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Chinese products are WASTE of the WORLD.

China's economic productivity is not balance with its efficiency. Their goal is to produce bulk of products as fast as they can without considering the quality of their materials. That's why China’s products are "garbage-quality". It maybe only good for people who could not afford the expensive Japanese, Korean, American, or European made brands but if you are wise enough to figure out if its' worth investing with those garbage Chinese products you must think twice.
 
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INVESTMENT BANKING | Staff Reporter, China Published: 04 Oct 13

Standard & Poor’s Ratings Services yesterday warned of a threat to Asia’s financial stability from a credit and debt bubble in China. It said China’s slower economic growth could trigger a surge in bad loans and fuel a further expansion of the shadow banking sector the government has failed to control.

“A regional banking crisis isn’t out of the question,” S&P said.

S&P’s is concerned largely with shadow banking, or the off-balance sheet lending by China’s banks that is unmonitored by regulators.

S&P said “ . . . years of very rapid credit expansion on- and off-balance-sheet, along with a strong increase in housing prices, is set to backfire on banks’ asset quality, profitability, and possibly liquidity.”

S&P, however, acknowledges that Beijing would bail out the finance sector in an emergency.

The ratings firm also sees significant risks in India, where lenders face massive threats from poor economic growth, a sliding rupee and spiking interest rates. S&P said this negative combination likely means an increase in NPLs or non-performing loans.

S&P says China will trigger new Asian banking crisis | Asian Banking & Finance
 
NO american company really understand the underline mechanism of Chinese economy.

Despite those banks and shadow banks etc, China is a socialist country ruled by a communist party.
So forget about those predictions, cos the theories they used only fit for western countries.
 
NO american company really understand the underline mechanism of Chinese economy.

Despite those banks and shadow banks etc, China is a socialist country ruled by a communist party.
So forget about those predictions, cos the theories they used only fit for western countries.

Shadow banking has a huge impact to China economy more than most people in China believe.

State-owned bank don't lend money to private sector widely, it's the shadow banking do it all the time ever since the beginning of the Deng's reform.

Financial sector is always huge. Financial sector hold a big chuck in US GPD and other developed countries. If China's shadow banking and underground economy included in China's GDP calculation, China economy will be larger than US today. In PPP term, it even far larger than US economy.
 
Just google credit bubble and shadow banking of China. You can not believe what you will read. Chinese economy is total bluff.:closed:
 
lol what do people think will happen when China falls?

China is so big right now, if we fall, we will crush any momentum that the Americans have and drag the rest of the world down to hell with us.

So you better push us forward, unless.....
 
lol what do people think will happen when China falls?

China is so big right now, if we fall, we will crush any momentum that the Americans have and drag the rest of the world down to hell with us.

So you better push us forward, unless.....

So anti-China racists who curse China are actually cursing themselves because anything bad happens to China effects them too. LOL
 
Is Chinese Money Good?

In the larger scheme of things there are today two countries that have the capability and the capacity to funnel substantial investments into foreign markets. One is the United States – the traditional home of large multinational companies with global footprint. The other is China, which is looked at with suspicion not only in India, but in the United States as well.

At a time when India needs to attract higher foreign investments – not only to bridge its gaping current account deficit, but to also create millions of new jobs – there is a need to look at Chinese companies differently than we have in the past. And we can learn lessons from the Americans, who worry about China’s rise as much as we do.

The first lesson is to be pragmatic. The second is to find a right balance between politics and business despite the usual noise that tends to drown reason to accommodate the interests of both sides.

Last year, two Chinese technology companies – Huawei and ZTE – were hauled over the coal by the intelligence committee of the U.S. House of Representatives after concerns over national security threats. “Chinese telecommunications companies provide an opportunity for the Chinese government to tamper with the United States telecommunications supply chain,” the committee’s investigation report said.

It recommended that the United States should view with suspicion the continued penetration of the US telecommunications market by Chinese telecommunications equipment manufacturers and private companies should consider the long-term security risks associated with doing business with these Chinese companies. Of course, the two companies protested loudly as anybody would, but the report is now a permanent marker in US-China relations.

However, Americans turned out to be eventually pragmatic. They have not only allowed Chinese companies to invest in the key energy sector, last month the largest acquisition of an American company by a Chinese firms went through without serious hiccups.

There was cause of celebrations when shareholders of the US Smithfield Foods Inc. agreed to sell their company to China’s Shuanghui International Holdings Ltd for $4.7 billion. The deal went through despite initial concerns over national security.

Let’s return to India. The same telecommunications companies that got hammered in the United States have also been under the government microscope for some time. Every Chinese company looking to invest in India quickly becomes a victim of a 50-year-old narrative when India and China went to war over a border issue. Since the issue remains unresolved, the mindset demands that everything China and Chinese needs to be looked at suspiciously.

If for a moment we do agree that Chinese companies have sinister plans to destabilize India, we need to look West – towards Europe, Africa and both North and South America where cash-flushed Chinese state-owned and private firms have been on a business buying spree for some years now. While the big focus was energy earlier, the trend has changed as different businesses (going cheap everywhere post the 2008 financial crisis) are being eyed and bought.

Given that most American companies have virtually given up on India and are keener to invest in their domestic economy that is beginning to finally expand, the only source of investment that India could possibly look at is China. However, it has to be pragmatic and balanced in attracting the kind of investments it wants and in sectors where the threat factor is low. Let’s not forget that the eventual plan of the two countries is to raise bilateral trade to $100 billion in the next few years, and that opens up several possibilities for Chinese investments in sectors that are safer from a “national security” point of view.

While geopolitics will always continue to play a strong role in India-China relations, let’s also understand and appreciate that the two need each other – for different reasons of course. While it is in India’s interest to bridge its trade deficit with China, it is also in China’s interest to get a toehold in the Indian market at a time when its exports to the West are shrinking and its overall economy beginning to slow down.

Similarly, it is in the interest of Chinese companies to overtake Japanese and South Korean brands that have made India a strong home in the last two-odd decades. For India, which is now talking of allowing Chinese companies to set up shop in special economic zones (than let them run around freely in the countryside), the focus should be on getting the best deal for the government and the people.

National security, like everything else, is relative to the situation on ground at a certain period in time. India needs to handle matters with China confidently and keeping its interests in mind.

Let’s go back to the Americans again. Back in 1971, President Richard Nixon and his right hand man Hendry Kissinger set the ball rolling to bring China into the global economic mainstream. The reason was geopolitical, For three decades after that American companies poured in billions of dollars into that country, bringing it to a point that now Americans themselves have started looking at China as an emerging global power that could overtake the United States in the near future.

The threat of China to the superpower is as real as it to a regional power such as India, which also happens to share a troublesome border issue with the large neighbor. Good business always makes for good politics and, therefore, it is in the interest of bother India and China to ramp up investments.

India doesn’t have to entirely follow the American way, but it can surely learn how to deal better with the Chinese by letting them in in a manner that helps New Delhi resolve its economic troubles.
 
SAIC to export vans to Thailand

Updated: 2013-10-08 13:31 ( Xinhua)

SAIC to export vans to Thailand
SAIC to export vans to ThailandUpdated: 2013-10-08 13:31 ( Xinhua)


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SAIC Motor Corp plans to sell right-hand-drive models of its Maxus-brand van in Thailand next year, according to Thai media.

The first model to hit the Thai market will be SAIC's Maxus Datong V80, a 16-seat van powered by a 2.5-liter diesel engine, the Bangkok Post reported.

The van will be imported by SAIC Motor-CP Co, SAIC's joint venture in Thailand with Thai conglomerate Charoen Pokphand Group.

The joint venture plans to sell 1,000 vans in the first year and 1,800 units annually in two or three years, according to the Bangkok Post.

The Maxus Datong V80 was developed on a platform that SAIC purchased in 2009 from LDV Group, a bankrupt United Kingdom commercial vehicle maker. It is built in SAIC's assembly plant in Wuxi in east China's Jiangsu province.

The SAIC Motor-CP joint venture also plans to assemble the right-hand-drive Maxus Datong at a plant in Rayong, Thailand, and export the locally built van to Indonesia, Malaysia, Australia and New Zealand, the newspaper reported.

To date, SAIC has sold the van in China and a number of other countries including Australia, Malaysia, Myanmar and South Africa.

As SAIC Motor-CP moves ahead with its import plans, the partnership also expects to open a new assembly plant in the Thai city of Rayong in two years.

The plant, which will build up to 200,000 vehicles a year, will mainly produce SAIC's MG cars.

General Motors, which has a joint venture with SAIC in China, also has an assembly plant in Rayong.
 
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Great Wall to expand its Hebei plant

Updated: 2013-10-08 13:17 ( Xinhua)

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Great Wall Motor Co, China's largest SUV maker, plans to invest 2.6 billion yuan ($426 million) on the second phase of its SUV plant in Xushui of North China's Hebei province.

The project will cover 250,000 square meters and is scheduled to be completed within two years, Great Wall said.
Additional information on the project has yet to be disclosed.

The plant, located in Xushui of North China's Hebei province, will produce premium SUVs such as the Haval H8, according to Great Wall.

Aside from the Xushui plant, Great Wall has three plants -- two in Baoding of Hebei province and one in the North China port city of Tianjin.

The plants produce up to 800,000 vehicles a year, according to Great Wall.

In the first half of this year, Great Wall sold 370,301 vehicles, up 41 percent year-on-year.
 
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Just google credit bubble and shadow banking of China. You can not believe what you will read. Chinese economy is total bluff.:closed:

Can you explain who or what these "shadow bankers" are in China? I hear Western media use that term all the time but never elaborate. I think they are full of ****
 
Dalian Locomotive wins contract from KiwiRail


Updated: 2013-10-08 17:37 By Liu Ce in Shenyang ( chinadaily.com.cn)

Dalian Locomotive wins contract from KiwiRail |Industries |chinadaily.com.cn

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Dalian Locomotive, a subsidiary of the China North Locomotive and Rolling Corp, has won a contract to supply a further eight Class DL diesel locomotives to KiwiRail of New Zealand, taking its total exports to the country to 48, according to CNR Dalian.
CNR Dalian has also signed a maintenance contract to support the DL fleet, which is China's first deal of offering maintenance services beyond manufacturing to developed country.

According to the contract, the eight locomotives will be delivered by the end of 2014.

KiwiRail ordered an initial 20 Class DL locomotives in September 2009, in what was CNR's first order to supply diesel locomotives to a western country.

A second batch of 20 ordered in June 2011 incorporated modifications based on experience from the introduction of the first locomotives, and as a result have been commissioned very quickly and are already performing well in full service, according to KiwiRail.
 
Taipei Taxi Association Places Orders for 1,500+ BYD Electric Cars
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Taipei Taxi Association Places Orders for 1,500+ BYD Electric Cars - EVWORLD.COM

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Deliveries of BYD e6 electric taxis scheduled to begin in the first quarter of 2014.

Taipei, (CNA) Electric cars developed by China-based BYD Auto will make their debut in Taiwan early next year, the vehicle's local distributor announced Wednesday.

BYD Taiwan, a joint venture of BYD Hong Kong and Taiwan Solar Energy Co., said it has received orders from a local taxi association for more than 1,500 e6 cars, with delivery scheduled to begin in the first quarter of 2014.

The company said it has commissioned a local automaker to assemble the first BYD e6 vehicles to be sold in Taiwan to speed up regulatory inspections and approvals.
 
Dongfeng mulls 30% stake in PSA Peugeot

Updated: 2013-10-09 07:41 By Li Fangfang ( China Daily

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Dongfeng Motor Corp - China's second-largest automaker - may become PSA Peugeot Citroen's top shareholder if Dongfeng's plans to buy a 30 percent stake in the French company via a 10 billion yuan ($1.63 billion) direct investment come to fruition.

China Business News, reported on Tuesday that insiders from Dongfeng had confirmed that the company was in talks with the struggling French automaker to acquire a 30 percent stake.

The report quoted an anonymous insider as saying that the discussion was still in an initial stage, with many uncertainties in the future.

Zhou Mi, a spokesman for Dongfeng, declined to comment on Tuesday, while an official from PSA Peugeot Citroen China's public relations department told China Daily that they are still waiting for feedback from headquarters.

"This is a good opportunity and the right time for Chinese automakers to invest in their counterparts in Europe," said Zhong Shi, an independent auto analyst based in Beijing. "The price tag of ailing PSA won't be too high due to the stagnant economy in Europe."

Affected by the eurozone debt crisis, PSA - the second-biggest European automaker - reported a net loss of 5 billion euros ($6.78 billion) in 2012, while its global sales dropped 17.5 percent in the past three years.

After an operating loss of 1.5 billion euros in its car-making division in 2012 and plans to close a plant in France in 2014 with an 11,200-employee layoff, the company may be considering selling the stake to support its depleted financial status.

"Why can't Dongfeng purchase the stake in PSA, after we saw Geely's successful acquisition of Volvo in 2010?" said Du Fangci, an official with the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers.

"This would be a win-win deal as PSA needs capital investment while Dongfeng requires world-leading technology to strengthen its self-developed vehicles," said Du.

"The French government will always support PSA, one of the largest companies in the country, so an investment in PSA wouldn't bring any huge risks to Dongfeng," added Zhong.

Furthermore, Zhong said that if Dongfeng becomes a major shareholder in its partner PSA, the Chinese company could see a more stable future for its joint venture, Dongfeng Peugeot Citroen Automobile Co Ltd, in the long run, and more importantly, would have more influence in the joint venture.

Even though PSA saw its sales and revenue drop globally, its sales in China, through the joint venture with Dongfeng, rose 32.7 percent in the first half of the year, contributing 30.7 billion yuan in revenue to the French company.

Starting in May, China became PSA's largest market globally.

"We hope that if the stake takeover deal gets done, Dongfeng can benefit from PSA for its self-developed branded products, and make their joint venture more competitive," said Zhong.

"And we're glad to see that Chinese automakers are now becoming stronger and more powerful in the global automotive market, as they're starting to change their roles from partners to investors in international automakers," Zhong added.
 
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Lenovo tops PC makers despite China sales decline


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Updated: 2013-10-10 15:18 ( Agencies)


The world's lightest and among the thinnest - ThinkPad X1 Carbon Ultrabook

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Lenovo Group held on to its position as the world's No 1 personal computer maker in the latest quarter despite a drastic dip in its core Chinese market, Reuters reported, citing figures published by tech research firm Gartner on Wednesday.

Overall, the latest numbers showed an 8.6 percent decline in PC sales in the third quarter, confirming a worldwide trend towards tablets that has benefited Apple Inc and Google Inc but hurt traditional PC stalwarts Microsoft Corp and Intel Corp.

Worldwide PC shipments totaled 80.3 million in the latest three month period, the lowest level since 2008, Gartner said, despite the 'back to school' season when sales traditionally spike.

Europe, Middle East and Africa was the worst hit region, with a 13.7 percent decline in PC sales, followed by Asia Pacific with an 11.2 percent decline. The US market increased 3.5 percent, helped by low inventories being re-stocked and the popularity of models featuring the latest Intel chips, Gartner said.

"Consumers' shift from PCs to tablets for daily content consumption continued to decrease the installed base of PCs both in mature as well as in emerging markets," said Mikako Kitagawa, principal analyst at Gartner. "A greater availability of inexpensive Android tablets attracted first-time consumers in emerging markets, and as supplementary devices in mature markets."

Strong sales in the United States and Europe helped Chinese PC maker Lenovo hold onto the top spot among manufacturers, offsetting the decline in Asia.

Lenovo's overall shipments rose 2.8 percent over a year ago to give the company a 17.6 percent share of the global market.

Former No 1 Hewlett-Packard Co, which is being remodeled by Chief Executive Meg Whitman, posted a 1.5 percent growth in shipments for a 17.1 percent global market share. It was HP's first positive shipment growth figure since the first quarter of 2012. Whitman said on Wednesday that she expected to stabilize revenues next year as she continues her work to reverse the company's fortunes
 
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