CHINA IS BEING COMPARED TO PRE-WWI IMPERIAL GERMANY

[Solomon2]

1、Completely different, ww1、2 time world or rule of colonial empires, the world is divided, if I want to get your stuff, only to go to war. That is not the same and today, all countries are independent, although not perfect, but each country has its own sovereignty in general, they are able to choose their own best way. Development of economic globalization, make power do not need to rely on the war to get what you want, or the comparative costs of war are greatly enhanced. This is completely different with ago...China's economic development needs a peaceful and stable environment, so I think China will wise enough to treat the problem.

Yes. But will China choose to keep it that way, or throw the table as Europe did in WWI? European leaders also thought of themselves as wise!

Kashgar is not too distant from China's western development strategy and border stability, and that there is a big concern of Chinese leaders. About Chongqing,There is a port , but has no major component in international trade, because he is just a western mountain town. Moreover, now industry is shifting from the eastern to central and western, that all cities with a full competition to provide a superior investment environment, this is no problem, inland regions have a better and more open economic policies.

Thank you for the correction.

I do not know how you feel, but any way, it is worth a war? Do you really think so?

Question is, does China think it is worth a war? You are asking me whether it is worth it for other countries to go to war to prevent China from pushing the boundaries of the current international system.

We'll see. A lot depends on China's actions. Perhaps other nations should be more pro-active to discourage China? But that would smack of an encircling coalition against China, and I don't think that is merited - not yet, anyway.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Yes. But will China choose to keep it that way, or throw the table as Europe did in WWI? European leaders also thought of themselves as wise!

Thank you for the correction.

I think China will maintain this way, China's economic development needs a peaceful and stable environment, also need to take a long time. You can not just focus on China, China is not a defendant, our development has driven the world economy. Other countries also need to accept this development, after all, that is the best for mankind and the world. Let us find a way to both sides, we'd better be able to maintain confidence and optimism, we need to him.


In fact, WW2, the British do not want war and Germany, but you know, that there is a fanatical leader, China has not. And, now with a nuclear bomb and history. History tells us that when the two powers go a war, and finally both countries will not benefit, but other countries are waiting, they get the maximum benefits. This is not 100% complete valve to avoid war, but this is not just China's problem, but also the problems of other countries, you do not need to take a while aspects of the allegations of China, China's policy is peace and stability, so, you think who is more likely to go to war.

Question is, does China think it is worth a war? You are asking me whether it is worth it for other countries to go to war to prevent China from pushing the boundaries of the current international system.

We'll see. A lot depends on China's actions. Perhaps other nations should be more pro-active to discourage China? But that would smack of an encircling coalition against China, and I don't think that is merited - not yet, anyway.

No,just these.

A few years ago a Chinese fighter jet collided with an American reconnaissance plane, killing the fighter pilot. Would you want to accommodate those Chinese who demonstrated their desire for some sort of vengeance in return?

But I understand you said, can only say that China needs peace, even stronger, we still need peace, but this does not mean China will be afraid of war, the simple answer.

 

[Time Assassin]

The only thing we should be threaten about China is them taking over the Cricket World.

 

[below_freezing]

Yes. But will China choose to keep it that way, or throw the table as Europe did in WWI? European leaders also thought of themselves as wise!

Thank you for the correction.

Question is, does China think it is worth a war? You are asking me whether it is worth it for other countries to go to war to prevent China from pushing the boundaries of the current international system.

We'll see. A lot depends on China's actions. Perhaps other nations should be more pro-active to discourage China? But that would smack of an encircling coalition against China, and I don't think that is merited - not yet, anyway.

Mao said it best:

人不犯我我不犯人，人若犯我我必犯人！

我们不希望战争，但是我们绝对不惧怕战争！

1.) If no one attacks us, we don't attack anyone. If someone attacks us, we will attack them back.

2.) We don't want a war, but we are not afraid of a war.

This means that the ball is in the US court. It can actively try to limit China's rise but that would be quite unwise, as the costs could be immense not only for the US but for countries that choose to participate in this futile "limiting". The US can also accept reality and not interfere with China's nonexpansionist rise. In history, the US has been the most expansionist state in the world with Israel being a close 2nd in terms of % increase of territory over time gained through war. It doesn't have any moral or social high ground. Indeed, China is the only P5 member that does not have active troops deployed in a conflict!

 

[rubyjackass]

China is not a WWI German look alike, it is a WWII German look alike. The Chinese system most resembles National Socialism. If you understand the national socialist system of Germany in the 1930's and early 1940's you will see that the PRC Chinese are very similar. The main difference is that the Chinese are not, yet, militarily expansionist, except into areas they believe are "traditional" Chinese areas, such as Tibet. But even this Chinese mindset is similar to the National Socialist foreign policy in Europe in the 1930's and 1940's. Look out India! You may be holding onto the next Sudetenland!

The National Socialism is an accurate description but going too far with such comparisons will gain nothing but paranoia which is abundantly present already. Going ahead with the analogy Himalayas can make a snow desert in the winter for any invading forces.

 

[spin666]

they were not han chinese, they were manchus who invaded china as barbarian warriors, did not identify themselves as chinese, and who only won because Ming Dynasty traitors sold them the secrets of cannon and guns at the same time the Ming Dynasty got destabilized due to famine, pirate attacks and wars against Japan draining its treasury. they viewed Chinese land as "personal property".

an interesting part is, Ming Dynasty led the world in cannon, missile and gun technology in the 17th century, but then China actually regressed in terms of military technology during the Qing. This was because the barbarians wanted to keep us down and make us easier to control, as they couldn't maintain the factories needed to produce high tech (for their time) weapons and they couldn't be sure of a Han uprising if we kept the ability to make weapons far superior to what they can understand.

LOL. Top of line nationalist talk ever. Now even consider "Man" out side chinese. Nice. Consider there was no "Chinese" back to Qing dynasty,and the IDEA of "CHINESE" come from Qing dynasty. It was born after the fall of Qing dynasty.

Ming did not had superior gun technology,not bar far. But it was holding on it's own. The speed of making these type of weapon are slow, been chinese are not so hunger for conquest. Unlike european which war was part of live back then, also the idea of superior weapon is need for new conquest. European quickly over take chinese on gunpowder weaponry. After Qing dynasty conquest most part of China,their "logical" way of think is "as we were winning without gunpowder,they are not so useful".

Yes. But will China choose to keep it that way, or throw the table as Europe did in WWI? European leaders also thought of themselves as wise!

Thank you for the correction.

Question is, does China think it is worth a war? You are asking me whether it is worth it for other countries to go to war to prevent China from pushing the boundaries of the current international system.

We'll see. A lot depends on China's actions. Perhaps other nations should be more pro-active to discourage China? But that would smack of an encircling coalition against China, and I don't think that is merited - not yet, anyway.

By asking those question you missed most of chinese history and culture ideas. In all those emperor of chinese 2000 years of history,few are truelly like of the idea of conqust. Unlike western history which is full of these. Most of chinese culture is part or in full base on the confucius,which act as the base of Ethics and Philosophy. If you taken account this and chinese history,you can see why chinese are not so expansionist,which is quite unlike Nazi(Germany). Which had none of these restriction. Also Chinese been the controling area(nowday China)only player,there is none other power,unlike Germany as race,they need to fight to survive. Which is why chinese is quite passive about conquest,and Germany back then was still quite aggressive. The Treaty of Versailles didn't help!

 

[Solomon2]

Most of chinese culture is part or in full base on the confucius,which act as the base of Ethics and Philosophy. If you taken account this and chinese history,you can see why chinese are not so expansionist -

You must allow for some confusion here. A decade ago when I was talking to Chinese students about China being Confucian they responded not anymore, China is Communist. This, then, is an internal struggle for the Chinese soul. Doubtless China's external aggressions are a reflection of this.

 

[HongWu]

^ That sounds like pseudo-intellectualism. What "external aggressions"? How does a struggle between two ideologies result in "external aggression"?

 

[Speeder 2]

^ That sounds like pseudo-intellectualism. What "external aggressions"? How does a struggle between two ideologies result in "external aggression"?

but you have to realise that most of the time Indians, oops sorry I mean Americans , think slowly...

 

[below_freezing]

but you have to realise that most of the time Indians, oops sorry I mean Americans , think slowly...

you know, the more i post here, the more evidence of IQ shows up, and i've already identified a few subgroups as being more likely to display lower IQ. usually they have this red, white and blue symbol on their left.

 

[Speeder 2]

^ you rac!st ****

 

[spin666]

You must allow for some confusion here. A decade ago when I was talking to Chinese students about China being Confucian they responded not anymore, China is Communist. This, then, is an internal struggle for the Chinese soul. Doubtless China's external aggressions are a reflection of this.

It's quite true. But even the CCP can't remove that what is inside most chinese. It's part of our culture. There where no internal struggle. You can't remove something that is so deep in side. Most these jokers in here,don't even know they had it. Because the poor job done by our education system. More and more drones been made,and we may lost few Oppenheimer in these past 30-40years.

I can't say I see much of chinese external aggressions. With only few border conflict. Nor does I see any more coming. The 50years of anti-communist sermon has left most western world fear about communist. But as it was seen in east-europe and CCCP. Communist main problem is it self. Which is why CCP is quite aktively change from old type of communist to a more "open" type Authoritarianism. As most pro-chinese type of critic,we hope it well change to some form of democracy. Be it more a chinese style of democracy(not a direct copy of US or EU type).

If you were talking about region,then Chinese did had some problem with communism been not so "good". But the fact is most Buddhism and taoism most part survive the G.Culture revolution. And Confucian is still the guilding source of our way of live.

 

[Speeder 2]

^ look, I have to say that I only "thanked you" for your "no expansionist " part in your comment .

 

[gambit]

you know, the more i post here, the more evidence of IQ shows up, and i've already identified a few subgroups as being more likely to display lower IQ. usually they have this red, white and blue symbol on their left.

After WW II, Japan was no longer an aggressive imperial power but a devastatedly defeated and occupied country. But there are significant comparables between China and that defeated Japan. The US and Chinese nationalism ensured that China was no longer in danger of the return of colonialism. However, that does not mean some of the institutions of colonialism, namely administrative ones, cannot be adapted alongside China's long established bureaucracies from the dynasties, not to rebuild, but to build upon, to make China progressive in every way. Adopting communism was a monumental blunder to that great potential. Japan surged and sped ahead of communist China. Same for South Korea.

Not much economics to learn from Mao's little red book, eh?

 

[huzihaidao12]

After WW II, Japan was no longer an aggressive imperial power but a devastatedly defeated and occupied country. But there are significant comparables between China and that defeated Japan. The US and Chinese nationalism ensured that China was no longer in danger of the return of colonialism. However, that does not mean some of the institutions of colonialism, namely administrative ones, cannot be adapted alongside China's long established bureaucracies from the dynasties, not to rebuild, but to build upon, to make China progressive in every way. Adopting communism was a monumental blunder to that great potential. Japan surged and sped ahead of communist China. Same for South Korea.

Not much economics to learn from Mao's little red book, eh?

You do not have any realistic view to the development of a country, I ask you, you are very satisfied with India? Would you like to live in India?