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The UK and China are both holding back assets/money.
But apparently this makes the UK the scum of the earth, yet China has done the right thing.
China is blocking release of Libya's frozen assets
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But apparently this makes the UK the scum of the earth, yet China has done the right thing.
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All countries are scums when it comes to protecting their assets. We're very upfront about it. If they don't pay for the works we did for them, they starve. On the other hand, UK trumpet about democracy and protecting human rights, yet does the same thing.
An honest scum is better than a lying scum.
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China just want to protect the property, we are building infrastructure in Libya, and then get money or oil, not to bomb or invasion, remember it, thank you.
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This is defence.pk a Pakistani forum.
If you want to hear things you want to, you could also join another forum at the same time.
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Libya rendition claims: David Cameron calls for inquiry
Allegations that MI6 was involved in the rendition of Libyan terror suspects should be examined by an independent inquiry, David Cameron has said.
It comes after papers suggesting close ties between MI6, the CIA and the Gaddafi regime were found in Tripoli.
An anti-Gaddafi military leader says he wants the UK and US to apologise for organising his 2004 transfer to Libya.
An existing inquiry into allegations of UK security agencies' involvement in torture has said it will investigate.
Abdel Hakim Belhaj, then a terror suspect but now in charge of the Libyan capital's military forces, says he was tortured after being arrested in Bangkok.
He says he was taken to Libya by a CIA and MI6 operation, allegedly confirmed by documents sent to Gaddafi's regime, and sent to prison.
The Foreign Office said the government had a "long-standing policy" not to comment on intelligence matters.
Mr Belhaj told the BBC: "What happened to me and my family is illegal. It deserves an apology. And for what happened to me when I was captured and tortured.
"For all these illegal things, starting with the information given to Libyan security, the interrogation in Bangkok."
According to the Guardian, these documents were discovered in an abandoned office building in Tripoli by staff from Human Rights Watch.
Mr Belhaj said that MI6 and the CIA did not witness his torture at the hands of the former Libyan regime, but did interview him afterwards.
A spokesman for the prime minister said that the existing Detainee Inquiry into rendition was "well placed" to investigate the allegations reported in recent days.
"It's not clear precisely what the allegations amount to," the spokesman added. "We don't have a clear picture from these documents, which is precisely why an inquiry like the [Detainee] inquiry might be well placed to consider the issue."
A statement from the Detainee Inquiry, to be chaired by Sir Peter Gibson, said that as part of its role of examining the extent of the government's involvement in, or awareness of, improper treatment of detainees, it would "therefore, of course, be considering these allegations of UK involvement in rendition to Libya as part of our work.
"We will be seeking more information from government and its agencies as soon as possible."
Letter of thanks
Sir Mark Allen, formerly MI6's director of counter-terrorism, has been reported to be the author of a letter to Moussa Koussa, thanking him for a "delicious" gift of dates and oranges, which was found among the recovered documents.
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What these documents appear to show is that Britain was turning a blind eye to maltreatment, and that's really the question that's going to have to be answered by the government.
This whole things smells very bad. You couldn't find a more embarrassing example of collusion with a very unpleasant regime, by an arm of British government.
A Whitehall spokesperson told me there were three points they would make. The first is that MI6 is tasked by the foreign secretary in who they have their dealings with.
Secondly, they said they always act within the law.
Thirdly, they seek assurances that there won't be mistreatment of people when they're handed over. Those assurances look pretty hollow because Gaddafi's regime was notoriously brutal, as are many of the regimes that people have been dealing with.
I think the reason that they would give for dealing with Gaddafi's regime - and this is certainly not going to satisfy a lot of people - is that they needed to dismantle their active WMD programme.
Mr Koussa served for years as Col Gaddafi's spy chief before becoming foreign minister. He defected in the early part of the rebellion, flying to the UK and then on to Qatar.
Rights groups have long accused him of involvement in atrocities, and had called on the UK to arrest him at the time.
BBC Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen, who has been shown the documents relating to Mr Belhaj, said the allegations were damaging "because we're talking about acts that were illegal".
Kim Howells, a former Foreign Office minister who became chairman of the Commons Intelligence and Security Committee, said his committee found no evidence of rendition by the UK.
But, he added, following the September 11 attacks, British intelligence would have been working closely with their Libyan counterparts.
"There were huge fears that Islamists - and the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group was an Islamist organisation - were going to try and do the same thing in London or Glasgow or Cardiff or whatever," he said.
"And I think there was an attempt by the security services and intelligence services to try and get hold of any information that might give a clue as to whether there were bombers at large."
Security 'assurances'
Philippe Sands, a professor of international law, says he would not be surprised to find out that British security services and politicians were co-operating with Libyan officials in the fight against terrorism, but also said some questions needed to be asked.
"It's very troubling but consistent with a pattern of information and documents that's emerged in English court proceedings and elsewhere showing very close co-operation, shall we say.
"But this letter [referring to Abdul Hakim Belhaj] appears to be inconsistent with assurances given by most senior folk at MI5 and MI6 about who knew what when."
Other documents allegedly showing the CIA abducted several suspected militants from 2002 to 2004 and handed them to Tripoli were among thousands of pieces of correspondence from US and UK officials uncovered by reporters and activists in an office apparently used by Moussa Koussa.
The CIA would not comment on the specifics of the allegations.
The documents are also reported to suggest that MI6 also gave the Gaddafi regime details of dissidents.
These particular documents, found by Human Rights Watch workers, have not been seen by the BBC or independently verified. They allegedly reveal details about the UK's relationship with the Gaddafi regime.
One memo, dated 18 March 2004 and with the address "London SE1", congratulates Libya on the arrival of Mr Belhaj.
Meanwhile, China's government has admitted that Chinese arms manufacturers held talks as recently as July with representatives of Colonel Gaddafi's government who were seeking arms and ammunition as his forces battled rebels.
The meetings happened in China while a UN ban on such sales was in place. But China's Foreign Ministry has insisted that no actual weapons were supplied to Libya.
BBC News - Libya rendition claims: David Cameron calls for inquiry
Allegations that MI6 was involved in the rendition of Libyan terror suspects should be examined by an independent inquiry, David Cameron has said.
It comes after papers suggesting close ties between MI6, the CIA and the Gaddafi regime were found in Tripoli.
An anti-Gaddafi military leader says he wants the UK and US to apologise for organising his 2004 transfer to Libya.
An existing inquiry into allegations of UK security agencies' involvement in torture has said it will investigate.
Abdel Hakim Belhaj, then a terror suspect but now in charge of the Libyan capital's military forces, says he was tortured after being arrested in Bangkok.
He says he was taken to Libya by a CIA and MI6 operation, allegedly confirmed by documents sent to Gaddafi's regime, and sent to prison.
The Foreign Office said the government had a "long-standing policy" not to comment on intelligence matters.
Mr Belhaj told the BBC: "What happened to me and my family is illegal. It deserves an apology. And for what happened to me when I was captured and tortured.
"For all these illegal things, starting with the information given to Libyan security, the interrogation in Bangkok."
According to the Guardian, these documents were discovered in an abandoned office building in Tripoli by staff from Human Rights Watch.
Mr Belhaj said that MI6 and the CIA did not witness his torture at the hands of the former Libyan regime, but did interview him afterwards.
A spokesman for the prime minister said that the existing Detainee Inquiry into rendition was "well placed" to investigate the allegations reported in recent days.
"It's not clear precisely what the allegations amount to," the spokesman added. "We don't have a clear picture from these documents, which is precisely why an inquiry like the [Detainee] inquiry might be well placed to consider the issue."
A statement from the Detainee Inquiry, to be chaired by Sir Peter Gibson, said that as part of its role of examining the extent of the government's involvement in, or awareness of, improper treatment of detainees, it would "therefore, of course, be considering these allegations of UK involvement in rendition to Libya as part of our work.
"We will be seeking more information from government and its agencies as soon as possible."
Letter of thanks
Sir Mark Allen, formerly MI6's director of counter-terrorism, has been reported to be the author of a letter to Moussa Koussa, thanking him for a "delicious" gift of dates and oranges, which was found among the recovered documents.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What these documents appear to show is that Britain was turning a blind eye to maltreatment, and that's really the question that's going to have to be answered by the government.
This whole things smells very bad. You couldn't find a more embarrassing example of collusion with a very unpleasant regime, by an arm of British government.
A Whitehall spokesperson told me there were three points they would make. The first is that MI6 is tasked by the foreign secretary in who they have their dealings with.
Secondly, they said they always act within the law.
Thirdly, they seek assurances that there won't be mistreatment of people when they're handed over. Those assurances look pretty hollow because Gaddafi's regime was notoriously brutal, as are many of the regimes that people have been dealing with.
I think the reason that they would give for dealing with Gaddafi's regime - and this is certainly not going to satisfy a lot of people - is that they needed to dismantle their active WMD programme.
Mr Koussa served for years as Col Gaddafi's spy chief before becoming foreign minister. He defected in the early part of the rebellion, flying to the UK and then on to Qatar.
Rights groups have long accused him of involvement in atrocities, and had called on the UK to arrest him at the time.
BBC Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen, who has been shown the documents relating to Mr Belhaj, said the allegations were damaging "because we're talking about acts that were illegal".
Kim Howells, a former Foreign Office minister who became chairman of the Commons Intelligence and Security Committee, said his committee found no evidence of rendition by the UK.
But, he added, following the September 11 attacks, British intelligence would have been working closely with their Libyan counterparts.
"There were huge fears that Islamists - and the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group was an Islamist organisation - were going to try and do the same thing in London or Glasgow or Cardiff or whatever," he said.
"And I think there was an attempt by the security services and intelligence services to try and get hold of any information that might give a clue as to whether there were bombers at large."
Security 'assurances'
Philippe Sands, a professor of international law, says he would not be surprised to find out that British security services and politicians were co-operating with Libyan officials in the fight against terrorism, but also said some questions needed to be asked.
"It's very troubling but consistent with a pattern of information and documents that's emerged in English court proceedings and elsewhere showing very close co-operation, shall we say.
"But this letter [referring to Abdul Hakim Belhaj] appears to be inconsistent with assurances given by most senior folk at MI5 and MI6 about who knew what when."
Other documents allegedly showing the CIA abducted several suspected militants from 2002 to 2004 and handed them to Tripoli were among thousands of pieces of correspondence from US and UK officials uncovered by reporters and activists in an office apparently used by Moussa Koussa.
The CIA would not comment on the specifics of the allegations.
The documents are also reported to suggest that MI6 also gave the Gaddafi regime details of dissidents.
These particular documents, found by Human Rights Watch workers, have not been seen by the BBC or independently verified. They allegedly reveal details about the UK's relationship with the Gaddafi regime.
One memo, dated 18 March 2004 and with the address "London SE1", congratulates Libya on the arrival of Mr Belhaj.
Meanwhile, China's government has admitted that Chinese arms manufacturers held talks as recently as July with representatives of Colonel Gaddafi's government who were seeking arms and ammunition as his forces battled rebels.
The meetings happened in China while a UN ban on such sales was in place. But China's Foreign Ministry has insisted that no actual weapons were supplied to Libya.
BBC News - Libya rendition claims: David Cameron calls for inquiry
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