinyin to learn your own mothertongue, sorry, you should yourself decide what is trash here, I don't use imported script to learn my own mother tongue. :wacko:

Then, what is it? Can you see any Latin Alphabet in our newspaper, public signs, any informal and formal written format? Then it is a tool.
 
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Congrats on your 10000th post :yay:
Latin Script is not meant to be tool, pinyin is itself complete as a writing system and you don't need Chinese symbols along with it. When I studied my mothertongue, I first studied the Devanagari alphabets, then simple sentences without using Matra(vowel strokes) and then came to learn framing sentences with Matra, no need of imported key to learn Hindi.
 
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Bull. We were able to meet the Russians in the middle of Germany...while simultaneously fighting the Japanese....across two wide oceans. You guys barely hung on to your own country.
in 1945, not in 1941.
Western Front comparing to Eastern - tourist campus. Germans were specifically requested on the Western Front to surrender. Hitler always considered the Anglo-Saxon Germanic people, so it were no real war wiht you . This has been proven in 1940 when Hitler graciously let go home from Dunkirk British army.
Do you think the Americans would have won at Stalingrad? I'm sure not.
For us, the main result of the war - the blood of grandfothers. And for you - that you get rich on trade and loans and the dollar moved up to replace the pound sterling.
 
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in 1945, not in 1941.
Western Front comparing to Eastern - tourist campus. Germans were specifically requested on the Western Front to surrender. Hitler always considered the Anglo-Saxon Germanic people, so it were no real war wiht you . This has been proven in 1940 when Hitler graciously let go home from Dunkirk British army.
Do you think the Americans would have won at Stalingrad? I'm sure not.
For us, the main result of the war - the blood of grandfothers. And for you - that you get rich on trade and loans and the dollar moved up to replace the pound sterling.

The victory at Stalingrad was a purely Russian achievement. Uniquely Russian as well.
The ruthless and merciless expenditure of manpower of the 62nd and the 63rd Armiya, the Sthrafbattalions, the NKVD cruelty and the exceptionally savage and uncaring fighting were all very very Russian. No other country could have suffered such tremendous losses(27 million!) and still survived, let alone won. Stalin's devilish grip and more-than-Hitler cruelty was instrumental in clinching victory. American contribution was significant in the War against Japan. Against Germany the American constribution - by and large was the achievement of total Air sup and protection of Naval convoys and hunting wolf packs down. Which means - they were instrumental but did not involve much bloodshed.
 
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The victory at Stalingrad was a purely Russian achievement. Uniquely Russian as well.
The ruthless and merciless expenditure of manpower of the 62nd and the 63rd Armiya, the Sthrafbattalions, the NKVD cruelty and the exceptionally savage and uncaring fighting were all very very Russian. No other country could have suffered such tremendous losses(27 million!) and still survived, let alone won. Stalin's devilish grip and more-than-Hitler cruelty was instrumental in clinching victory. American contribution was significant in the War against Japan. Against Germany the American constribution - by and large was the achievement of total Air sup and protection of Naval convoys and hunting wolf packs down. Which means - they were instrumental but did not involve much bloodshed.

the shtrafbattalions and the NKVD - the characters more of the Nazi and later - American propaganda than of real history.
The Soviet people fought for their country and died for it without question. You did not have anyone to drive them into battle. In general - Russian soldiers is a unique phenomenon. Bismarck said that Russian soldier is not enough to kill, you should still knock out him.
 
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in 1945, not in 1941.
Western Front comparing to Eastern - tourist campus. Germans were specifically requested on the Western Front to surrender. Hitler always considered the Anglo-Saxon Germanic people, so it were no real war wiht you . This has been proven in 1940 when Hitler graciously let go home from Dunkirk British army.
Do you think the Americans would have won at Stalingrad? I'm sure not.
For us, the main result of the war - the blood of grandfothers. And for you - that you get rich on trade and loans and the dollar moved up to replace the pound sterling.
You are right on the racial aspect. Still a tough fight.
 
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the shtrafbattalions and the NKVD - the characters more of the Nazi and later - American propaganda than of real history.
The Soviet people fought for their country and died for it without question. You did not have anyone to drive them into battle. In general - Russian soldiers is a unique phenomenon. Bismarck said that Russian soldier is not enough to kill, you should still knock out him.
Nope - they were very uniquely Russnische :D But neo-Communists won't accept that. :devil:
 
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Nope - they were very uniquely Russnische :D But neo-Communists won't accept that. :devil:
Look, in the Stalingrad was not such a war, as in other places - trenches and fortified positions, headquarters and so on. There were separate groups fought with the enemies separate groups. They fought without food, without bullets, without electricity, water, and without communication with commands. If such an angry and bloodthirsty NKVDist what you saw in American films would come to commander of a group and began to force people to go on the attack immediately, threatening with the weapon - he would simply be killed on the spot and nobody would ever knew it
The story about the terrible and evil NKVDist's used Gebbels widely as propaganda. After the war, the lie was picked up by the Americans.
Wel,l think - How would you bayonet into soldiers on tanks and airplanes to attack? How would you force people with arms to fight for something? They would just kill you. This is not a movie. The Soviet people fought for their Mortherland and for their families - they did not need anyone to tell how important it is to destroy the invaders.
 
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Look, in the Stalingrad was not such a war, as in other places - trenches and fortified positions, headquarters and so on. There were separate groups fought with the enemies separate groups. They fought without food, without bullets, without electricity, water, and without communication with commands. If such an angry and bloodthirsty NKVDist what you saw in American films would come to commander of a group and began to force people to go on the attack immediately, threatening with the weapon - he would simply be killed on the spot and nobody would ever knew it
The story about the terrible and evil NKVDist's used Gebbels widely as propaganda. After the war, the lie was picked up by the Americans.
Well thought - How would you bayonet into soldiers on tanks and airplanes to attack? How would you force people with arms to fight for something? They would just kill you. This is not a movie. The Soviet people fought for their country and for their families - they did not need anyone to tell how important it is to destroy the invaders.

I have not seen any American film that showed NKVD folks or none that I remember now. Besides I know what films are. My sources are Russian - Memoirs of Georgy Zhukov and Koniev. Also read some papers of Chuikov(Commander of 62nd Armiya), German - Guderian(Blitzkreig) and Manstein(Lost Victories). After the Order 227 (Not a step back) was issue - these draconian measures were taken.
 
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I have not seen any American film that showed NKVD folks or none that I remember now. Besides I know what films are. My sources are Russian - Memoirs of Georgy Zhukov and Koniev. Also read some papers of Chuikov(Commander of 62nd Armiya), German - Guderian(Blitzkreig) and Manstein(Lost Victories). After the Order 227 (Not a step back) was issue - these draconian measures were taken.
The orders to not step back and to attack were from the start of War. If you do not have the strength to carry them out - they are worthless. Hitler also ordered in 1945 to drop the Red Army and win the War.
I'm not saying that there was no case of violence - in the war, they always happen. But Russian troops triumphed not because at their back was a terrible evil NKVDist with a gun, but because they were defending their Motherland. I do not know are you able to understand this, but in Russia with Motherland are very special relationship. That's why we call our land Mother Russia.
I would add that many memoirs have been changed after the death of Stalin. Khrushchev hated and feared so much Stalin that slandered literally everything that Stalin did.
 
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The orders to not step back and to attack were from the start of War. If you do not have the strength to carry them out - they are worthless. Hitler also ordered in 1945 to drop the Red Army and win the War.
I'm not saying that there was no case of violence - in the war, they always happen. But Russian troops triumphed not because at their back was a terrible evil NKVDist with a gun, but because they were defending their Motherland. I do not know are you able to understand this, but in Russia with Motherland are very special relationship. That's why we call our land Mother Russia.
I am not denying they were patriotic.
They fought for their motherland. They also fought because of the NKVD fear. They fought for both. Mostly their patriotism - true. But for critical situations the fear of summary executions prevention breakdown of morale in many many occasions.
 
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But for critical situations the fear of summary executions prevention breakdown of morale in many many occasions.

As in every army in every war at all times.
Read this book - "War without Garlands". Robert Kershaw.
 
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India didn't need USA to gain independence. And british were no-where in hard power authority in India, compared to what Japan could do to chinese.

Large parts of India continued to be rules by Indian princley states. Those areas which were under british colonial rule had Indian police, Indian army .. .and even Indian Civil Service officers !!!

The worst thing the british got to do in India was Jallianwala bagh (where some 400 people died... while they were participating in a freedom rally, protesting the british). Their deaths were martyrdom, since they showed bravery, even while being unarmed.

Now compare "Rape of Nanking" to "Jalianwala bagh incident" ... and you will see how much India was really under british control, and how much Japs were in control.

As for "bravery" ... everybody knows, Nanking rape could happen only because Chiang Kai shek left the helpless chinese at the mercy of japs, while running away with his army.

What is Moa zedong most famous for? -- He ran away on a Long March... bloody coward. And the current chinese pray him like a God. A clear case of slavery been injected thoroughly in chinese blood.. first by mongols, then by Japs and then by CPC.

Its not blood which now flows in chinese veins and arteries .. its pure cowardice. And it shows.

And it continued to show in 1962, when they ran back.. continued to show in Vietnam, when they ran back.

Moa zedong's tradition of "Long March" and cowardice continues to the present day. Bravery isn't talking.. your actions show it. And Moa zedong showed his cowardice by his actions, again and again.

Slaves, keep worshipping a coward .. because cowardice flows in your veins.
So you still believe the British were good masters :lol:

Of course they are..... they saved you from the Central Asian conquerors who enslaved you for 800 years!




MAHMUD OF GHAZNI (Ghazni is in current Afghanistan)

In year 1000 Mahood Gaznavi passed through India like a whirlwind, destroying, pillaging, and massacring,zealously following the quranic injunctions to kill idolators, whom he had vowed to chastise every year of his life.

His personal historian Alberuni Yamini writes "Mahmud utterly ruined the prosperity of the country and performed there wonderful exploits, by which hindus became like atoms of the dust." He described the attack on the following cities as follows:

• At Thaneshwar. "The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously at Thanesar that the stream was discolored, not withstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it. The Sultan returned with plunder which is impossible to count. Praise be to Allah for the honor he bestows on Islam and Muslims."

• At Somnath

"The Muslims paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels and worshipers of sun and fire.... The number of infidels killed exceeded 50,000"

• At Mathura

"The infidels...deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river...but many of them were slain, taken or drowned... Nearly fifty thousand men were killed."

At Varnasi, Ujjan, Maheshwar,Jwalamukihi, and Dwarka

"Infidels were slaughtered and not one temple survived whole and in tact"

MOHAMMED GHOURI AND QUTUBUDDIN AIBAK (from Hasan Nizami's Taj-ul-Maasir)

• Kol (Modern Aligarh) "those of the horizon who were wise and acute were converted to Islam, but those who stood by their ancestoral faith were slain with the sword" • Kol (Modern Aligarh)

20,000 prisoners were taken and made slaves

'Three bastions were raised as high as heaven with their heads and their carcases became food for the beasts of prey • Kalinjar 50,000 prisoners were taken as slaves • Varnasi or Kasi (Benaras) :Kamil-ut-Tawarikh of Ibn Asir records, "The slaughter of Hindus (at Varanasi) was immense; none were spared except women and children,(who were taken into slavery) and the carnage of men went on until the earth was weary." BAKHTIAR KHILJI • Destroyed Nalanda • Massacred Buddhist monks FEROZE SHAH TUGHLAQ (from Insha-i-Mahry by Ahmed Din Abdullah bin Mahru)

• Delhi : (after Hindus paid the toleration tax (zar-i zimmiya) and poll-tax(jizya) they were foolish enough to build their temples.So...) "...Under divine guidance I (Sultan) destroyed these temples and I killed the leaders of these infedility and others I subjected to stripes and chastisement " • Delhi: -a punishment in detail-(From Tarikh-i-Firuz Shahi)

"A report was brought to the Sultan than there was in Delhi an old Brahman who persisted in publicly performing the worship of idols in his house and that people of the city, both Muslims and Hindus used to resort to his house to worship the idol. The Brahman had constructed a wooden tablet which was covered within and without with paintings of demons and other objects. An order was accordingly given to the Brahman and was brought before Sultan.The true faith was declared to the Brahman and the right course pointed out. but he refused to accept it.

A pile was risen on which the Kaffir with his hands and legs tied was thrown into and the wooden tablet on the top. The pile was lit at two places his head and his feet. The fire first reached him in the feet and drew from him a cry and then fire completley enveloped him. Behold Sultan for his strict adherence to law and rectitude."

• Gohana (Haryana):

"Some Hindus had erected a new idol-temple in the village of Kohana and the idolaters used to assemble there and perform their idolatrous rites. These people were seized and brought before me.

I ordered that the perverse conduct of these leaders of this wickedness be punished by publicly abd that they should be put to death before the gate of the palace." JajnagarExpedition objectives as stated by Sultan) (Source:Ainn-ul-Mulk) o massacring the unbelievers

on demolishing their temples

• Orissa:'Sirat-i-Firoz Shahi' records his expedition with the following words:

"nearly 100,000 men of Jajnagar had taken refuge with their women, children, kinsmen and relations The swordsmen of Islam turned the island into a basin of blood by the massacre of the unbelievers.

Women with babies and pregnant ladies were haltered, manacled, fettered and enchained, and pressed as slaves into service in the house of every soldier."

SULTANS OF MAMLUK DYNASTY • Rohilkhand:Badauni reports in his 'Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh'

"In two days after leaving Delhi, he arrived in the midst of the territory of Katihar and put to death every male, even those of eight years of age, and bound the women"

ALAUDDIN KHILJI

• Kambayat:Abdulla Wassaf writes in his Tazjiyat-ul-Amsar wa Tajriyat

he killed the adult male Hindu inhabitants for the glory of Islam, set flowing rivers of blood, sent the women of the country with all their gold, silver, and jewels, to his own home, and made about twenty thousand maidens his private sex-slaves as the great God in quran has prermitted the reward of enemy woman for the victorious jihadis.

Chitoor: More than 20,000 Hindu women including Rani Padmini self-immolated themselves to escape sex-slavery in the hands of Muslim rulers.

• Muslim priests Qazi adviced Khilji on how to conduct his non-Muslim subjects. Here is such a recorded advice: Hindus are like the mud; if silver is demanded from them, they must with the greatest humility offer gold. If a Mohammadan desire to spit into a Hindu's mouth, the Hindu should open it wide for the purpose. God created the Hindus to be slaves of the Mohammadans. The Prophet hath ordained that, if the Hindus do not accept Islam, they should be imprisoned, tortured, finally put to death, and their property confiscated.

TAIMUR LANE • His invasion of Hindustan: His Tuzk-i-Taimuri records: "In a short space of time all the people in the fort were put to the sword, and in the course of one hour the heads of 10,000 infidels were cut off. The sword of Islam was washed in the blood of the infidels, and all the goods and effects, the treasure and the grain which for many a long year had been stored in the fort became the spoil of my soldiers. They set fire to the houses and reduced them to ashes, and they razed the buildings and the fort to the ground.... All these infidel Hindus were slain, their women and children ,and their property and goods became the spoil of the victors "

..".I proclaimed throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners should put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death.

One hundred thousand infidels, impious idolators, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasiruddin Umar, a counselor and man of learning, who, in all his life, had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives." Fatte of Hindu women captured alive by Muslims was worse than death. Even as their fathers, husbands and children lay killed they had to dance and sing before Muslims and would then be given in slavery to the Muslim kings, generals, soldiers and of course Maulvis. Here is a gleeful Muslim recording of this inhuman barbaric events:

"First of all daughters of Hindu kings captured during the course of the year come and sing and dance. Thereafter they are bestowed upon Amirs and important foreigners. After this daughters of other Hindus dance and sing...Sultan then distributes s them to brothers, sons of high officials ,generals and his relatives." [Source:Ibn Battuta (A.A.Rizvi in Tughlaq Kalin Bharath)]

So Hindu women preferred death to dishonour. Most of the time the Muslim invaders found only charred remains of women when they entered the Hindu cities. For example, when Allaud-din Khilji attacked Rajputs from behind (before which Rajouts had >magnanimoulsy spared his life showing mercy to the undeserved), butchered them and entered Chitoor Rani Padmini and more than 20,000 maidens had self-immolated. To this day Hindus remember the great queen with pride.

Massacre of Hindus in the South India

SULTAN AHMAD SHAH WALI Muslims pillaged Vijayanagar for six months and killed every Hindu man , woman and children including pregnanat women. Vijaya Nagar recorded by European travellers as the most beautiful city in the world is today a haunted, destroyed deserted ground unfit to live. To this day the ruins show the amount of barbarism that went into its destruction and even the ruins are testimony to the Hindu genius of architecture.

Whenever the number of slain reached 20,000 he (Sultan Ahemed Shah I Wali) halted for three days and celebrated the killings of infidels (in such a large numbers).

o Chidambaram

Malik dug up the foundations with the greatest care and the heads of Brahmins and idolaters danced from their necks and fell to the ground and their feet and blood flowed in ********.

o Sri Rangam

Finding no valuable information at the Sri Rangam temple (about the hidden bronze statutes) ill tempered Ulugh Khan killed 12,000 Brahmins in a day.

HINDU MASSACRES BY MOGHUL EMPERORS

ZAHIRUDDIN BABAR (1526-1530) Source: Babur Nama( written byMoghul Emperor Babar himself) Place:Chanderi (Madhya Pradesh) In AH 934 (CE 1528) I attacked Chanderi and by the grace of Allah captured it in a few hours...We got the infidels slaughtered and the place which had been daru'l - harb for years was made into a daru'l-islam. Since the establishment of Moghul rule ...officers and religious leaders spread Islam vigorously destroying Hindu faith. We cleared of the ***** of Hinduism from Faizabad and Avadh.

AKBAR (1542-1605) Is remembered as the most tolerant. Only one major massacre is recorded in his rule, when he ordered that about 30000 captured Rajput Hindus be slain on Feb 24, 1568 after the battle of Cittid.

JAHANGIR (1605-1658)

Source: Tuzuk-i-Jahangiri Though in the beginning of his rule Jahangir followed the humanistic rule of his father Akbar the great -the policy of sulehkul even issued a proclamation against the forcible conversion of Hindus to Islam, he revoked Akbar's orders that those who have been forcibly converted from Islam could return to Hinduism.

He severely punished Kaukab, Sharif and Abdul Latif for showing inclination to Hinduism. He also prohibited the free inter-marriage customs between Hindus and Muslims in Kashmir. Hindus marrying Muslim girls and those who had already married were given a choice between Islam and death. Many were killed.

Jahangir's torture of Guru Arjun Dev ji: Guru was imprisoned at Lahore fort. He was chained to a post in an open place exposed to the sun from morning to evening in the summer months of May to June. Below his feet a heap of sand was put which burnt like a furnace. Boiling water was poured on his naked body at intervals. His body was covered with blisters all over. In this agony Guru used to utter.

Tera Kiya Metha lage, naam padarath Nanak mange(whatever you ordain appears sweet. I supplicate for the gift of name)

The Guru was ordercd to be executed. In addition a fine of Rupees two lakhs was imposed on him. Some historians say that, as a measure of clemency at the intervention of Mian Mir, this fine was imposed in lieu of the sentence of death. The Sikhs offered to pay the fine themselves but the Guru forbade them to do so. He replied to the Emperor,

"Whatever money I have is for the poor, the friendless and the stranger. If thou ask for money thou mayest take what I have; but if thou ask for it by way of fine, I shall not give thee even a Kaurz (penny)." The Guru accepted death by torture

SHAH JAHAN (1658-1707)

In 1632 Shah jahan ordered that all Hindu temples recently erected or in the course of construction should be razed to the ground. In Benares alone seventy six temples were destroyed. Christian churches at Agra and Lahore were demolished. In a manner befitting the Prophet he had ten thousand inhabitants executed by being "blown up with powder, drowned in water or burnt by fire".

Four thousand were taken captive to Agra where they were tortured to try to convert them to Islam. Only a few apostacised, the remainder were trampled to death by elephants, except for the younger women who went to harems. Shahjahan put enormous eonomic pressure on Hindus particularly peasents to become Muslims. The criminals too were forced to become Muslims.

Source: Badshah Nama, Qazinivi & Badshah Nama , Lahori When Shuja was appointed as governor of Kabul he carried on a ruthless war in the Hindu territory beyond Indus...The sword of Islam yielded a rich crop of converts....Most of the women (to save their honour) burnt themselves to death. Those captured were distributed among Muslim Mansabdars.

Source: Manucci, Storia do Mogor vol-II p.451 & Travels of Frey Sebastian Manrique Under Shahjahan peasents were compelled to sell their women and children to meet their revenue requirements....

The peasants were carried off to various Markets and fairs to be sold with their poor unhappy wives carrying their small children crying and lamenting. According to Qaznivi Shahjagan had decreed they should be sold to Muslim lords.
 
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LOL, pls don't delude yourself, Chinese character can only be written the Chinese way. Hindi is persianized and You lingua franca is English :omghaha: :omghaha:
Before the 20th century, the official language of India was Persian. This is because Northern India was conquered by Central Asian rulers for so long they lost their original language. Hindi is just a bastardized form of Urdu. Urdu was the court language of the 800 year Islamic rule era derived from Persian.

For 800 years India was a convenient source of slaves for the whole Middle East. It was like a farm raising pigs. India was renowned around the world for breeding slaves -- male and female. Great monuments in the Middle East and also Taj Mahal was built by exploiting Indian slaves.
 
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