China Civil Aviation, AVIC (MA600) & COMAC (ARJ21/C919/C929)

[BoQ77]

Can you beat Ma Long? He is from China. Or you want to lecture him how to play table tennis. You not even qualify to talk to him. You shall shut your comment about China. I waiting for Vietnam to take over China economy before you give your comment about China.

My logic is your leverage aren't much different from mine. So why I can't argue with you.
You failed to persuade anyone that "China is you" and "China doesn't relate to me"

 

[Beast]

My logic is your leverage aren't much different from mine. So why I can't argue with you.
You failed to persuade anyone that "China is you" and "China doesn't relate to me"

What logic? We dont need lecture from you how to run China or how China works. A loser telling someone how shall we work to their way of losing? A loser shall learn from a winner how to win and not how to lose.

 

[Harisudan]

Assembly of C919 gets under way
By Yang Jian | September 20, 2014, Saturday |

Engineers work at the assembly plant for the C919 airliner in Shanghai yesterday. The homegrown plane is set to make its maiden flight next year. — Dong Jun

ASSEMBLY work began in Shanghai yesterday on the nation’s first C919 single-aisle airliner.

Technicians at Commercial Aircraft Corp of China’s assembly base in Zhuqiao riveted together sections of the fuselage of the first domestically developed narrow body passenger aircraft.

The plane is expected to make its maiden flight at the end of next year.

The various parts of the aircraft, including the nose, front and middle fuselage, wings and tail sections were designed by the corporation and manufactured in Chengdu, Shenyang and Harbin.

The pieces were transported by road and air for assembly in Shanghai.

Other sections will be supplied by local company Baosteel, and foreign firms like General Electric and Honeywell, and French engine maker CFM.

By 2020, the assembly line in Zhuqiao is expected to have the capacity to build 150 C919 narrow body aircraft and 50 ARJ21 regional jets every year.

The development of the C919 is seen as China’s attempt to enter the global aircraft market, which is dominated by Boeing and Airbus.

To date, its manufacturer has secured 400 orders from 16 customers, mostly from China, but also including United States-based GE Capital Aviation Services and Irish budget carrier Ryanair.


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Nice try by the Chinese.. If they succeed in this endeavour, then it can replace the western Aerospace giant's monopoly.. Good initiative indeed..

 

[Deino]

via: http://www.cannews.com.cn/epaper/zghkb/2015/12/29/A01/story/770622.shtml

First composite curved panel test sample for the China-Russia wide body aircraft has been delivered to COMAC by AVIC Composite Materials.

本报讯（记者　李昕葳）　12月28日，宽体客机复材机身攻关项目首件曲板试验件和《远程宽体客机复合材料结构设计与制造技术研究项目》大尺寸复合材料机身曲面加筋壁板试验件在北京交付。中国商飞公司副总经理史坚忠、中航工业总经理助理刘井宏、中俄宽体客机项目总经理马恒儒、中航工业基础院董事长孙侠生、中航工业民机工程部部长庞真、中航工业复材总经理谢富原、中航工业复材党委书记孟凡君等领导出席交付仪式。
谢富原汇报项目研制情况，中航工业复材承担中国商飞北研中心“远程宽体客机机身曲面壁板自动铺丝工艺及整体成形技术研究和复合材料结构验证试验件制造”和中国商飞上飞院“民机典型复材机身结构关键技术集成验证”等项目，项目隶属工信部民机科研项目，其主要内容是开展宽体客机复合材料机身曲面壁板的制造。
中航工业复材围绕民用飞机复合材料发展需求，建设了“自动铺带制造技术、纤维丝束铺放制造技术、长桁自动化制造技术、民机材料研发技术、民机无损检测技术”等适用于大型宽体客机研制的复合材料制造技术，在项目研究过程中，形成材料、工艺、设备、制造、检测过程的民机制造技术体系，为中国商飞宽体型号的试验件批产奠定技术基础。
谢富原表示，该机身壁板试验件是我国首次采用自动化工艺手段制造，具有开创性的意义，表明中航工业复材基本具备开展宽体机复合材料机身壁板的研制能力，为后续我国宽体机项目研制奠定了基础。
孙侠生表示，复材曲板试验件是中国民机的项目，“既是航空人，就知责任重”，中航工业复材的干部职工付出了巨大的辛勤和汗水。他强调，基础院是中航工业的基础院，也是中国商飞的基础院。气动、强度、材料、标准、计量等都是宽体客机研制的重要技术支撑，未来基础院将全力参与标准制定、适航接入、技术攻关等宽体客机项目的相关工作。同时，基础院各单位要在关键项目中体现航空人的精神，发挥自身价值。

 

[cirr]

via: http://www.cannews.com.cn/epaper/zghkb/2015/12/29/A01/story/770622.shtml





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C929

The project is yet to receive the final nod from the relevant state authority though。

 

[Deino]

Yes ... but it's always good to be prepared !

 

[Beast]

C929

The project is yet to receive the final nod from the relevant state authority though。

It is confirmed. Just short of the ceremonial stamp only.

C929

The project is yet to receive the final nod from the relevant state authority though。

It is confirmed. Just short of the ceremonial stamp only.

 

[Deino]

Sorry to ask, but either the German Post is late or my copy was lost ... but has anyone seen my C919-report in the current Air International issue ?

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

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As I opined when they first discovered those module for Aircraft Carrier in the shipyard, China is definitely building her own Aircraft Carrier. Similarly if that panel is indeed a test panel for COMAC 929, then the program is definitely in the pipeline. It is simply amazing. I mean the speed of the development.

Kudos to China and Russia for their cooperation in commercial aviation.

This will definitely pose a serious challenge to both Boeing and Airbus in the future says in another 10~20 years time.

A question: Will China be building planes including warplanes for Russia in the near future. Russia is already negotiating to assemble the Y12 for her own use.

 

[Keel]

ARJ-21 transworld flight tests included natural icing tests in areas as cold as minus 24 to 40 degrees C in Hulunbeier, Inner Mongolia. The plane stayed in the airport there overnight to test if the system could withstand the extreme frigidity. It took off successfully from Inner Mongolia the next morning, and then crossed over the cold Siberian and Alaskan skies, hopping over other North American airports to test landing saftety on icy runways etc before reaching Windsor airport and from there it took on its trip to return home safely. The test flight was completed about 1 yr and 9 months ago

The film also recorded other tests in Hainan such as flying and landing in heavy rainfalls, thunders and tropical storms and also the testing of drastic climbing and descending to the range of over 30 kms up and down and the testing of maintaining accurate and stable flight levels

Salute to our Heroes and our Foreign Affairs Ministry for their overseas liason. Also thank you for all the people in other countries who have rendered their airspace, facilities, friendliness and support to our crew and staff in making the project test flight a great success through the harshest weather conditions! It is a very touching story on the development history of ARJ 21-700

Sorry no English subtitle version yet!

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[Economic superpower]

China has been one of the biggest buyers of Airbus and Boeing aircraft for many years but, just like in the auto or smartphone industries, the priority is always to develop a homegrown product that can compete internationally.

So it was another milestone last month when state-owned aircraft-maker the Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (Comac) delivered the first ARJ-21, a homegrown jet, to domestic low-cost carrier Chengdu Airlines.

It’s a major advance for China’s domestic jet industry which the government is keen to expand to ultimately rival Boeing and Airbus, and the 80-seater is seen longer term as competing with Brazil’s Embraer, Japan’s Mitsubishi and Canada’s Bombardier.

China is also developing a narrow-body jet, the C-919, to compete with the Airbus A320 and Boeing.

After years of delay because of technical issues, the ARJ-21 was cleared to fly in the domestic market by civil aviation regulators Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) at the end of 2014, but it has not been given a certification by the US Federal Aviation Administration, which will limit its access to overseas markets as only a few markets recognise the CAAC certification.

Comac has received 350 orders for the ARJ-21, mostly from domestic airlines and leasing companies. In September, Comac said it had signed a preliminary deal with ICBC Leasing to supply 10 ARJ-21 jets and 10 of its C-919 models to Thai airline City Airways.

There are also possible ramifications for Europe as the certification issue could force Comac to eventually ask the European Aviation Safety Agency to certify the jet rather than wait for the US Federal Aviation Administration.

China’s Comac delivers first homegrown ARJ-21 jet to Chengdu Airlines


Time for China to promote the recognition of the CAAC certificate in its business dealings with other countries. China needs to combine the recognition of its standards just like America has done over the decades.

 

[Keel]

China has been one of the biggest buyers of Airbus and Boeing aircraft for many years but, just like in the auto or smartphone industries, the priority is always to develop a homegrown product that can compete internationally.

So it was another milestone last month when state-owned aircraft-maker the Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (Comac) delivered the first ARJ-21, a homegrown jet, to domestic low-cost carrier Chengdu Airlines.

It’s a major advance for China’s domestic jet industry which the government is keen to expand to ultimately rival Boeing and Airbus, and the 80-seater is seen longer term as competing with Brazil’s Embraer, Japan’s Mitsubishi and Canada’s Bombardier.

China is also developing a narrow-body jet, the C-919, to compete with the Airbus A320 and Boeing.

After years of delay because of technical issues, the ARJ-21 was cleared to fly in the domestic market by civil aviation regulators Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) at the end of 2014, but it has not been given a certification by the US Federal Aviation Administration, which will limit its access to overseas markets as only a few markets recognise the CAAC certification.

Comac has received 350 orders for the ARJ-21, mostly from domestic airlines and leasing companies. In September, Comac said it had signed a preliminary deal with ICBC Leasing to supply 10 ARJ-21 jets and 10 of its C-919 models to Thai airline City Airways.

There are also possible ramifications for Europe as the certification issue could force Comac to eventually ask the European Aviation Safety Agency to certify the jet rather than wait for the US Federal Aviation Administration.

China’s Comac delivers first homegrown ARJ-21 jet to Chengdu Airlines


Time for China to promote the recognition of the CAAC certificate in its business dealings with other countries. China needs to combine the recognition of its standards just like America has done over the decades.

The domestic market will be the only major source of income for our home grown airplanes, which include C919, ARJ 21-700, MA-700 at least for the next decade

Potential overseas buyer (and competitors alike) will be watching the quality of our airplanes closely. The Quality of the Products is within our control. Overseas certification and their acceptance of our Certification are not. I believe overseas markets where Airbas, Boeing .. have a stronghold wont adopt CAAC certification as their equal. But as long as we can stand the test of product quality over time, strong safety and operation track records are the best testaments to the strength of CAAC certification. The only way to advance our market share overseas is by putting our destiny in our own hands

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[Beast]

Fortunately, China aviation market is the biggest in the world. Any aircraft manufacturer want to stay in healthy profit must claim a share of China market. China airliner are all state controlled. So local manufacturer is bright and getting foreign Certification is more for marketing.

 

[Beast]

Start of stress test for C919

 

[Deino]

Seems as if there are some severe delays with the C919 program ...

Taking an increasingly cautious approach to its C919 narrowbody airliner program, Comac has extended its planned duration of flight testing beyond two years, pushing an unannounced target for first delivery into 2019. The schedule could easily slip a little further, since the Chinese state manufacturer is struggling to achieve its stated aim of flying the first C919 in 2016, industry sources say. Two years ago, first delivery was targeted at 2018, but Comac has announced no update since ...

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/comac-pushes-narrowbody-jet-delivery-2019

Deino