China City Bans Long Beards, Islamic Clothing on Buses: Report

[historysheeter]

It is very contradict to believe this when so many Indian people relieve themselves on the street and take bath in the gangs river

Unfortunately, India was ruled by Muslims and British for about a 1000 years before her independence. These rulers only filled their coiffeurs and hardly did anything to upgrade the lot of masses. If you see the forts built by muslim rulers, they had no provision for toilets. even they defecated in open. So India is comparatively lacking development in this part. Secondly, this has nothing to do with bathing.
But its true that even today in hindu households one can not enter kitchen without taking bath, nothing can be eaten in the morning unless taken bath. If you return home from out, you are expected to wash your hands, feet and face. This is the cultural and religious aspect about personal hygiene that is still visible.

 

[Kyle Sun]

Unfortunately, India was ruled by Muslims and British for about a 1000 years before her independence. These rulers only filled their coiffeurs and hardly did anything to upgrade the lot of masses. If you see the forts built by muslim rulers, they had no provision for toilets. even they defecated in open. So India is comparatively lacking development in is part. Secondly, this has nothing to do with bathing.
But its true that even today in hindu households one can not enter kitchen without taking bath, nothing can be eaten in the morning unless taken bath. If you return home from out, you are expected to wash your hads, feet and face. This is the cultura and religious aspect about personal hygiene that is still visible.

I see.

India Gov should allocate big budget to update infrastructure.

It will be very embarrassed for foreign people to find a toilet.

And Clean The Gangs River .

 

[dlclong]

National interests should always be placed ahead of religions. I admire China for that. The nation comes first.

China is only one percent of Muslims, but we've given a lot of concessions to them.
They are not family planning, they go to college easier than Han Chinese,
Some places still free,
And given a living allowance.

Entire minority in China, from the original 5%, and now 10% of the total population is still growing, Uighur rapid growth in the second, five times the Hans, 20 % population growth per decade

China still has a minority policies is legal,
The same type of case, if Han Chinese sentenced to 10 years the ， the minorities as long as five years, which prompted the arrogance of certain minorities, they turn oppression Han Chinese.
But in the eyes of the foreign media, you can only see the Han Chinese "oppression" minorities.

Many Han Chinese are dissatisfied.
Han total population is one hundred times than some minority ,if Han really "oppressed" them, they will have no opportunity to cry in front of you in the Western media.

Communist folly of appeasement, resulting in a situation today

 

[historysheeter]

Saudi Arabia announced in April this year, will refuse to Muslim pilgrims from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, the issuance of visas, which are preventive measures to avoid Ebola virus during the pilgrimage wantonly spread.

How often you find a Saudi or Iranian complaining about treatment of muslims else where? Though they are the leaders of Sunni and Shia sects of Islam. Its mostly irrelevant muslim nations who make more noise.

I see.

India Gov should allocate big budget to update infrastructure.

It will be very embarrassed for foreign people to find a toilet.

And Clean The Gangs River .

Agree.

 

[zxmint]

This is my first post and to be honest that comment was literally all I read in this entire thread. Indeed the guy you quoted took it too far and by no means do Muslims think like that. I believe his intention was to simply defend the minority which was apparently being effected in certain regions. Also I doubt he ment that to protect every muslim even the ones who are slaughtering Chinese.. common there are redheads in every society and religion. He just means to help the innocent ones being effected in this chaos. Just a comment on what you replied to him. Indeed United States, Russia, India, Israel maybe fighting against the Muslim world and it has been happening for not only decades but centuries. I still kinda find your comment funny lol if the -muslims would exist a decade on this planet if they were to go against the countries you mentioned- hahaha. Bro. Islam is a religion and a Muslim is the one who follows Islam. Indeed kalu_miah stated the amount of muslims in the world as in the amount which follows the religion. 2Billion and growing.. If the countries you mentioned were to go against -Muslims- The followers of Islam whom are spread out all over the world. How can they eradicate someones belief? I can assure you that Islam is by faar the most Peaceful Religion on the planet. Do not believe those redheads in your country who claim to be Muslims, Muslim. Koran says - If you kill a human being. It is as if you have killed the whole of human kind and if you save a human being it is as though you have saved all of man kind- I am a student of comparative Religion and It is all really interesting to me. I can bet you right now if there ever were to be a war against a Religion such as Islam openly just like you mentioned.. there would be no one left not you, not I let alone -Muslims-

I know that loser is just one of anti-China provoker. To be honest, even though there are plenty of people who hate Muslim in China now, especially when the massive slaughter happened again and again in this a few years, I always defend common Muslims in Chinese forums, telling people not every Muslim are bad guys. But there is an old saying in Chinese that "one single hand can not applaud", which means it needs both sides' efforts to heal the deep wound. Even if the true Islam is not bad, does that mean Islam have no responsibility at all? When your religion is misunderstood so often and produces so many extremists, then you must do something, not feel like it is nothing of your business. It is a crime for doing nothing and watching extremists killing innocent people by the name of Allah. What we saw right now is the whole Islam group is turning more and more conservative, refusing to change and mainstream themselves to the world, and I really don't know what they are thinking about their future. You don't need to be so confident, the human history had lasted for millions of years without Islam,and Islam is the latest one of the Big Three religions. And a lot of religions disappear in history, 1.6 billion is still a minor compared to 6.5 billion, to be honest. Anyway if you are really prepared to be against the world, nobody could save you from extinction. It is called "No Zuo No Die".

 

[Perseus]

Unfortunately, India was ruled by Muslims and British for about a 1000 years before her independence. These rulers only filled their coiffeurs and hardly did anything to upgrade the lot of masses. If you see the forts built by muslim rulers, they had no provision for toilets.

Unfortunately? LoL. India has been independent for around 65 years yet it has not improved its system for toilets? lol your hilarious the way you pinpoint -Muslims- Like they are the Negative,Insensitive,Greedy people in the world. Indeed almost every media channel in India is like the Fox News of United States. Your government has brainwashed you well. Please go and slap yourself across the face. kthxbye

 

[Perseus]

I know that loser is just one of anti-China provoker. To be honest, even though there are plenty of people who hate Muslim in China now, especially when the massive slaughter happened again and again in this a few years, I always defend common Muslims in Chinese forums, telling people not every Muslim are bad guys. But there is an old saying in Chinese that "one single hand can not applaud", which means it needs both sides' efforts to heal the deep wound. Even if the true Islam is not bad, does that mean Islam have no responsibility at all? When your religion is misunderstood so often and produces so many extremists, then you must do something, not feel like it is nothing of your business. It is a crime for doing nothing and watching extremists killing innocent people by the name of Allah. What we saw right now is the whole Islam group is turning more and more conservative, refusing to change and mainstream themselves to the world, and I really don't know what they are thinking about their future. You don't need to be so confident, the human history had lasted for millions of years without Islam,and Islam is the latest one of the Big Three religions. And a lot of religions disappear in history, 1.6 billion is still a minor compared to 6.5 billion, to be honest. Anyway if you are really prepared to be against the world, nobody could save you from extinction. It is called "No Zuo No Die".

I respect your thoughts and I agree with most of what your saying by the way It is just Islam is not really misunderstood by a majority of Muslims at all. If you notice or have not noticed the media pin points the red head Muslims across the world and portrays them to be like the roll models of the Muslim world when clearly those people are a misrepresent of how a Muslim should behave. I can go on and on about this and go into much detail but time does not allow me to do so. But to keep it short it is best to investigate in depth if you are interested in the topic. Do not trust what the media tells you.

 

[sahaliyan]

Pakistan is an Islamic country hence when you people oppress Muslims it collides with our national interest. Understand the difference?

but since you atheist lack morality, decency and honesty I can understand why its hard to understand

First,most Chinese aren't atheists,and Chinese government aren't communist anymore,we are just not that religious
Second,believe in one-god religions(Judaism,Christianity and Islam) doesn't make you a good person or bad person,there are good people and bad people exist in every kind of people
Third,the religious freedom in China is actually greater than Pakistan,there are even Rohingya and Ahmadi refugees in China,and in Guangzhou and Wenzhou,thousands of Middle east and African muslim traders happily live there,many of them married Chinese females,and want to live there forever.Compare with their own countries,China is far far better.
Fourth,in Xinjiang,there are more than 20000 mosques,how many muslims there?And I can tell you，in Tajikstan,a kid can not go to mosques to pray(and I can understand this,the islamists caused a civil war in this country，they should make their country peaceful),I think you guys don't know this,because western media will not report this，why they report this kind of news of China again and again?Because they want to creat hate and confusion between Chinese and muslim world.

 

[zxmint]

I respect your thoughts and I agree with most of what your saying by the way It is just Islam is not really misunderstood by a majority of Muslims at all. If you notice or have not noticed the media pin points the red head Muslims across the world and portrays them to be like the roll models of the Muslim world when clearly those people are a misrepresent of how a Muslim should behave. I can go on and on about this and go into much detail but time does not allow me to do so. But to keep it short it is best to investigate in depth if you are interested in the topic. Do not trust what the media tells you.

You know what my main point is? Muslims can not always only blame others. Yes, western medias may have kind of prejudice on Islam, but as I said, that can not be the whole picture. You really should find some reasons from yourself, not solely asking others to understand you. That is the only way to find a solution to heal the estrangement with the rest of the world.

 

[historysheeter]

Unfortunately? LoL. India has been independent for around 65 years yet it has not improved its system for toilets? lol your hilarious the way you pinpoint -Muslims- Like they are the Negative,Insensitive,Greedy people in the world. Indeed almost every media channel in India is like the Fox News of United States. Your government has brainwashed you well. Please go and slap yourself across the face. kthxbye

Did not mean to show muslims in poor light but actually barely a few muslim rulers did anything to improve the society they ruled. they let caste system of hindus to continue, they let feudals to govern the masses. It were British who despite their racism and exploitation tried to improve the indian society. They introduced the legal system that treated people at par or else the words of feudals were the law. I can not say about muslims in India what you have mentioned as they too are indians and they are also victim of this embarrassment. I am not criticizing muslims but the muslim rulers for their neglect. India from being a leader of civilization became a laggard in civic system. Obviously the rulers will be blamed.

In ancient India there were universities like Taxila and Nalanda where students from world over came. In medieval times, the education system collapsed under the muslim rulers. Luckily the British set up universities here and encouraged modern education. Even Aligarh Muslim University and Benares Hindu university were set up during british rule. India hardly made any contribution to the world during these years. There is a problem indeed and that is being addressed but its genesis is 1000 yrs of neglect. I can replace muslim rulers with medieval rulers for religious sensitivity.

 

[sahaliyan]

Pakistani's need to be careful about their future relationship with China. With rising income the Chinese will go through a long period of intolerance for the proverbial "other" and Muslims happen to be one of the big others that will become a scapegoat due to Xinjiang separatists.

As far as I can see, a Sino-Muslim alliance is still born, it will never come to life.

We Muslims should rather depend on each other and choose a leading nation among ourselves to take the lead and for that leading Muslim nation, I vote for Turkey. We Muslims should concentrate on increasing economic and military relations between Muslim majority countries and members of OIC nations. We should draw strength from each other and give strength to each other, because in the end, we are left with no friends but ourselves and yes this goes for you the Shia Muslims as well. And together we are the biggest group anyways and if there is unity, no one will be able to stand up to us, because once united we will be 2-3 times bigger than Chinese, Hindu or the West:
Global Muslim population will exceed 3 billion out of 10 billion by 2100 AD

Muslim nations of the world should stop thinking of China as their friend, any more than the West, Russia or India is. May be today they are not enemy like Zionist or India, but no one can tell what will happen in the future. Xinjiang was a hotly contested area throughout past 2000 years and it changed hand many times. From the tenuous hold of this region during Han and Tang more than 2000 and 1400 years back, the area was under Tibetan, Turkic, Mongol, Oirat/Zunghar (western Mongolians) rule, many of whom were Muslim such as Kara Khanids and Chagataid's who later became Muslim. Sultan Satuk Bughra Khan was the first Kara Khanid Turkic Prince to accept Islam around 934 AD, whose capital was near Kashgar:
Sultan Satuq Bughra Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is only relatively recently around 1755 Qing dynasty gained a foothold in this region and extended their control exterminating the Buddhist Oirat/Zunghar. Between 1910 and 1950, the region was turbulent and came under CPC rule after 1950.

I think Muslim world should not support independence of Uighurs, as it is impossible to achieve. The Han Chinese already have migrated there in sufficient numbers and any independence effort is doomed to failure. So Muslim world should firmly discourage any attempt for this "separatism" and "splittism" effort for independence and denounce all terrorism and senseless violence in the form of knife attacks or whatever method these criminal terrorists choose to engage in. But having said that, the Muslim world must unequivocally state with one voice that we the 1.7 - 2 billion Muslims of the world stand with our Muslim brothers in China, whether they are Hui, Uighur, Salar, Kazakh or Kyrgyz. We will not stay silent if they are oppressed in any way. We will raise our voice in unison and make it heard and reverberate throughout the globe for any injustice committed on our brothers.

So for all Muslims in this forum, be not afraid to raise your voice for justice and against injustice/zulm/oppression, lest you think you may hurt your petty "material" and "national" interest.

We will be ally and have good relation with some muslim countries（Pakistan,Indonesia,Sudan and so on),and we will have just normal relation with other muslim countries,you think too much"Islamic world",in reality,the Islamic world doesn't exist,like it or not,the national states are still the mainstream in the world.
Diplomacy is not simple as someone think,for example,the Vietnamese have good relation with USA now,but they are also have good relation with Russia,same as India.And you can see,the USA and Russia are no way friends,but Vietnam and India has good relation with both.Iran and USA both against ISIS,Egypt regime has good relation with Saudi Arabia,Iranians support Muslim Brotherhood,Saudis against MB,MB support Syrian rebels,Iranians against Syrian rebels,can you see it?

 

[Perseus]

You know what my main point is? Muslims can not always only blame others. Yes, western medias may have kind of prejudice on Islam, but as I said, that can not be the whole picture. You really should find some reasons from yourself, not solely asking others to understand you. That is the only way to find a solution to heal the estrangement with the rest of the world.

I understood what your main point was but of course we should understand exactly what we as Muslims are doing wrong first and then mention if there is some one else we believe is helping the cause to degrading Muslims across the world. This is of course the basic step any reasonable person would take into understanding this situation. Believe me we know ourselves what most of us are doing wrong. It is just a good amount of Muslim countries have just recently started moving on from the old ages of Empire. The west had just gotten ahead of leaving behind the Empire and focusing more on building democratic states while the Muslim states kept a hold of Dictatorships where as the oppressed kept getting oppressed. This advantage to the west is where the Anti-Muslim are playing a key role into portraying the Oppressed Extremists and Oppressors who have no moral ground on what is correct or wrong they only rule for their personal gain. As the role model Muslims. It is only a matter of time in which this situation could be healed or worsen if the Dictatorships are not broken. To heal the estrangement is in the hands of the oppressed such as the Palestinians @ war these days. What is happening there will only make Karma happen in the future. It is not only the Muslims. You Clap with 2 hands not one.

 

[historysheeter]

I respect your thoughts and I agree with most of what your saying by the way It is just Islam is not really misunderstood by a majority of Muslims at all. If you notice or have not noticed the media pin points the red head Muslims across the world and portrays them to be like the roll models of the Muslim world when clearly those people are a misrepresent of how a Muslim should behave. I can go on and on about this and go into much detail but time does not allow me to do so. But to keep it short it is best to investigate in depth if you are interested in the topic. Do not trust what the media tells you.

First of all you are responsible for your own image, blaming western media is secondary. History is witness that a muslim's loyalties lies elsewhere. When British brought down Turkish Ottoman empire, there were protests and riots by muslims in India which is called Khilafat movement. Muslims make a hue and cry when something happens like french ban on veils and this beard thing in xinjiang but no muslim mjority country gives any rights to the non-muslims. What kind of a character is this? What right then it gives them to raise voice against other countries? Pure hypocrisy. All muslim majority nations declare themselves as theocratic Islamic nation and take away basic rights of non muslims. Its this mindset that put them in poor light. Just see how this thread is full of pakistanis looking down upon china with nasty words whereas they are supposed to be best friends, allies and strategic partners. There is a saying in India that its better to have a wise enemy than have a foolish friend.

 

[Perseus]

Did not mean to show muslims in poor light but actually barely a few muslim rulers did anything to improve the society they ruled. they let caste system of hindus to continue, they let feudals to govern the masses. It were British who despite their racism and exploitation tried to improve the indian society. They introduced the legal system that treated people at par or else the words of feudals were the law. I can not say about muslims in India what you have mentioned as they too are indians and they are also victim of this embarrassment. I am not criticizing muslims but the muslim rulers for their neglect. India from being a leader of civilization became a laggard in civic system. Obviously the rulers will be blamed.

In ancient India there were universities like Taxila and Nalanda where students from world over came. In medieval times, the education system collapsed under the muslim rulers. Luckily the British set up universities here and encouraged modern education. Even Aligarh Muslim University and Benares Hindu university were set up during british rule. India hardly made any contribution to the world during these years. There is a problem indeed and that is being addressed but its genesis is 1000 yrs of neglect. I can replace muslim rulers with medieval rulers for religious sensitivity.

Thank You for replying. And if there were Muslim rulers who did that there were also Hindu rulers who did that lets just not play the blame game on how the Muslim rulers were the reason how India is today you have got to accept the fact there were more Indian than Muslim rulers in India.. And I apologize since I was rude to you in my precious post do not mind me thanks and yes it is better to say medieval rulers since it puts both Hindu and Muslim rulers in the same category.

 

[Sriram]

Stop your religious rants since it has zero relevancy in the case we are talking about here.

Why should China care about your feeling of brotherhood with some 1 billion diverse (and totally ignorant of one another in most cases) people?

You may identify yourself with Muslims in remote lands until you turn green, who cares? If you think China's internal affair is your national interest, then sorry, you are still living in cave where there was no notion of nation-state. We do not care about your feelings of affinity with people holding Chinese citizenship. Get it? So, stop ranting about abstract concepts and, just as we respect your sovereignty, respect ours.

As for the question of morality, decency and honesty, just check out your country's rank on Transparent International. Social ills in Islamic countries are no less than others. Morality and honesty has nothing to do with religion. It is personal quality and collective culture that shape our vision of the world.

they pakistanis just burnt two kids and danced after killing them, their sense of decency is different, if they say you aren't like them be happy chinese sire