China has developed new generation powder that is 100x more powerful than TNT

[ahojunk]

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[sword1947]

Great discovery but we are not seeing any mainstream media highlighting this discovery. Is this discovery ready for commercial production or still in lebratory.

military only

 

[Majet Raha]

@faithfulguy look this guy is still bragging, show him your funny bone.

Anyways, we developed this kind of explosives wayyy back in 2010, just fyi.

 

[twocents]

Great discovery but we are not seeing any mainstream media highlighting this discovery. Is this discovery ready for commercial production or still in lebratory.

The Chinese news report says that it has more than three times the explosive power of TNT. In theory it is believed to possess 10 to 100 times the explosive power of TNT.

中国首次合成全氮阴离子盐：可造“干净”氢弹

日本科幻动漫《EVA》中曾经出现过一种干净无污染的超强核武器“N2爆弹”，而现在，中国科学家带来了将科幻变成现实的希望。

据报道，南京理工大学化工学院胡炳成教授团队近日成功合成全世界第一个全氮阴离子(N5-)盐，占领新一代超高能含能材料研究国际制高点。

相关研究论文27日发表在国际顶级期刊《科学》上，这也是我国在《科学》上发表的含能材料领域第一篇研究论文。

据南理工网站报道，全氮类超高含能材料(炸药)的能量可超过TNT的3倍，具备高密度、高能量、爆轰产物清洁无污染、稳定安全等特点，尤其是爆炸产物均为氮气，不会造成二次污染。

1772年，人类从大气中分离出来氮气N2。1890年，发现第一种全氮离子N3-。1956年，合成用于制备全氮离子的前驱体芳基五唑。1999年，美国空军研究实验室首次合成呈线状N5+阳离子，本意是取代有毒的肼类火箭燃料。

南理工这次成功合成出全氮阴离子盐是这一领域的突破性成果。他们创造性采用间氯过氧苯甲酸和甘氨酸亚铁分别作为切断试剂和助剂，通过氧化断裂的方式首次制备成功室温下稳定全氮阴离子盐。热分析结果显示这种盐分解温度高达116.8 ℃，具有非常好的热稳定性。

理论上，全氮类物质的能量水平可达10-100万焦耳/克级别，相当于TNT炸药的10-100倍，不仅可用于制造更大威力的炸药、发射药、推进剂，也有望用于制造不需核裂变起爆的“干净”氢弹。

巧合的是，漫画中对N2爆弹的解释是None Nuclear(抵制核武器)，而现实中全氮类物质爆炸的产物也是N2——氮气。

 

[XDescendantX]

Pakistan needs to rush this new TNT to the Eastern Border ASAP. This TNT should be upgraded to our 1st strike capabilities against the enemies Cold Start Doctrine and Nasr should be moved to a 2nd strike since it would release radiation.

 

[Title1234]

Pakistan needs to rush this new TNT to the Eastern Border ASAP. This TNT should be upgraded to our 1st strike capabilities against the enemies Cold Start Doctrine and Nasr should be moved to a 2nd strike since it would release radiation.

10^3. Equal to. 100. And. 10^5. Equal to 10,000. and100×100. equal to 10,000. It mean. 10^5. is. more than. 10^3. = 100. time

 

[sinait]

10^3. Equal to. 100. And. 10^5. Equal to 10,000. and100×100. equal to 10,000. It mean. 10^5. is. more than. 10^3. = 100. time

You left school for too long.
10^3=1000

 

[Yaseen1]

If it is true then world will forget us moab and russian foab

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

So grand Daddy bomb will be reality ?

 

[sinait]

So grand Daddy bomb will be reality ?

moab, foab, next will be gmoab. grandmother of all bomb and after that gfoab.

 

[cirr]

New developments

不知道大家是否还记得除夕夜的Science (Science, 2017, 355, 374-376)：南京理工大学胡炳成教授团队报道首个在室温下稳定的全氮阴离子（N5ˉ）盐PHAC[(N5)6(H3O)3(NH4)4Cl]的合成，标志着我国占领了新一代超高能含能材料研究的制高点。近日，胡炳成教授团队在该领域再次取得突破，在Angew. Chem. Int. Ed. (DOI:10.1002/anie.201701070)上报道了首个全氮阴离子（N5ˉ）金属盐Co(N5)2(H2O)4?4H2O的合成方法，论文标题：A Symmetric Co(N5)2(H2O)4?4H2O High-Nitrogen Compound Formed by Cobalt(II) Cation Trapping of aCyclo-N5ˉ anion(Angew. Chem. Int. Ed.2017, 56, 4512).

新型超高能含能材料是当今世界各军事强国争相发展的重点，也是未来国家核心军事能力和军事技术制高点的重要标志。全氮类物质因具有高密度、高生成焓、超高能量及爆轰产物清洁无污染（产物为N2）等优点而成为新一代超高能含能材料的典型代表（所谓的N2炸弹），受到世界各国的重视，全氮阴离子（N5ˉ）的合成是该领域目前重点研究的对象。针对全氮阴离子（N5ˉ）盐PHAC分子中含有大量的非含能离子、晶体密度较低等问题，胡炳成教授等开发了以金属钴离子（Co2+）在PHAC溶液中捕捉N5ˉ离子的方法，成功制得全氮阴离子（N5ˉ）金属盐。随着金属钴离子的引入，Co(N5)2(H2O)4?4H2O比PHAC在晶体密度和能量方面都有较大改善，具有较高的潜在应用价值，对于全氮类物质的合成和应用以及全氮含能材料的发展具有重要的科学意义。

本文从原理上来说极其简单，以稳定的全氮阴离子PHAC作为原料，与金属钴盐进行反应，通过氢键，离子键等相互作用得到了稳定的全氮阴离子金属盐。其中，Co2+以及H2O（包括结合水和游离水）对于整个分子的稳定都具有重要的作用。

相比于PHAC，Co(N5)2(H2O)4?4H2O具有更高的能量，能够产生更大的爆炸。好吧，这玩意真的是可以炸的，做TG-DSC的时候坩埚都会被炸开（作者还特意注明：TG-DSC实验中样品量不能超过0.5 mg，否则会损坏仪器！！）

Co(N5)2(H2O)4?4H2O的分解有两个阶段，第一个阶段50-145 C主要是结合水和N2分子的脱除，第二个阶段是Co(N3)2的爆炸！

 

[samsara]

I wish that China will do some real demonstration of this 'Grandmother / Grandfather of all bomb" to give the free world some idea of China's true firepower capability.

No need for such deadly Demonstration Effects as staged by the USA recently in its live testing fields in the caves of Afghan costing hundreds of cavemen lives there... just sufficient to do the demo at the quiet Taklamakan Desert or Gobi Desert furnished with some quality, revealing footage

 

[Danishwer]

Good quote

 

[Shajida Khan]

I pity the Chinese nationalists and military enthusiasts who go gaga over something without even understanding it and make some really weird claims about it. Let us see how :-

The Actual Research done by Zang et al.

No one bothered to read the actual research papers and tried to understand the real contribution of the group.
These papers are :-

1. http://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6323/374 (Paper 1)

In this paper the research group presented a salt of pentazolate ion in bulk which was surprisingly stable at 117 degree Celcius. Before this pentazolate ion was seen in spectrometry, solution and under extreme pressure (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentazole). This was the first time someone has prepared a salt which was not only stable at room temprature but also remarkably stable at higher temperature. The author mentioned that it has a potential for a high explosive component.

The remarkable feat in this research was not discovering a massively powerful explosive but stabilizing a theoretically extremely unstable molecule/ion.

Read the actual comments by their peer chemical engineers

http://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/14/pentazole-first-synthesis-one-unhappy-molecule-10854


2. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/anie.201701070/full (Paper 2)

In this paper the authors presented a Metal - Pentazolate complex which was stable at room temperature. It is one of the very few such molecule. The authors also studied its structure and thermal stability. No where in the paper the specific energy of explosive ( say X Joules / mg) was determined ( I will cover this a bit more later).

The remarkable feat in this research was a high nitrogen compound which is stable at room temperature. The author also determined it contained more energy than their previously discovered compound by DSC.

What Chinese Military Enthusiasts Claimed

10-100x higher than TNT explosive discovered by Chinese
Nothing of this sort is covered in these research papers. In fact these research papers do not even talk about specific energy of the molecules they have synthesized. All they have covered which is REMOTELY related to this is Thermal Analysis, namely TG-DSC analysis for which we have been given three graphs :-

From the Second Paper (for Cobalt complex of cyclo-N5 anion)

From the first paper (DTG DSC TG graph of (N5)6(H3O)3(NH4)4Cl )

All of these plots indicate the kind of decomposition the molecule goes. To actually calculate specific heat of decomposition in J/g, you will need to find the apparatus constant of the equipment by heating a known mass of indium or other sample and comparing the area under curve of that with values in literature. Then you can calculate the specific heat of decomposition by

Hdecom = Area under peak * Apparatus constant.

Now since we do not have access to the equipment nor we have apparatus constant given in these papers the claimed Specific Energy wrt TNT are just wild guesses with no relation to reality.

Further damning proof to this is the theoretical Energy density of N8 and Cubic Gauche Nitrogen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octaazacubane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_nitrogen#Cubic_gauche

Which are respectively 22.9 KJ / g and 33 KJ /g being 5 and 7.5 times more powerful compared to TNT. Out of these Cubic Gauche Nitrogen is though to be theoretically most energy dense non-nuclear material predicted. (http://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.1814074)

How come the molecules mentioned above are more energetic than that is still beyond me. It is noteworthy that original researcher (Zeng et al) never claimed this.

 

[Jlaw]

I wish that China will do some real demonstration of this 'Grandmother / Grandfather of all bomb" to give the free world some idea of China's true firepower capability.

No need for such deadly Demonstration Effects as staged by the USA recently in its live testing fields in the caves of Afghan costing hundreds of cavemen lives there... just sufficient to do the demo at the quiet Taklamakan Desert or Gobi Desert furnished with some quality, revealing footage

Not going to happen with this regime