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China Has Lost Taiwan, and It Knows It
So it is attacking democracy on the island from within.

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President Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan and her running mate, William Lai Ching-te, campaigning in Taipei on Nov. 17. Ms. Tsai has vehemently denounced interference from Beijing.Credit...Chiang Ying-Ying/Associated Press
Not a chance,” the president’s tweet said, in Chinese characters. That was the message from Tsai Ing-wen, the leader of Taiwan, on Nov. 5, after the Chinese government announced a string of initiatives to lure Taiwanese companies and residents to the mainland.

“Beijing’s new 26 measures are part of a greater effort to force a ‘one country, two systems’ model on #Taiwan,” Ms. Tsai’s tweet said, referring to the principle according to which Hong Kong — another territory Beijing eventually hopes to fully control — is supposed to be governed for now and its semiautonomy from Beijing guaranteed. “I want to be very clear: China’s attempts to influence our elections & push us to accept ‘one country, two systems’ will never succeed.” The protesters who have mobilized in Hong Kong for months say, in effect, that the principle is a lie.

In Taiwan, the Chinese government’s objective has long been what it calls “peaceful reunification” — “reunification” even though Taiwan has never been under the jurisdiction or control of the People’s Republic of China or the Chinese Communist Party. To achieve that goal, Beijing has for years tried to simultaneously coax and coerce Taiwan’s adhesion with both the promise of economic benefits and military threats. Early this year, President Xi Jinping of China reiterated that “complete reunification” was a “historic task.” “We make no promise to renounce the use of force and reserve the option of taking all necessary means,” he added.

Taiwan is gearing up for a presidential election in January. On Nov. 17, Ms. Tsai announced that the pro-independence William Lai Ching-te, a former prime minister, would be her running mate. On the same day, China sent an aircraft carrier through the Taiwan Strait. (In July, China had released its defense white paper, and it stated, “By sailing ships and flying aircraft around Taiwan, the armed forces send a stern warning to the ‘Taiwan independence’ separatist forces.”) Joseph Wu, Taiwan’s foreign minister, reacted by tweeting: “#PRC intends to intervene in #Taiwan’s elections. Voters won’t be intimidated! They’ll say NO to #China at the ballot box.”

Only about one in 10 Taiwanese people support unification with China, whether sooner or later, according to a survey by the Election Study Center of National Chengchi University in October. Given public opinion, presidential candidates are likely to hurt their chances if they are perceived as being too close to the Chinese government.

Beijing, by flexing its muscle, seems to have succeeded only in pushing the Taiwanese away. A series of missile tests by the People’s Liberation Army in the lead-up to Taiwan’s March 1996 presidential election was designed to intimidate voters and turn them away from re-electing the nationalist Lee Teng-hui. One of his opponents, Chen Li-an, warned, “If you vote for Lee Teng-hui, you are choosing war.” Mr. Lee won comfortably over three other candidates, with 54 percent of the popular vote.

The Chinese authorities also seemed to think that increasing economic interdependence across the Taiwan Strait would be a pathway to unification. At some point, the theory went, it would be too costly for Taiwan to unravel economic links.

And yet. Trade between China and Taiwan exceeded $181 billion in 2017, up from about $35.5 billion in 1999. But even as the two economies grew closer, the number of people who identified as Taiwanese increased: from more than 48 percent to about 60 percent between 2008 and late 2015, during the presidency of Ma Ying-jeou, of the Kuomintang.


The Sunflower Movement of 2014, a series of protests led by a coalition of students and civil-society activists, marked the rejection of close relations with China [URL='https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/twenty-somethings-in-taiwan-and-the-countrys-first-female-president']by Taiwan’s younger generations
. So did the election of the pro-sovereignty Ms. Tsai in 2016.[/URL]

Ms. Tsai’s popularity then slid — mostly because she couldn’t sell significant reforms on pensions and same-sex marriage or make progress on stagnant wage growth and pollution control. By the time local elections were held in late 2018, her chances at a second presidential term seemed to be next to nil. But now she leads opinion polls.

For her renewed popularity, she can thank, in part, the monthslong protests in Hong Kong. Beijing designed the “one country, two systems” model in place in the city also with Taiwan in mind. The idea, long unpopular with many Taiwanese people, seems less credible than ever.

China casts a wide net, and it will persist in pulling its military and economic levers. No doubt, too, it will continue to manipulate news coverage to try to buoy Beijing-friendly candidates in the upcoming election. But now it is also launching a disinformation campaign to sap Taiwanese’s trust in their institutions and sow discontent among them.

Late last month, Ms. Tsai accused China of “producing fake news and disseminating rumors to deceive and mislead Taiwanese” in hopes of “destroying our democracy.” Ms. Tsai herself has struggled to shake off the accusation that she did not earn a doctorate from the London School of Economics, even though the university has confirmed that she was “correctly awarded a Ph.D. in law in 1984.” Chinese officials are reported to have privately admitted that Russia’s tampering with the United States’ presidential election in 2016 caused them to reconsider ways of meddling with Taiwan’s.

China has also made no secret of its intention to exacerbate social rifts in Taiwan. An editorial from April in The Global Times, a Chinese state-owned tabloid, stated: “We don’t need a real war to resolve the Taiwan question. The mainland can adopt various measures to make Taiwan ruled by the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) turn into a Lebanon situation which ‘Taiwan independence’ forces cannot afford.” Meaning: The Chinese government believes it can pit various ethnic, political and social groups in Taiwan against one another.

China can also be expected to exploit the soft underbelly of Taiwanese politics: patronage networks. Those are less important today than during Taiwan’s authoritarian days, but they continue to allow community leaders, farmers’ associations and even organized-crime figures to buy votes.

active on them, and traditional news outlets have been known to republish fake posts without fact-checking. According to Reuters, Chinese government agencies have paid Taiwanese news outlets to publish pro-Beijing content.

By some accounts, a disinformation campaign conducted by a professional cybergroup from China, which was traced back to the publicity department of the Chinese Communist Party, helped the pro-China Han Kuo-yu get elected mayor of the southern city of Kaohsiung: One (false) story claimed that during a debate, Mr. Han’s opponent wore an earpiece feeding him talking points. China is trying to erode Taiwan’s body politic from within.

But Taiwan is pushing back. Legislators have recently accelerated efforts to pass a law against foreign infiltration and political interference before the election. An adviser to a presidential candidate told me this summer in Taipei, “The question for voters this election is: Do you want a quick death or a slow one?” Is it, though? Despite Beijing’s efforts at sabotage, Taiwan’s democracy is proving well and truly alive
 
No, we don't know it, beside, Taiwan's official name is Republic of China, when will they change this name?
Why would they change the name? They lay claim over whole China (mainland + island) just like CCP , they say they are the legitimate government of China just like CCP.
Imo here fight is ideological rather than land
 
Why would they change the name? They lay claim over whole China (mainland + island) just like CCP , they say they are the legitimate government of China just like CCP.
Imo here fight is ideological rather than land
But they OP's author, the Australian guy doesn't even seem to know this basic common sense when he claims "China"...
 
But they OP's author, the Australian guy doesn't even seem to know this basic common sense when he claims "China"...
Lol OP did a good job for PRC though. By differentiating between CCP PRC and Taiwan ,he indirectly dents Taiwans claim over mainland China.
 
@Goku the substance of the article does not matter to him, never has. Just be glad he does not add videos of Taiwanese girls crying seeing the Chinese flag and hearing their national anthem as proof of how Taiwanese love China
 
Australians are known for making wild claims, don't know which ones to believe.

China will overtake the US by 2030
Andrew Clark
Nov 25, 2019 — 12.00am

Australia should prepare for China to overtake the US as the world’s biggest economy by 2030, according to a group of influential Australian foreign policy figures.

Former foreign minister Gareth Evans said he agreed with forecasts that China will have a bigger economy than the US by 2030, although “not in per capita terms”.


However, he said the number one status wouldn't mean that China had dominant world power.

Mr Evans, foreign minister in the Hawke and Keating governments, said becoming a dominant world power “is a function of many factors like reserve currency status, dominance across multiple technological sectors, number of allies and partners, total military firepower, soft power, and general; global – as distinct from regional – reach and influence”.

“Obviously the US is losing relative ground in a number of these areas, and equally obviously the US has to come to terms with not being uncontested top dog everywhere, but global dominance for China by 2030, no,” said Mr Evans, who is retiring as ANU chancellor at the end of this year.

A former head of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Peter Varghese, said it was “more likely than not” China will have a bigger economy than the US by 2030 “because of its much larger population,” although “no one can say [this] with certainty”.

“But China lags well behind the US on productivity and has many structural weaknesses in its economy,” said Mr Varghese, who is the chancellor of Queensland University.

“The US, on the other hand, has an edge in education and still in innovation and is an economy of great depth and flexibility. We know for certain that in per capita terms the US will be much larger and this is not irrelevant to its strategic weight.”

Allan Gyngell, a former head of Australia’s premier intelligence analysis agency, the Office of National Assessments, also said he accepted the many forecasts that China would be the largest economy in the world by 2030.

At the same time, “Australia needs to manage its relations with China with skill, care and much better-informed knowledge about China itself,” Mr Gyngell told The Australian Financial Review.

“We need to do it both directly and in the broader company of the region around us. We’re not alone in dealing with the new-old power on the block. “

However, “I don’t see China in the period to 2030 having the capacity to exercise hegemony over a region that includes Japan, India, Indonesia and Australia with the US always involved in some form.”

His comments were made as The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald reported that Wang "William" Liqiang is seeking asylum in Australia, and has offered to hand over numerous Chinese intelligence secrets about Beijing’s political interference operations in Hong Kong, Taiwan and Australia.

His bid for political asylum will lead to a further deterioration in diplomatic relations between China and Australia that have already been labelled as being in a “deep freeze.”

Meanwhile, in a scarcely reported speech last August, Mr Varghese said China was pushing to return to its status as the “Middle Kingdom,” or a pre-Industrial Revolution era when it was the strongest economic power in the world.

Pre-emptive surrender
“It hopes to get there not by invasion or territorial expansion but by exercising economic leverage” and is seeking “a pre-emptive surrender to its interests,” Mr Varghese said in his address to Sydney University’s US Studies Centre.

Moreover, China “wants the countries in the region to accept that cutting across China’s core interests would come at a high and ultimately unacceptable price,” he said.

He presciently warned that “covert interference in the politics of regional countries has risen and “cyber attacks are becoming more sophisticated".

“Hide and bide has been replaced with a sense that China’s time has come.”

As a counterbalance, “the US should play to its considerable strengths in economic depth and flexibility, technology, research, alliances and values to buttress its standing.”

“For Australia the challenges ahead are large. For the first time since the European settlement of Australia, we find ourselves in a region where our great and powerful friends face a serious challenge to their strategic primacy.

“Our economy, so dependent on external markets and foreign investment, must now navigate a global economy with protectionist sentiment on the rise and a US-China relationship – a relationship between the two largest economies – entering a new and unpredictable stage.”

These shifts “cannot be resisted but they can be shaped,” said Mr Varghese, a strong supporter of the development of an ”organic” Quad grouping, consisting of the US, Japan, India and Australia, as a counterweight to China.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/china-will-overtake-the-us-by-2030-20191124-p53djq
 
China Has Lost Taiwan, and It Knows It
So it is attacking democracy on the island from within.

merlin_164544267_d1bde649-259b-4ea5-a9ad-161b056b48db-articleLarge.jpg

President Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan and her running mate, William Lai Ching-te, campaigning in Taipei on Nov. 17. Ms. Tsai has vehemently denounced interference from Beijing.Credit...Chiang Ying-Ying/Associated Press
Not a chance,” the president’s tweet said, in Chinese characters. That was the message from Tsai Ing-wen, the leader of Taiwan, on Nov. 5, after the Chinese government announced a string of initiatives to lure Taiwanese companies and residents to the mainland.

“Beijing’s new 26 measures are part of a greater effort to force a ‘one country, two systems’ model on #Taiwan,” Ms. Tsai’s tweet said, referring to the principle according to which Hong Kong — another territory Beijing eventually hopes to fully control — is supposed to be governed for now and its semiautonomy from Beijing guaranteed. “I want to be very clear: China’s attempts to influence our elections & push us to accept ‘one country, two systems’ will never succeed.” The protesters who have mobilized in Hong Kong for months say, in effect, that the principle is a lie.

In Taiwan, the Chinese government’s objective has long been what it calls “peaceful reunification” — “reunification” even though Taiwan has never been under the jurisdiction or control of the People’s Republic of China or the Chinese Communist Party. To achieve that goal, Beijing has for years tried to simultaneously coax and coerce Taiwan’s adhesion with both the promise of economic benefits and military threats. Early this year, President Xi Jinping of China reiterated that “complete reunification” was a “historic task.” “We make no promise to renounce the use of force and reserve the option of taking all necessary means,” he added.

Taiwan is gearing up for a presidential election in January. On Nov. 17, Ms. Tsai announced that the pro-independence William Lai Ching-te, a former prime minister, would be her running mate. On the same day, China sent an aircraft carrier through the Taiwan Strait. (In July, China had released its defense white paper, and it stated, “By sailing ships and flying aircraft around Taiwan, the armed forces send a stern warning to the ‘Taiwan independence’ separatist forces.”) Joseph Wu, Taiwan’s foreign minister, reacted by tweeting: “#PRC intends to intervene in #Taiwan’s elections. Voters won’t be intimidated! They’ll say NO to #China at the ballot box.”

Only about one in 10 Taiwanese people support unification with China, whether sooner or later, according to a survey by the Election Study Center of National Chengchi University in October. Given public opinion, presidential candidates are likely to hurt their chances if they are perceived as being too close to the Chinese government.

Beijing, by flexing its muscle, seems to have succeeded only in pushing the Taiwanese away. A series of missile tests by the People’s Liberation Army in the lead-up to Taiwan’s March 1996 presidential election was designed to intimidate voters and turn them away from re-electing the nationalist Lee Teng-hui. One of his opponents, Chen Li-an, warned, “If you vote for Lee Teng-hui, you are choosing war.” Mr. Lee won comfortably over three other candidates, with 54 percent of the popular vote.

The Chinese authorities also seemed to think that increasing economic interdependence across the Taiwan Strait would be a pathway to unification. At some point, the theory went, it would be too costly for Taiwan to unravel economic links.

And yet. Trade between China and Taiwan exceeded $181 billion in 2017, up from about $35.5 billion in 1999. But even as the two economies grew closer, the number of people who identified as Taiwanese increased: from more than 48 percent to about 60 percent between 2008 and late 2015, during the presidency of Ma Ying-jeou, of the Kuomintang.


The Sunflower Movement of 2014, a series of protests led by a coalition of students and civil-society activists, marked the rejection of close relations with China
by Taiwan’s younger generations. So did the election of the pro-sovereignty Ms. Tsai in 2016.

Ms. Tsai’s popularity then slid — mostly because she couldn’t sell significant reforms on pensions and same-sex marriage or make progress on stagnant wage growth and pollution control. By the time local elections were held in late 2018, her chances at a second presidential term seemed to be next to nil. But now she leads opinion polls.

For her renewed popularity, she can thank, in part, the monthslong protests in Hong Kong. Beijing designed the “one country, two systems” model in place in the city also with Taiwan in mind. The idea, long unpopular with many Taiwanese people, seems less credible than ever.

China casts a wide net, and it will persist in pulling its military and economic levers. No doubt, too, it will continue to manipulate news coverage to try to buoy Beijing-friendly candidates in the upcoming election. But now it is also launching a disinformation campaign to sap Taiwanese’s trust in their institutions and sow discontent among them.

Late last month, Ms. Tsai accused China of “producing fake news and disseminating rumors to deceive and mislead Taiwanese” in hopes of “destroying our democracy.” Ms. Tsai herself has struggled to shake off the accusation that she did not earn a doctorate from the London School of Economics, even though the university has confirmed that she was “correctly awarded a Ph.D. in law in 1984.” Chinese officials are reported to have privately admitted that Russia’s tampering with the United States’ presidential election in 2016 caused them to reconsider ways of meddling with Taiwan’s.

China has also made no secret of its intention to exacerbate social rifts in Taiwan. An editorial from April in The Global Times, a Chinese state-owned tabloid, stated: “We don’t need a real war to resolve the Taiwan question. The mainland can adopt various measures to make Taiwan ruled by the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) turn into a Lebanon situation which ‘Taiwan independence’ forces cannot afford.” Meaning: The Chinese government believes it can pit various ethnic, political and social groups in Taiwan against one another.

China can also be expected to exploit the soft underbelly of Taiwanese politics: patronage networks. Those are less important today than during Taiwan’s authoritarian days, but they continue to allow community leaders, farmers’ associations and even organized-crime figures to buy votes.

active on them, and traditional news outlets have been known to republish fake posts without fact-checking. According to Reuters, Chinese government agencies have paid Taiwanese news outlets to publish pro-Beijing content.

By some accounts, a disinformation campaign conducted by a professional cybergroup from China, which was traced back to the publicity department of the Chinese Communist Party, helped the pro-China Han Kuo-yu get elected mayor of the southern city of Kaohsiung: One (false) story claimed that during a debate, Mr. Han’s opponent wore an earpiece feeding him talking points. China is trying to erode Taiwan’s body politic from within.

But Taiwan is pushing back. Legislators have recently accelerated efforts to pass a law against foreign infiltration and political interference before the election. An adviser to a presidential candidate told me this summer in Taipei, “The question for voters this election is: Do you want a quick death or a slow one?” Is it, though? Despite Beijing’s efforts at sabotage, Taiwan’s democracy is proving well and truly alive

Well certainly the complete failure of China when dealing with Hong Kong is going to weigh heavily on their tactics with Taiwan. The HK election results were a monumental disaster. It negated 22 years of work of gently absorbing them into the mainland. They had popular support gaining and gaining over the years only to be upended in an instant.
 
Well certainly the complete failure of China when dealing with Hong Kong
China didn't do anything, actually she never did anything over Hong kong, so there's no failure or success to start with, Hong kong is hurting themselves, they are not stupid people, they'll get it soon and everything will be back to normal, it doesn't affect China as a whole the slightest.
 
Well certainly the complete failure of China when dealing with Hong Kong is going to weigh heavily on their tactics with Taiwan. The HK election results were a monumental disaster. It negated 22 years of work of gently absorbing them into the mainland. They had popular support gaining and gaining over the years only to be upended in an instant.

In my circle of colleagues, we used to call it brand china. Brand china is why these two- HK and Taiwan, won't assimilate.

Nobody aspires for brand china; nobody covets it, nobody says hey I want my country to adopt the Chinese dictatorship, or want the same rights as the Chinese, nobody aspires for Chinese brands like they do American. Look no further than PDF- so many of our detractors here have American flags. They curse at us but choose us as their country of residence to give them the best chance. It's soft power essentially. They don't have it, they can't win hearts of those two countries (I see them personally as standalone countries- HK and Taiwan)
 
Look no further than PDF- so many of our detractors here have American flags. They curse at us but choose us as their country of residence to give them the best chance. It's soft power essentially)
China just got this level of development for barely 5 years, and US and west have been there on the top for 2 hundred years, it takes time for this world to change but it's surely happening fast.

One funny new thing is that now the west and US start to increasingly brag their "soft power", what does it suggest and imply?
 
In my circle of colleagues, we used to call it brand china. Brand china is why these two- HK and Taiwan, won't assimilate.

Nobody aspires for brand china; nobody covets it, nobody says hey I want my country to adopt the Chinese dictatorship, or want the same rights as the Chinese, nobody aspires for Chinese brands like they do American. Look no further than PDF- so many of our detractors here have American flags. They curse at us but choose us as their country of residence to give them the best chance. It's soft power essentially. They don't have it, they can't win hearts of those two countries (I see them personally as standalone countries- HK and Taiwan)
Nothing to do with soft power but the power that gives u most money will attract the most people. US having the largest economy plus their friendly migrant policy makes people goes there.

China having one of the strictest migration policy makes near impossible for many foreigners to migrant here but China has a huge population and is not as desperate as US to attract migration.
 
In my circle of colleagues, we used to call it brand china. Brand china is why these two- HK and Taiwan, won't assimilate.

Nobody aspires for brand china; nobody covets it, nobody says hey I want my country to adopt the Chinese dictatorship, or want the same rights as the Chinese, nobody aspires for Chinese brands like they do American. Look no further than PDF- so many of our detractors here have American flags. They curse at us but choose us as their country of residence to give them the best chance. It's soft power essentially. They don't have it, they can't win hearts of those two countries (I see them personally as standalone countries- HK and Taiwan)

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinio...-crisis-may-have-already-sealed-tsai-ing-wens

How Hong Kong’s protest crisis may have already sealed Tsai Ing-wen’s victory in Taiwan’s presidential election
  • Hong Kong’s protests are seen as proof that ‘one country, two systems’ does not work, and Beijing’s authoritarian handling of the chaos is burnishing Tsai’s image as the defender of Taiwan’s democracy and independence
 
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