China forces birth control on Uighurs to suppress population

[beijingwalker]

Western media doesn't use their heels to think that China has 1.4 billion people, why she needs to control the number of a few million Uighurs? the size of a population smaller than a third tier Chinese city.. are Chinese leaders are so dumb like trump?

 

[PeacefulWar]

LOL I never become a cheerleader of US, any Indonesian members here understand on how I reject the idea to buy F16 V that is so popular among Indonesian PDF members. I only recommend buying KFX/IFX and Indonesia need to wait buying fighter until KFX/IFX enter mass production inshaAllah.

Actually I dream a collaboration of Muslim nation coalition with Chinese and Russian since we dont have conflicting issue regarding Palestinian, but the collaboration and alliance cannot be made until OIC can send team to Xin Jiang with full access and without any CCP interfering to see what really happening on Uigyur there.

We cannot make an alliance with you if our brothers and sisters in Xin Jiang is being oppressed. If there is nothing happen there, why is China afraid of fact finding team from OIC ? It will be China interest to get the fact finding from OIC to get full access and independent inquiry if there is nothing wrong happen. The last fact finding team from Indonesia doesnt get full access and always being escorted by Chinese officials. Even the journalist cannot buy cigarette outside of hotel alone.

There is issue as well in SCS between Indonesia and China, but at least if Uigyur can live freely there, the relationship between Muslim Indonesian and China can be warmer than Today.

US is itself not as evil as many people believe, it helps Muslim in Bosnia and Kosovo from genocide made by Serbs. While European nation impose embargo that make Muslim nation cannot help Bosnian.

Dude, you are incredibly native on this.
China won't let any so called "fact finding team" to interfere China domestic issues. No matter it's CCP or Democracy Gov, it will never ever happen!
You can't just make up “1 million concentration camp” then send arbitrary team to do whatever you want.
No normal countries would ever allow any such things happen.

Has OIC ever send any "fact finding team" to any major powers? Did it send team to India? any?
It will never happen, you just don't have the rights and most importantly the power to do it.

 

[Indos]

Dude, you are incredibly native on this.
China won't let any so called "fact finding team" to interfere China domestic issues. No matter it's CCP or Democracy Gov, it will never ever happen!
You can't just make up “1 million concentration camp” then send arbitrary team to do whatever you want.
No normal countries would ever allow any such things happen.

Has OIC ever send any "fact finding team" to any major powers? Did it send team to India? any?
What makes you think China will give flying fk to it?

Actually China has let fact finding team from Indonesia to observe the camp and Xin Jiang. It shows China leadership understand the need to get closer to the Muslim world. But the access is not fully opened and there are many limitation.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Indonesia and Malaysia see Rohingya as their brother. As simple as like that.

Hahaha Nice joke. That's why Malaysians are kicking out Rohingyas from their country.

 

[PeacefulWar]

Actually China has let fact finding team from Indonesia to observe the camp and Xin Jiang. It shows China leadership understand the need to get closer to the Muslim world. But the access is not fully opened and there are many limitation.

The Chinese leaders are always want to be friend with Muslim countries.
But that's pretty much the maximum they will allow happen.

Actually China has let fact finding team from Indonesia to observe the camp and Xin Jiang. It shows China leadership understand the need to get closer to the Muslim world. But the access is not fully opened and there are many limitation.

One thing I do agree that it should be open for all tourists.
Currently only Chinese citizen have full freedom to travel in XJ without limits.
But hey that's the damn CCP style, and this damn style does not only apply to XJ.
If you really curious and try to find some facts from CCP propaganda and anti-China propaganda, you can try to watch some travel vlogs, you don't have to buy all the story they said since someone will always accuse them as CCP bots, but you at least can observe people's act and looks on street when camera capture them without attentions. E.g. this one: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRc63ZkXuzAWGzaJVEe_hxA

And that's how I tried to find truth among all BS stuff. Only really behaviors without staging on street don't lie!

 

[Indos]

Hahaha Nice joke. That's why Malaysians are kicking out Rohingyas from their country.

Malaysia have already put many Rohingya to live in their country and have hostile attitude toward Myanmar during Najib rule.

You are the joke here who betray your own ethnic (Rohingya) as it is close to Bangladeshi and also your country interest and instead have favorable view toward Myanmar since you share similar religion with them.

 

[Amaa'n]

thread locked fir now till i clear the pending reports

 

[Mista]

附：中国最近几次人口普查的数据（约数）

• 1949年新生儿 汉人98% 少民2% .......
• 1980年新生儿 汉人96% 少民4% ......
• 2000年新生儿 汉人58% 少民42% ......
• 2010年新生儿 汉人46% 少民54%......

How accurate is this? Han makes up like 90% of China's population. To have almost equal births would imply that ethnic minorities have 10x the birth rate of Han.

Dangerous development if true.

 

[beijingwalker]

How accurate is this? Han makes up like 90% of China's population. To have almost equal births would imply that ethnic minorities have 10x the birth rate of Han.

Dangerous development if true.

One child policy, which only applied to Han families, minorities are exempt from it. Stupid policy.

 

[zectech]

For years on this site, I have been critical of Beijing of forcing a 1 child policy, changed to a 2 child policy. That they were harming their own citizens. Why does everybody only care about the minorities. The majority had to live under these oppressive unnatural dictates. The Han Chinese were suffering for decades and the West was complicit for not calling an end to the birth control on the Han to suppress population. That this policy coincided with the opening of trade and China's rise in global economy (along with the silence by the West), makes me think Westerners wanted China to control their births, as part of the agreement for robust trade. That China must sacrifice her children for trade to commence. Westerners promoting zero population growth wanted China to have zero population growth and reduced births. This is their policy.

Now this is up to Westerners of good will to demand the ending of this and allow the Han Chinese to have as many children as they want. 40 years of this nonsense is well past its expiration date.

For those who don't care about the Han Chinese, have the minorities in China have 40 years of nonsense, see how they like it, or ship this policy to Africa. The Han have suffered enough of Western demands for alarm about over population. China is at this rate projected to decrease by 400 million in total population in 80 years. China is modern, and families are modern, they already are going to limit the number of kids, if they want large families, that is ok. The West should demand the whole policy to end. If they focus only on minorities, it implicates them that they have supported the 1 child policy to hurt the Han Chinese for 4 decades. These bigots should have no say when China applies the 2 child policy to everybody else. My guess that the West supported this 1 child policy on the Han Chinese for 40 years is supported that these racists want it to continue for the Han and only care about minorities.

 

[Mista]

One child policy, which only applied to Han families, minorities are exempt from it. Stupid policy.

It's a stupid policy indeed. I've read stories (probably a decade ago) of Han woman getting pulled for forced abortion by local officials, while ethnic minorities can have like 9 kids and receive welfare payment.

But that has been done. I'm more concerned of the future where the Han majority still have so little kids even without birth control policies. In any case, any birth control policies for the Han should be abolished immediately.

while ethnic minorities can have like 9 kids and receive welfare payment.

Outrage in China as ethnic minority having 9 kids and receiving welfare payment of 4k Yuan per month (higher than the average income in China), while Han majority have to go for abortion after 2 kids. The guy is still planning for a 10th kid. Why not? More welfare payment, because he's an ethnic minority.

https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=#官方回应90后夫妻住深山生9娃#&from=default

 

[S10]

I think One Child Policy had its time and place, but it was sustained for way too long. It should have been dropped or relaxed by late 1990's, instead of 2016. Now China has a major problem with aging population not to mention gender imbalance.

What's more infuriating was that the policy largely exempted ethnic minorities. It was applied unfairly, leading to drop in the percentage of Han from 95% to 89%. I guess now they are finally going to apply the law equally across China. Uyghurs have the highest birth rate in all ethnic groups, so naturally they would get more contraceptives to curb population growth.

 

[Mista]

I guess now they are finally going to apply the law equally across China.

I think they should just remove the policy altogether and encourage more births, instead of slowly phasing out.

But well, I guess there's policy inertia even in China with a powerful government.

 

[beijingwalker]

The problem now is even without one child policy, birth rate in China is still dropping, this is the single biggest threat to the country's future.

 

[S10]

I think they should just remove the policy altogether and encourage more births, instead of slowly phasing out.

But well, I guess there's policy inertia even in China with a powerful government.

It's pretty much dead at this point, but the negative impact will be felt for decades to come. Good thing about a strong central government is that they're able to carry out long term strategies lasting decades. Bad thing about it is that there is a lot of momentum carrying forward even if the policy is no longer suitable. In this case, One Child Policy was applied for 15 years too long.

It's a pattern in Chinese history. What worked in the past often do not work well in the present.

The problem now is even without one child policy, birth rate in China is still dropping, this is the single biggest threat to the country's future.

Another looming threat is the real estate market. It's getting to the point of being ridiculous. High housing prices are driving down Chinese consumers' purchasing power, hurting other sectors of the economy. People are literally using real estate as commodities and savings. China needs to introduce a national housing strategy with public housing as primary option.

We're following the HK model. It's a ticking timed bomb.