China Distorts History Ahead of World War II Commemoration

[大汉奸柳传志]

If anyone is distorting history, it's the United States by claiming they defeated the Nazis. What an absolute joke. US contributed NOTHING to defeating the Nazis. NOTHING. The Soviet Union defeated the Nazis. Once 95% of the Nazi military machine was destroyed by the Soviets, the Americans come in and claim victory. What an absolute joke.

This is so true. Being the sole superpower comes with many benefits and one of them is that you can push your own narrative and the whole world will buy it，if China is going to be that powerful one day，it can also create a false sense of history to make people believe that China defeated Japan in WW2 single-handedly.

For this reason the movie poster is NOT a bad idea at all，the Central Kingdom‘s narrative is slowly getting restored and one day the doubters will turn into believers.

Interesting times ahead!

 

[Taygibay]

American contribution to defeating Nazi Germany is less than 5% and even that is giving too much credit to the actual American contribution.

That requires a small addendum note :

The military production by America of all the planes, ships and other weapons needed
to fight the world's strongest armed forces at the time by a mile took 3-4 years only.
Every plant or almost was converted for the purpose and output was multiplied by 100.
Women took over for the men going to war & the railway system was at work almost 24/7.

In fact, that war effort was a feat equivalent to what happened to China's industrial output
since 1976-78 to today … except that it occurred in 4 years and not 4 decades?

Wars are not won solely by foot soldiers threading along marshes, forests and barren hills;
victory is often decided by the will of the people.

"The strength of a nation resides not in its walls and its vessels but in the character of its citizens."
Thucydides, Athenian general, in History of the Peleponnesian War, 431-400(approx.) BC

Good day all, Tay.

P.S. And this is worth for so many discussions in so many threads :
If you diminish your "opponent's" effort to 5 %, doesn't that cut any claim of your vanquishing them
… by the same margin? Propaganda only works in-house regardless of who's house is concerned.

Just Sayin'

 

[mike2000 is back]

It was the PLA that defeated the Japanese invasion. Not the KMT. KMT was not interested in defeating Japan, it was more interested in defeating the PLA. This was why Japan did so much damage to China. The heaviest defeats inflicted on the Japanese military was in areas controlled by the PLA. The PLA resisted fiercely which made Japan send even more troops which helped KMT troops to regroup. The easiest victories by the Japanese were on the KMT troops. Anyone that don't understand this basic fact clearly don't understand history.

If CPC was in charge of China during the Japanese invasion, Japan would never have gotten as far into China as they did for as long as they did. It was due to the sheer incompetence of the KMT that China suffered as much as it did. PLA just dismantled the KMT military after dealing with the Japanese invasion.

It was the PLA that kicked out the US military and its allies out of North Korea despite the US having overwhelming military advantage. Any other military would have been easily defeated and surrendered to the Americans and its allies. US military was at the China-North Korea border when PLA decided to enter the war as China thought the next step for the US was an invasion of China. China joined the war, not to protect North Korea, but to protect China. After PLA joined the war, the US military went from being at the China-North Korea border to being kicked all the way back to the North Korea-South Korea border. The PLA did that.

It was the PLA that dismantled the spine of the Indian military in 1962 and gave India its worst and most humiliating military spanking since it got independence. To this very day, Indian military is petrified of the PLA. The psychological scars still affect every Indian to this day. The PLA did that.

It was the PLA that pushed back against the Soviet Union in the border war. Any other military would have easily lost to the Soviet military machine considering the overwhelming advantage the Soviet military had.

All these were done in Mao's time. Mao was one of the greatest military leaders in history. Considering the limited resources he had at his disposal and the fact that he had to fight against the Japanese, US and Soviet militaries at their best and China at its weakest and come out well shows what a great military leader Mao was and what a brilliant force the PLA is. Any other military fighting against these 3 militaries would end up like what happened to Iraq.

If anyone is distorting history, it's the United States by claiming they defeated the Nazis. What an absolute joke. US contributed NOTHING to defeating the Nazis. NOTHING. The Soviet Union defeated the Nazis. Once 95% of the Nazi military machine was destroyed by the Soviets, the Americans come in and claim victory. What an absolute joke.

Typical Anglo-Saxon propaganda machine at work.

 

[Jlaw]

which ended with Chiang fleeing to Formosa (Taiwan).

Which meant Chiang lost. Some people have a strange way of declaring victory. Take Vietnam. They claim to have won 1979 brief war with China but lost some territory.

 

[xesy]

Which meant Chiang lost. Some people have a strange way of declaring victory. Take Vietnam. They claim to have won 1979 brief war with China but lost some territory.

You do know that the skirmish continued till 1989, right? And how come suddenly this relates to VN. Try to defend your own distortion first.

 

[Aepsilons]

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

It is not Japan who distort history most, it is CPC.

Actually I have no time and but I tried in occasions I want to balance views.

For example, after many research, I concluded MOST comfy women are volunteers and got paid very handsomely. There are isolated cases of coercion and rape.

I hope PDF forumers here aware that PDF PRC are a little unique and nationalistic. The PRC Chinese forums are more normal and they are way more diverse and like truth.

华夏出狄夷者，狄夷之! 古人诚不我欺也!

 

[gambit]

LOL don't make me laugh. American contribution to defeating Nazi Germany is less than 5% and even that is giving too much credit to the actual American contribution.

American schools brainwash kids to believe the US beat Nazi Germany. That's not beyond propaganda, that's the most disgusting form of filth. Propaganda is not a strong enough term.

What make you think we are trying to make you laugh ? For the above post, such a precise figure made us laugh -- at you.

 

[Aepsilons]

It is not Japan who distort history most, it is CPC.

Actually I have no time and but I tried in occasions I want to balance views.

For example, after many research, I concluded MOST comfy women are volunteers and got paid very handsomely. There are isolated cases of coercion and rape.

I hope PDF forumers here aware that PDF PRC are a little unique and nationalistic. The PRC Chinese forums are more normal and they are way more diverse and like truth.

Historically, East Asian Armies, throughout documented history, were always followed by women who were under the employ to cater to the needs of the men. And they were handsomely reimbursed for this. The armies of China (Tang, Song, Ming, Han, Qing, Yuan) the armies of Korea (Chosen) as well as those of Japan -- carried this practice throughout regional warfare.

The only reason why comfort women were so highly employed by the Imperial Army was because of the size of the Imperial Army. Remember that at its height, the Imperial Army had a total strength of 6.1 Million , so, you can only imagine the sexual needs of the Imperial Army, which is a natural issue. We can suppose that the employment of at least 300,000 - 500,000 women to cater to the needs of some 6.1 million Imperial Army troops wouldn't be beyond reality.

This is just the Imperial Army. This does not include the Imperial Navy and the Imperial Air Service. The Imperial Navy, in its height, had over 1.7 million and the Imperial Air Service had at least 1 million.

Combined -- we're looking at some 9 million soldiers in the Imperial Japanese Armed Forces. That's a substantial number of men. A caravan of women would be needed to satisfy the needs of 9 million Japanese warriors.

What make you think we are trying to make you laugh ? For the above post, such a precise figure made us laugh -- at you.

Agreed. lol.

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

Historically, East Asian Armies, throughout documented history, were always followed by women who were under the employ to cater to the needs of the men. And they were handsomely reimbursed for this. The armies of China (Tang, Song, Ming, Han, Qing, Yuan) the armies of Korea (Chosen) as well as those of Japan -- carried this practice throughout regional warfare.

The only reason why comfort women were so highly employed by the Imperial Army was because of the size of the Imperial Army. Remember that at its height, the Imperial Army had a total strength of 6.1 Million , so, you can only imagine the sexual needs of the Imperial Army, which is a natural issue. We can suppose that the employment of at least 300,000 - 500,000 women to cater to the needs of some 6.1 million Imperial Army troops wouldn't be beyond reality.

This is just the Imperial Army. This does not include the Imperial Navy and the Imperial Air Service. The Imperial Navy, in its height, had over 1.7 million and the Imperial Air Service had at least 1 million.

Combined -- we're looking at some 9 million soldiers in the Imperial Japanese Armed Forces. That's a substantial number of men. A caravan of women would be needed to satisfy the needs of 9 million Japanese warriors.
Agreed. lol.

What a shameless nonsense. Dont compare our normal people with your brutal Japanese.

 

[EAsian]

It is not Japan who distort history most, it is CPC.

Actually I have no time and but I tried in occasions I want to balance views.

For example, after many research, I concluded MOST comfy women are volunteers and got paid very handsomely. There are isolated cases of coercion and rape.

I hope PDF forumers here aware that PDF PRC are a little unique and nationalistic. The PRC Chinese forums are more normal and they are way more diverse and like truth.

You look like those Taiwan students who insist their grandma was volunteered to become a whore that work for enemy and refuse to admit they are forced.Even coward taiwanese government see them as disgrace.but that's OK for me，cuz I don't give a fvck about what you coward thinks.Some southern people，Same coward self hatred，No self respect at all.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Historically, East Asian Armies, throughout documented history, were always followed by women who were under the employ to cater to the needs of the men. And they were handsomely reimbursed for this. The armies of China (Tang, Song, Ming, Han, Qing, Yuan) the armies of Korea (Chosen) as well as those of Japan -- carried this practice throughout regional warfare.

The only reason why comfort women were so highly employed by the Imperial Army was because of the size of the Imperial Army. Remember that at its height, the Imperial Army had a total strength of 6.1 Million , so, you can only imagine the sexual needs of the Imperial Army, which is a natural issue. We can suppose that the employment of at least 300,000 - 500,000 women to cater to the needs of some 6.1 million Imperial Army troops wouldn't be beyond reality.

This is just the Imperial Army. This does not include the Imperial Navy and the Imperial Air Service. The Imperial Navy, in its height, had over 1.7 million and the Imperial Air Service had at least 1 million.

Combined -- we're looking at some 9 million soldiers in the Imperial Japanese Armed Forces. That's a substantial number of men. A caravan of women would be needed to satisfy the needs of 9 million Japanese warriors.



Agreed. lol.

The USA and French Army even today employed military prostitute by means of privatization and clever euphemism. During Vietnam War, USA soldiers are given leave for every minimum 2 weeks (can be more) in combat and these yankee visited whore house in Vietnam and Thailand.

Today fighting in Islamo countries pose some challenges as women got caught fcuking the white devils will be stone till death, including prostitute.

So in reality, today female soldiers in white man military is military prostitute.

The soldiers fcuk one another and all complaints of rape and sexual harassment or thrown out (these female soldiers serving combat duties should already been tacitly briefed about their roles and yet they feign victim).

 

[EAsian]

I just don't understand why someone insist their grandma is a whore.They don't respect themselves，do they？

 

[Aepsilons]

You look like those Taiwan students who insist their grandma was volunteered to become a whore that work for enemy and refuse to admit they are forced.Even coward taiwanese government see them as disgrace.but that's OK for me，cuz I
don't give a fvck about what you coward thinks.Some southern people，Same coward self hatred，No self respect at all.

Why is that reality considered 'shameful' when it was a political and historical reality? Taiwan was a Japanese Colony and the Taiwanese Volunteers into the Imperial Japanese Army numbered over 245,000. Do you understand that Taiwanese Officers were also inducted into the Imperial Guards' Division(s)? As for Taiwanese women volunteering into the Japanese Army's Auxiliary Corp(s), that's just a reality.

This is just the reality in regards to Korean and Taiwanese recruits into the Imperial Army:

• Taiwanese volunteers and recruits numbered over 245,000
  
  • Taiwanese soldiers in the Imperial Army were in Shock Forces
    
    • Imperial Guards Divisions
    • 18th Army Heavy Infantry Batallions
    • Imperial Army Airborne Paratrooper Brigades
• Korean volunteers and conscripts were largely kept for prisoner camp guards
  • Korean conscripts , mostly, were not as aggressive as Taiwanese soldiers
  • Taiwanese soldiers in the Imperial Army were "Fanatical"

I just don't understand why someone insist their grandma is a whore.They don't respect themselves，do they？

They're not insisting the grandmother was involuntarily impressed to service, the grandmother volunteered.

In those times, such a sacrifice to increase the morale of the soldiers was considered an honor , and part of the duty of the Subject of the Emperor.

You have to look at it in the context of the times.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Why is that reality considered 'shameful' when it was a political and historical reality? Taiwan was a Japanese Colony and the Taiwanese Volunteers into the Imperial Japanese Army numbered over 245,000. Do you understand that Taiwanese Officers were also inducted into the Imperial Guards' Division(s)? As for Taiwanese women volunteering into the Japanese Army's Auxiliary Corp(s), that's just a reality.

This is just the reality in regards to Korean and Taiwanese recruits into the Imperial Army:

• Taiwanese volunteers and recruits numbered over 245,000
  • Taiwanese soldiers in the Imperial Army were in Shock Forces
    • Imperial Guards Divisions
    • 18th Army Heavy Infantry Batallions
    • Imperial Army Airborne Paratrooper Brigades
• Korean volunteers and conscripts were largely kept for prisoner camp guards
  • Korean conscripts , mostly, were not as aggressive as Taiwanese soldiers
  • Taiwanese soldiers in the Imperial Army were "Fanatical"

Comfort Women was paid 60x the salary of nurse and Japan Army provide education to Comfort Women in occasions. Given that among of salary, I think 30% of women today will choose Comfort women career path.

Comfort Women is like investment banking job.

And Japanese Imperial Army did have some humane side.

The Comfort Women: Sexual Violence and Postcolonial Memory in Korea and Japan - C. Sarah Soh - Google Books