China City Bans Long Beards, Islamic Clothing on Buses: Report

[Kyle Sun]

@Chinese-Dragon @Kiss_of_the_Dragon @xuxu1457

idiotic move by the chinese

so if the terrorists are not in Muslim garb does that mean no one will be allowed in buses ? will china soon have empty buses ?

As a Muslim & Pakistani I have developed a very negative view towards china... maybe the West isn't wrong about when they call the chinese regime and authoritarian/brutal regime

so much for this BS of " deeper than the ocean friendship" with Pakistan

Muslim =/=Pakistan ,and Pakistan does not on behalf of the whole Muslim world.

 

[zxmint]

Actually AQ and ISIS are pan-Islamists, as in they believe in a unified Islamic nation, so they're nationalists in their belief in the end. AQ and ISIS also say that they're trying to kick out foreign militaries from traditionally Muslim lands, which is in itself a secular goal, because it's a fight over land, not religion. What you call flaws, I call difference of opinion. Just because you disagree with something, doesn't mean it's automatically wrong.

Think about it this way, if you change anything about yourself, because someone told you that you were different, then you'd no longer be who you are. Changing belief isn't easy, and nor should it even be considered when it comes to spirituality. Your example of Christianity is flawed, because you're only focusing on religion. How about secular movements? Communist militants, for example are just as bad; but I'll be fair here and use your Christian example. This idea that Christianity had to reform in order to stop being violent is actually completely false, it's a myth. In may cases, Christians have had to go back to their roots, not actually reform their religion, in order to stop the bloodshed. Now I'm not going to debate history with you, because that's a long and tenuous journey, so I suggest that you research about the subject yourself before making comments about it.

As for ETIM turning their fight into a "jihad" all of a sudden, I can tell you right now (just like I mentioned before) that they're using Islam as a recruiting tool, and are throwing around Islamic lingo to try and gain sympathy among the Muslim population, for domestic and foreign.

If I suddenly started using Walmart lingo to commit crime, that doesn't mean Walmart is automatically guilty, it just means that I'm using Walmart as a tool.

Robert Pape, who (specializes in political science) actually wrote a book about terrorism and suicide bombings from so called religious movements, including Al Qaeda...



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It's very easy to blame Islam, when you look at the conflict from the front page, but when you dig deep down to the root of the cause, you'll find that the entire situation is quite secular in nature. If Islam were to disappear today, I can guarantee you that groups like ETIM, AQ, and ISIS would NOT disappear, instead, they'd simply reorganize and use a different ideology to gain recruits.

Well, well, I knew I can never persuade a muslim to rethink about their religion, even if a tiny point. It is a virtue and understandable to be devout and loyal to your own religion.

But when some parts of your religion doctrine,especially the "jihad" part, is being "misunderstood" or "got used of" again and again, by more and more people, causing countless casualties, I was wondering how you feel about that?

How you feel when you see hundreds of innocent people get killed by terrorists who have the same religion belief with you?

Have you ever feel regret or shame for that? I think most of you just feel like they have nothing to do with you, and any response caused by those brutal acts are unfair to you. You are always right. Then how could you expect the rest of world understand, sympathize you if yourself hold an attitude like this? Most Common German citizens felt guilty even though they were not Nazis and some of the Germans even feel guilty today, more than half a century after WWII. Have you ever feel guilty for those terror attacks? I bet the answer is NO.

 

[historysheeter]

Pakistani's need to be careful about their future relationship with China. With rising income the Chinese will go through a long period of intolerance for the proverbial "other" and Muslims happen to be one of the big others that will become a scapegoat due to Xinjiang separatists.

As far as I can see, a Sino-Muslim alliance is still born, it will never come to life.

We Muslims should rather depend on each other and choose a leading nation among ourselves to take the lead and for that leading Muslim nation, I vote for Turkey. We Muslims should concentrate on increasing economic and military relations between Muslim majority countries and members of OIC nations. We should draw strength from each other and give strength to each other, because in the end, we are left with no friends but ourselves and yes this goes for you the Shia Muslims as well. And together we are the biggest group anyways and if there is unity, no one will be able to stand up to us, because once united we will be 2-3 times bigger than Chinese, Hindu or the West:
Global Muslim population will exceed 3 billion out of 10 billion by 2100 AD

Muslim nations of the world should stop thinking of China as their friend, any more than the West, Russia or India is. May be today they are not enemy like Zionist or India, but no one can tell what will happen in the future. Xinjiang was a hotly contested area throughout past 2000 years and it changed hand many times. From the tenuous hold of this region during Han and Tang more than 2000 and 1400 years back, the area was under Tibetan, Turkic, Mongol, Oirat/Zunghar (western Mongolians) rule, many of whom were Muslim such as Kara Khanids and Chagataid's who later became Muslim. Sultan Satuk Bughra Khan was the first Kara Khanid Turkic Prince to accept Islam around 934 AD, whose capital was near Kashgar:
Sultan Satuq Bughra Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is only relatively recently around 1755 Qing dynasty gained a foothold in this region and extended their control exterminating the Buddhist Oirat/Zunghar. Between 1910 and 1950, the region was turbulent and came under CPC rule after 1950.

I think Muslim world should not support independence of Uighurs, as it is impossible to achieve. The Han Chinese already have migrated there in sufficient numbers and any independence effort is doomed to failure. So Muslim world should firmly discourage any attempt for this "separatism" and "splittism" effort for independence and denounce all terrorism and senseless violence in the form of knife attacks or whatever method these criminal terrorists choose to engage in. But having said that, the Muslim world must unequivocally state with one voice that we the 1.7 - 2 billion Muslims of the world stand with our Muslim brothers in China, whether they are Hui, Uighur, Salar, Kazakh or Kyrgyz. We will not stay silent if they are oppressed in any way. We will raise our voice in unison and make it heard and reverberate throughout the globe for any injustice committed on our brothers.

So for all Muslims in this forum, be not afraid to raise your voice for justice and against injustice/zulm/oppression, lest you think you may hurt your petty "material" and "national" interest.

A relationship is always based on principles, shared values, mutual trust and mutual interest. Interests are temporary but values and principles are eternal. Trust is the basis on which the relations are formed and is very tender. by nature. I can see there is growing mistrust between Islamic world and China. However, muslim nations are still confused. You talk of Turkey as your leader against chinese, hindu and west but Turkey is an ally of west, member of NATO. Yet you have no confidence in yourself to lead despite being a nuclear power. Attitude is still servile. And do you think Iran, Saudi, Egypt or Indonesia will accept Turkey's leadership. Also, if you polarize youself, the rest automatically polarize and they would still be double your strength. Also strength does not come from nubers. A herd of sheep and cattle means nothing in front of a pride of lions. You need to be economically viable. Right now minus petro dollars muslim world is nothing. At one place you say that you can not support independence for Uyghurs because you can not fight chinese strength. Then how you propose to challenge them? Raising voice like you do against Israel which means nothing.
Obsession with Islam is obstructing you all from seeing good in others and you are emerging as an unreliable ally who can not be trusted in the long term.

 

[Kyle Sun]

How can bathing be unhygienic???
Hindus not allowed to enter kitchen without taking bath.
Hindus not allowed to take breakfast without taking bath.
Hindus can not perform any religious duty without taking bath.
The first step in yoga is cleansing the body.

The people from desert may have some other means of hygiene

It is very contradict to believe this when so many Indian people relieve themselves on the street and take bath in the gangs river

 

[zxmint]

Regional belief should not be above the laws, but laws also should not be put above human basic values. The freedom to choose a region to believe is one of those basic values. Laws exist to make the life of everyone easier, not to restrict them. Frankly I think China dealing with Islam is a bit clumsy.

When every one's life is in danger, the first duty of law is to ensure the public security. When you lose your life, you have no freedom.

 

[dlclong]

Saudi Arabia announced in April this year, will refuse to Muslim pilgrims from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, the issuance of visas, which are preventive measures to avoid Ebola virus during the pilgrimage wantonly spread.

 

[jaunty]

China need secular islam

There is no such thing as secular Islam.

Pakistani's need to be careful about their future relationship with China.

What happened to you man? Until a few weeks ago you were sucking up to China like there's no tomorrow and now suddenly you have become hostile. Man you are something else!

And please Pakistan don't need your advice, they have been dealing with China far too long!

 

[Edison Chen]

When every one's life is in danger, the first duty of law is to ensure the public security. When you lose your life, you have no freedom.

This is damn true!

Freedom is a broadly inclusive concept, it depends on situations. For example, when I am starving to death, I find a meal can free my life, this is freedom. If you lose the life, you can have freedom in the heaven as well.

 

[Kyle Sun]

Pakistan is an Islamic country hence when you people oppress Muslims it collides with our national interest. Understand the difference?

but since you atheist lack morality, decency and honesty I can understand why its hard to understand

Then explain me why so many Islamic terrorists around the whole world ?

Why your good moral /decency/honest Muslim fellows mess up almost the whole world ?

And stop talking about atheist, we Chinese believe in our own family ancestors.

Remember , Muslim are killing each other now. USA have killed thousands Muslim terrorists and innocent Muslims and they are still killing Muslim people via drone.

You guys both believe in something like god or allah.

You said our regime is brutal . Yes , we are brutal but much better than you guys and USA
At least we do not use car bomb or suicide bomber to kill innocent people or cut off people' head with knife or eat people' heart and we do not kill people via drone like playing video game.

And stop talking about Pk , PK is our ally. We respect Pakistan's religion ,but that does not means Muslim can mess our country.

PK is a country , Muslim or Islamic is religion .Keep that in your mind.

 

[zxmint]

Actually AQ and ISIS are pan-Islamists, as in they believe in a unified Islamic nation, so they're nationalists in their belief in the end. AQ and ISIS also say that they're trying to kick out foreign militaries from traditionally Muslim lands, which is in itself a secular goal, because it's a fight over land, not religion. What you call flaws, I call difference of opinion. Just because you disagree with something, doesn't mean it's automatically wrong.

Think about it this way, if you change anything about yourself, because someone told you that you were different, then you'd no longer be who you are. Changing belief isn't easy, and nor should it even be considered when it comes to spirituality. Your example of Christianity is flawed, because you're only focusing on religion. How about secular movements? Communist militants, for example are just as bad; but I'll be fair here and use your Christian example. This idea that Christianity had to reform in order to stop being violent is actually completely false, it's a myth. In may cases, Christians have had to go back to their roots, not actually reform their religion, in order to stop the bloodshed. Now I'm not going to debate history with you, because that's a long and tenuous journey, so I suggest that you research about the subject yourself before making comments about it.

As for ETIM turning their fight into a "jihad" all of a sudden, I can tell you right now (just like I mentioned before) that they're using Islam as a recruiting tool, and are throwing around Islamic lingo to try and gain sympathy among the Muslim population, for domestic and foreign.

If I suddenly started using Walmart lingo to commit crime, that doesn't mean Walmart is automatically guilty, it just means that I'm using Walmart as a tool.

Robert Pape, who (specializes in political science) actually wrote a book about terrorism and suicide bombings from so called religious movements, including Al Qaeda...



Dying to Win - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It's very easy to blame Islam, when you look at the conflict from the front page, but when you dig deep down to the root of the cause, you'll find that the entire situation is quite secular in nature. If Islam were to disappear today, I can guarantee you that groups like ETIM, AQ, and ISIS would NOT disappear, instead, they'd simply reorganize and use a different ideology to gain recruits.

You just mentioned secular movements and I am happy to see you mentioned communism. Just look at China, including Vietnam, they both reformed, modified part of their ideology, and they are continuing reforming to fit the changing world better and we all have seen the success. If there is conservative Islam, then there has to be revolutionary Islam or reforming Islam. The world is changing all the time and the conservatives all mean to fall behind.

 

[jaunty]

It is glad to see most Indian members share the same view with us on this.

Indians can relate to it because Indians have been facing the threat of Islamist terrorism from way before everyone else. The world only came to know about the scale of this menace since 9/11 but Indians have been victims well before that.

 

[Perseus]

You are playing a dirty game here, rubbish. Muslim rise up for what? Keeping slaughtering Chinese? If you are a real Muslim, you should know what would be the final result when you fight against the World. You are already fighting against U.S., Russia, India, and now China? If these countries unite together to against Muslim, would you exist in this Planet for one single decade????? Extremists like you should go to hell as soon as possible.

This is my first post and to be honest that comment was literally all I read in this entire thread. Indeed the guy you quoted took it too far and by no means do Muslims think like that. I believe his intention was to simply defend the minority which was apparently being effected in certain regions. Also I doubt he ment that to protect every muslim even the ones who are slaughtering Chinese.. common there are redheads in every society and religion. He just means to help the innocent ones being effected in this chaos. Just a comment on what you replied to him. Indeed United States, Russia, India, Israel maybe fighting against the Muslim world and it has been happening for not only decades but centuries. I still kinda find your comment funny lol if the -muslims would exist a decade on this planet if they were to go against the countries you mentioned- hahaha. Bro. Islam is a religion and a Muslim is the one who follows Islam. Indeed kalu_miah stated the amount of muslims in the world as in the amount which follows the religion. 2Billion and growing.. If the countries you mentioned were to go against -Muslims- The followers of Islam whom are spread out all over the world. How can they eradicate someones belief? I can assure you that Islam is by faar the most Peaceful Religion on the planet. Do not believe those redheads in your country who claim to be Muslims, Muslim. Koran says - If you kill a human being. It is as if you have killed the whole of human kind and if you save a human being it is as though you have saved all of man kind- I am a student of comparative Religion and It is all really interesting to me. I can bet you right now if there ever were to be a war against a Religion such as Islam openly just like you mentioned.. there would be no one left not you, not I let alone -Muslims-

 

[dlclong]

Indians can relate to it because Indians have been facing the threat of Islamist terrorism from way before everyone else. The world only came to know about the scale of this menace since 9/11 but Indians have been victims well before that.

We call secular, mean,
We do not need the Saudi-style conservative feudal, we can not let clothing hinder people's exchanges, because we are not Islamic countries. We should not by becoming more conservative.

Respect is mutual, in some Islamic countries do not allow the existence of atheism, but did not atheists protest
China is only 1% of Muslims, but we've given a lot of concessions to them.
They are not family planning, they go to college more easier than Han Chinese,
Some places still free,
And given a living allowance.
But no Han therefore protest

 

[jaunty]

We call secular, mean,
We do not need the Saudi-style conservative feudal, we can not let clothing hinder people's exchanges, because we are not Islamic countries. We should not by becoming more conservative.

Respect is mutual, in some Islamic countries do not allow the existence of atheism, but did not atheists protest

National interests should always be placed ahead of religions. I admire China for that. The nation comes first.

 

[Kyle Sun]

How about this ?

Muslim does love USA very much.