China is rushing to put railguns on warships, but the superguns are likely worthless in a war

[Nan Yang]

Hi,

Every weapons system has to have a function---utility---purpose---target etc etc etc---.

I do not doubt the ability and capability of China to build a successful & operational railgun unit---.

But where does it fit in china's image---. The US is known to attack any which country that displeases it---it sends its naval flotilla and starts launching missiles---which country would the chinese use the railgun against---.

Tactically---I don't see china using the railgun---its anti ship missiles would be launched from farther away---so if you could share a scenario---that would be interesting to read---.

China's strategy is area denial and anti access and to complicate US intervention in case of a war over the Taiwan theater. That we all know. How the rail gun fit into this strategy is anyone guess. But if you have been following Chinese strategic weapons development, they often target US Achilles heel.

 

[Viet]

China's strategy is area denial and anti access and to complicate US intervention in case of a war over the Taiwan theater. That we all know. How the rail gun fit into this strategy is anyone guess. But if you have been following Chinese strategic weapons development, they often target US Achilles heel.

The principle of railgun exists since 50 years. The US has worked on railgun since decades. I think Russia does the same. China just starts recently, but it appears many Chinese believe once they have railgun they will conquer the world ocean. That reminds me of Adolf Hitler with his beliefs of wonder weapons.

Well if you believe, China railgun will crush the US navy and conquer Taiwan, well, good luck!

 

[Beast]

The principle of railgun exists since 50 years. The US has worked on railgun since decades. I think Russia does the same. China just starts recently, but it appears many Chinese believe once they have railgun they will conquer the world ocean. That reminds me of Adolf Hitler with his beliefs of wonder weapons.

Well if you believe, China railgun will crush the US navy and conquer Taiwan, well, good luck!

May i know which Chinese say that? Looks like vietnamese loves to put words into other peoples mouth. No Chinese say this kind of nonsense. Is that what vietnamese education teaches u?

 

[Viet]

May i know which Chinese say that? Looks like vietnamese loves to put words into other peoples mouth. No Chinese say this kind of nonsense. Is that what vietnamese education teaches u?

I don’t put words in any mouth. Have I mentioned your name? No. Not sure if China will start WW III when some PLA railgun landing ships become available.

 

[lcloo]

Hi,

Actually this "Railgun" thingy has put nations following the tail lights of a truck.

Its utility is not as substantial as compared to missiles---. I would rather have the capacity to launch 30 missiles thru a VLS than a railgun---.

The author is correct in his assessment---.

The rail gun is not going to replace the missiles in the universal vls on PLAN ships. It is the 130mm main deck gun that will be superceded. And the function of the rail gun is to be similar to 130mm gun but with longer range and faster velocity.

 

[yantong1980]

It didn't say anything about how it was build to use railgun.

Using railgun is not something you can just put some power pack and you can use it. Your "Article" only say how powertrain and electric propulsion is going to improve in the future, BOTH WERE NOT used to power railgun. Fact is, coming from the Chinese scientist, 055 at this stage at most have 40 MW power, which is simply not enough to power any railgun. You don't design the railgun base on your ship, you design your ship to house your railgun. Because the ship is bigger than the railgun.

Plus, China have NOT YET SHOWN ANY DETAIL on any 055 and railgun being operational, and you accuse me of jealous of Chinese technology? What technology? I only see a report, and should I be Jealous on a report?

And yes, you are doing what Indian do, because you are taking credit for something still have no exist, or proven existed, the only thing we have here, is not a photo, is not a brief from some top brass, but your word. So excuse me, if I don't believe you. And you ARE bragging on something you do not have at the moment, I don't really care how "Advance" you think PLAN are, what USN encountered during their railgun development in the 2000s still applies to PLAN, I never doubt China is developing a railgun but the FACTS ARE THESE.

1.) THERE ARE NO 055 BEING OPERATIONAL
2.) THERE ARE NO CHINESE RAILGUN BEING OPERATIONAL
3.) THERE ARE NO INDICATION CHINA HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM US ENCOUNTERED 10 YEARS AGO

So yes, unless you can definitely prove Chinese Railgun exist and is not just a design, you are bragging something you don't have, that's the same you accuse of what the Indian is doing.

Strange you want me to argue with you with facts, yet you cannot provide any and you just use your words.

Sorry, the THING you said FACT nothing than your big EGO genious? So where the your fancy ZUMWALT you bragging about? Have she shot something yet? Oww, sorry if China doesn't play with your sourgrape wish J ? If the Chinese doesn't ANYONE know, so what you and everybody else will do, huh? Apparently they testing something, so what? You demand FACT from Chinese here and whining about nationalistic sentiment here? WHO are you? 6yrs old grader? what about your own attitude? NOBODY know for sure, and yet you feel 'sourgrape' Mr ? Want to know your FACT huh? Well, why didn't you go to China by yourself and work your sweat there for your fun FACT? They testing it, it not operational yet, if this doesn't 'work' with your ego logic realm that your problem, what you whining about?

I don’t put words in any mouth. Have I mentioned your name? No. Not sure if China will start WW III when some PLA railgun landing ships become available.

Go to war with new gun on LST? Well Missy, your 'imagination' beyond all of us here, I heard Hollywood need help from person like you, go now.

 

[jhungary]

Sorry, the THING you said FACT nothing than your big EGO genious? So where the your fancy ZUMWALT you bragging about? Have she shot something yet? Oww, sorry if China doesn't play with your sourgrape wish J ? If the Chinese doesn't ANYONE know, so what you and everybody else will do, huh? Apparently they testing something, so what? You demand FACT from Chinese here and whining about nationalistic sentiment here? WHO are you? 6yrs old grader? what about your own attitude? NOBODY know for sure, and yet you feel 'sourgrape' Mr ? Want to know your FACT huh? Well, why didn't you go to China by yourself and work your sweat there for your fun FACT? They testing it, it not operational yet, if this doesn't 'work' with your ego logic realm that your problem, what you whining about?

Zumwalt already been operating since 2016, those are actual ship CURRENTLY IN SERVICE with United States Navy, and General Electric/BAe EMLRG has already been test fired and proven operational since 2008. Those are the facts, you can search online and get as much information you want.

Now show me 1 picture of a complete Type 055 operational photo, I want Operational Photo, not sea trial, not dry dock photo. And now show me any picture of any type of Railgun China are firing?

Fact is where you can have hard data to back up, you can claim whatever you want but without any hard data, it's just hearsay, and until any Chinese member can produce any solid evidence that such ship and railgun exist and working, it would mean any bragging is for work that not yet shown operational.

Me Whinning? About what, some report? I mean from the look of it, none of you even know what is the requirement on firing a railgun, and none of you know about the limitation to goes along with it, and yet you guys are doing this and that over something that no one in the world can even verify its existence. lol. At the end of the day, you cannot get jealous of something DOES NOT EXIST.

FACTS REMAINS
1.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE AN OPERATIONAL TYPE 055 DESTORYER
2.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE AN OPERATIONAL RAILGUN
3.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE ANY SOLUTION ON THE PROBLEM US NAVY ENCOUNTERED IN 2008

Unless you can show me ANY evidence to contradict otherwise, that remain a facts. You can argue about your fanboy friction and imagination amongst yourselves, I only care about what you can proof and not what you think.

 

[Nan Yang]

Zumwalt already been operating since 2016, those are actual ship CURRENTLY IN SERVICE with United States Navy, and General Electric/BAe EMLRG has already been test fired and proven operational since 2008. Those are the facts, you can search online and get as much information you want.

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Now show me 1 picture of a complete Type 055 operational photo, I want Operational Photo, not sea trial, not dry dock photo. And now show me any picture of any type of Railgun China are firing?

Fact is where you can have hard data to back up, you can claim whatever you want but without any hard data, it's just hearsay, and until any Chinese member can produce any solid evidence that such ship and railgun exist and working, it would mean any bragging is for work that not yet shown operational.

Me Whinning? About what, some report? I mean from the look of it, none of you even know what is the requirement on firing a railgun, and none of you know about the limitation to goes along with it, and yet you guys are doing this and that over something that no one in the world can even verify its existence. lol. At the end of the day, you cannot get jealous of something DOES NOT EXIST.

FACTS REMAINS
1.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE AN OPERATIONAL TYPE 055 DESTORYER
2.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE AN OPERATIONAL RAILGUN
3.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE ANY SOLUTION ON THE PROBLEM US NAVY ENCOUNTERED IN 2008

Unless you can show me ANY evidence to contradict otherwise, that remain a facts. You can argue about your fanboy friction and imagination amongst yourselves, I only care about what you can proof and not what you think.

Zummalt is a failure. Enough said.
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The ship is designed around its two Advanced Gun Systems, their turrets and magazines, and unique Long Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP) ammunition.[9]LRLAP procurement was cancelled, rendering the guns unusable,[9]

 

[jhungary]

Zummalt is a failure. Enough said.
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The ship is designed around its two Advanced Gun Systems, their turrets and magazines, and unique Long Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP) ammunition.[9]LRLAP procurement was cancelled, rendering the guns unusable,[9]

Do define how Zumwalt is a "failure"?

As said, the 155 gun in any navy ship is not really useful to begin with, and those slot can be interchange with other gun system (Railgun or Traditional Naval Gun), just because they were designed with AGS in mind and latter on the Navy Cancelled the LRLAP project, it does not mean A.) Zumwalt is a failure B.) It cannot carry any Naval Gun.

So, do explain to me, how Zumwalt is a "Failure"

 

[Kyle Sun]

Yankees: Hi everybody, listen up! The railgun is a waste of money. Don't spend money on this technology anymore.

EU: Yes, master.
Japan: Yes, master.
AU: Yes, master.
CN: Go **** yourself.

 

[Nan Yang]

Do define how Zumwalt is a "failure"?

As said, the 155 gun in any navy ship is not really useful to begin with, and those slot can be interchange with other gun system (Railgun or Traditional Naval Gun), just because they were designed with AGS in mind and latter on the Navy Cancelled the LRLAP project, it does not mean A.) Zumwalt is a failure B.) It cannot carry any Naval Gun.

So, do explain to me, how Zumwalt is a "Failure"

It is a failure because the Navy in the end only decided to build like 4. This resulted in a cost of about US$4 billion a piece. This makes the Zummalt a capital ship and too expensive to risk sending into battle alone without ascosrt defecting it's original purpose.

 

[jhungary]

It is a failure because the Navy in the end only decided to build like 4. This resulted in a cost of about US$4 billion a piece. This makes the Zummalt a capital ship and too expensive to risk sending into battle alone without ascosrt defecting it's original purpose.

Zumwalt was NOT intended to replace destroyer squadron to begin with, notice the USN originally wanted 32 while US have planned about 80 Arleigh-Burke Class destroyer (And current number planned is upward to 110) Unless you are claiming the 32 Zumwalt originally planned is to replace 80 destroyer, your point does not fly.

People don't understand the project would think like you did, thinking Zumwalt is a failure, because of cost overrun. People think These ship cost 4 billions to build so the Navy cannot afford those ship and only build 4. But the fact is the other way around, those ship cost 4 billions to build BECAUSE they only build 3. Why? The Design has already pay off, which mean the program cost is ALWAYS going to be 22 billions, regardless on how many Zumwalt the Navy orders, they can order 3, they can order 30, the program cost is still going to be 22 Billions. And with each ship build, the cost per ship WILL GO DOWN, because the R&D cost is shared amongst each ship. So if they build 7, then each ship with cost around 3 billions, and if they keep the 32 order, each ship will cost around 2 to 2.5 billions (Which is similar to a AB Flight 3 Cost)

Why the Navy terminate the project if they have already pay for the R&D and money is not a problem? That's because Zumwalt is too advance, and the US Navy have overestimated the threat that they face, the "threat" does not exist because Zumwalt is an unique ship that does not have an equal in the world. And the fact is, Arleigh Burke Class is still capable to handle foreign threats even tho it is a 30 years old design. That is what killed Zumwalt's. Why keep the fleet of ship that the world have no answer for when you can deal with the problem with the current asset? And if and when the world get to that stage where Arleigh Burke Class can no longer face the threat, they can just as easy resume Zumwalt Production, however, I highly doubt this is the case, because by then, the US Navy would have the "Next Generation" destroyer even better than the Zumwalts.

 

[Beast]

I don’t put words in any mouth. Have I mentioned your name? No. Not sure if China will start WW III when some PLA railgun landing ships become available.

It doesnt matter it mention name or not. Cowards like you vietnamese are taught how to be in one in vietnamese school. You generalise all Chinese ana dont have the balls to admit or back your words with facts.


China just starts recently, but it appears many Chinese believe once they have railgun they will conquer the world ocean. That reminds me of Adolf Hitler with his beliefs of wonder weapons.

Let me ask u again, who is the Chinese you claim says those words or believe that? Or u make it up to malign others. Is this what vietnamese culture or school teaches you? Or u lack the courage like a cowards to back those words. Come on, admit u are a turtle. I will forgive u.

Zumwalt was NOT intended to replace destroyer squadron to begin with, notice the USN originally wanted 32 while US have planned about 80 Arleigh-Burke Class destroyer (And current number planned is upward to 110) Unless you are claiming the 32 Zumwalt originally planned is to replace 80 destroyer, your point does not fly.

People don't understand the project would think like you did, thinking Zumwalt is a failure, because of cost overrun. People think These ship cost 4 billions to build so the Navy cannot afford those ship and only build 4. But the fact is the other way around, those ship cost 4 billions to build BECAUSE they only build 3. Why? The Design has already pay off, which mean the program cost is ALWAYS going to be 22 billions, regardless on how many Zumwalt the Navy orders, they can order 3, they can order 30, the program cost is still going to be 22 Billions. And with each ship build, the cost per ship WILL GO DOWN, because the R&D cost is shared amongst each ship. So if they build 7, then each ship with cost around 3 billions, and if they keep the 32 order, each ship will cost around 2 to 2.5 billions (Which is similar to a AB Flight 3 Cost)

Why the Navy terminate the project if they have already pay for the R&D and money is not a problem? That's because Zumwalt is too advance, and the US Navy have overestimated the threat that they face, the "threat" does not exist because Zumwalt is an unique ship that does not have an equal in the world. And the fact is, Arleigh Burke Class is still capable to handle foreign threats even tho it is a 30 years old design. That is what killed Zumwalt's. Why keep the fleet of ship that the world have no answer for when you can deal with the problem with the current asset? And if and when the world get to that stage where Arleigh Burke Class can no longer face the threat, they can just as easy resume Zumwalt Production, however, I highly doubt this is the case, because by then, the US Navy would have the "Next Generation" destroyer even better than the Zumwalts.

Zumalt is a failure. Even US admits it. Fancy a vietnamese vietnamese desperate trying to defend US failure. If white American dont feel a pinch for wasting such huge money. Why a vietnamese is so work up for White american?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/12/zumwalt-class-navy-stealth-destroyer-program-failure/

Billed as the Navy’s stealth wonder-ship of the future, the USS Zumwalt destroyer has turned into a procurement boondoggle.

 

[yantong1980]

Zumwalt already been operating since 2016, those are actual ship CURRENTLY IN SERVICE with United States Navy, and General Electric/BAe EMLRG has already been test fired and proven operational since 2008. Those are the facts, you can search online and get as much information you want.

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Now show me 1 picture of a complete Type 055 operational photo, I want Operational Photo, not sea trial, not dry dock photo. And now show me any picture of any type of Railgun China are firing?

Fact is where you can have hard data to back up, you can claim whatever you want but without any hard data, it's just hearsay, and until any Chinese member can produce any solid evidence that such ship and railgun exist and working, it would mean any bragging is for work that not yet shown operational.

Me Whinning? About what, some report? I mean from the look of it, none of you even know what is the requirement on firing a railgun, and none of you know about the limitation to goes along with it, and yet you guys are doing this and that over something that no one in the world can even verify its existence. lol. At the end of the day, you cannot get jealous of something DOES NOT EXIST.



FACTS REMAINS
1.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE AN OPERATIONAL TYPE 055 DESTORYER
2.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE AN OPERATIONAL RAILGUN
3.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE ANY SOLUTION ON THE PROBLEM US NAVY ENCOUNTERED IN 2008

Unless you can show me ANY evidence to contradict otherwise, that remain a facts. You can argue about your fanboy friction and imagination amongst yourselves, I only care about what you can proof and not what you think.

Your cr*ppy FACT mean nothing, you just sourgrape and act like smart *ss, that HARD FACT for you. You want real proof? Why don't you find for yourself, if this members here fail your satisfaction, go to China and dig something to your heart content! IF you need HARD EVIDENCE, you NEED something OFFICIAL, and that's NOT from members here J! China's military not so keen sharing info about their projects, info available extremely scarce and limited, everyone here for sure not military linked nor related with military project, only guessing and rumour, this is Chinese military fans forum for Christ sake! That's what happen when you let your EGO runs wild and your LOGIC fail you, Dude!

 

[Viet]

It doesnt matter it mention name or not. Cowards like you vietnamese are taught how to be in one in vietnamese school. You generalise all Chinese ana dont have the balls to admit or back your words with facts.


China just starts recently, but it appears many Chinese believe once they have railgun they will conquer the world ocean. That reminds me of Adolf Hitler with his beliefs of wonder weapons.

Let me ask u again, who is the Chinese you claim says those words or believe that? Or u make it up to malign others. Is this what vietnamese culture or school teaches you? Or u lack the courage like a cowards to back those words. Come on, admit u are a turtle. I will forgive u.


Zumalt is a failure. Even US admits it. Fancy a vietnamese vietnamese desperate trying to defend US failure. If white American dont feel a pinch for wasting such huge money. Why a vietnamese is so work up for White american?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/12/zumwalt-class-navy-stealth-destroyer-program-failure/

Billed as the Navy’s stealth wonder-ship of the future, the USS Zumwalt destroyer has turned into a procurement boondoggle.

You are a funny poster. The words are written on the walls on over the market places: China railgun is the best since chopsticks were invented.