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A model of China's P18 export corvette, a number of which Beijing has reportedly sold to Argentina. Somewhat controversially, the vessels in Argentine service will be known as the Malvinas class. Source: R D Fisher

Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner is expected to sign agreements with China to increase military co-operation, including construction of new warships for the Argentine Navy, during a visit to Beijing on 3-5 February, according to media reports.

The expanded level of Argentine-Chinese military co-operation, which has been about a year in preparation, follows the signing of a memorandum of understanding (MoU) on 29 October 2014 by an Argentine-Chinese Joint Committee on Co-operation in the Field of Defence Technology and Industry. The actual joint development programmes were finalised during a visit by a Chinese defence trade delegation to Buenos Aires in late January.

Argentine reports indicate the agreement to be signed in Beijing could cover co-production in Argentina of the Norinco VN1 wheeled armoured personnel carrier (APC) and co-operation in building a new ice-breaker, naval tugboats, mobile hospitals, and new warships for the Argentine Navy.

In late 2014 the Argentine government reportedly accepted a Chinese offer to meet its long-standing requirement for a new class of offshore patrol vessel. Over the last decade Argentina has considered purchasing designs from Brazil, Germany, and Spain, but China has reportedly succeeded in selling a more capable warship: a version of the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation's (CSIC) P18 export corvette.

Somewhat controversially, this vessel will be known as the Malvinas class, after the Argentine name for the Falkland Islands: a UK sovereign territory that Argentine forces invaded in April 1982 before being defeated by a British task force in a conflict that claimed 907 lives.

Two P18N corvettes were sold to Nigeria in 2012 for USD42 million each.

According to Brazilian web magazine Naval Power , an initial Argentine contract may include two ships built in China and three co-produced in Argentina. An Argentine source noted the price for the ships could be USD50 million each.

The P18 corvette displaces 1,800 tonnes, is 95 m long, 12 m wide, and is powered by two German-designed MTU 20V 4000M diesel engines to achieve a speed of 25 kt. It can be armed with a 76 mm main gun, two 30 mm cannons, up to eight anti-ship missiles, two triple torpedo launchers, and can carry one medium-sized helicopter.

Naval Power reported that Argentina has requested a larger flight deck to handle its 10-tonne Sea King helicopters and a towed sonar to increase its anti-submarine capability.

Delivery of the Argentine P18s could start in 2017.

Reports from mid-2014 indicate the Argentine Army evaluated the Norinco VN1 8x8 amphibious APC, considering its 21-tonne infantry fighting vehicle variant along with 105 mm gun- and 120 mm mortar-armed versions. Argentina could acquire up to 110 VN1s, according to Naval Power .

Venezuela's marines took delivery of the region's first VN1s at the end of December 2014.

ANALYSIS
If concluded, this defence agreement could mark a major step in Argentina's long-standing effort to revive its military capabilities and would constitute a major success for China's 15-year endeavour to expand its military influence and market share in Latin America.


Since the 1982 Falklands War, China has expressed its support for Argentina's continued claims over the islands, which Beijing compares to its claim over Taiwan. However, China's willingness to accept commodity payments to finance initial loans that fund military sales has been key to its military sales success in Argentina.

In 2011 the Fábrica Argentina de Aviones (Argentine Aircraft Factory: FAdeA) reached an agreement to start co-producing China's Changhe Z-11 light helicopter. Then, in June 2013, FAdeA sources told IHS Jane's that talks over co-production of the Chengdu FC-1 lightweight jet fighter had occurred over the previous two years. This option appears to have been lost as Argentina has tried and failed to purchase retired Dassault Mirage F1 fighters from Spain, then refurbished Israeli Aircraft Industry Kfir fighters and, in late 2014, Saab Gripen fighters co-produced in Brazil.

However, the new Argentine-Chinese defence agreement could revive prospects for combat aircraft co-operation. In addition to the FC-1 fighter, China could offer low-cost combat-capable supersonic lead-in trainers like the Guizhou JL-9G/FTC-2000G or the Hongdu L-15.

China, Argentina set for defence collaboration, Malvinas-class OPV deal - IHS Jane's 360
 
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Malvinas class :rofl::rofl:
I wish Argentina would grow a pair and try to take the Falklands again. Those Chinese corvettes would be laying on the ocean floor in no time :azn::azn:


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Malvinas class :rofl::rofl:
I wish Argentina would grow a pair and try to take the Falklands again. Those Chinese corvettes would be laying on the ocean floor in no time :azn::azn:


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Should be easy enough for China to sell the Z-9C along with the corvette.

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Your plan is to send a billion dollar nuclear submarine against a $50 million corvette. Is that wise?
 
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Should be easy enough for China to sell the Z-9C along with the corvette.

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Your plan is to send a billion dollar nuclear submarine against a $50 million corvette. Is that wise?


haha, you think the UK armed forces can't handle Argentina and the toys it buys from China??? any time something bad happens in Argentina the government turns to the Las Malvinas Argentina schtick.

Astute is always around Falklands just in case. use what you got. no need to give Argentina a handicap.
 
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haha, you think the UK armed forces can't handle Argentina and the toys it buys from China??? any time something bad happens in Argentina the government turns to the Las Malvinas Argentina schtick.

Astute is always around Falklands just in case. use what you got. no need to give Argentina a handicap.

The Royal Navy is so overrated. I'm not kidding when I say that the JF-17 would manhandle the Royal Navy right now. We should sell these next to Argentina.

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The Royal Navy is so overrated. I'm not kidding when I say that the JF-17 would manhandle the Royal Navy right now. We should sell these next to Argentina.

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Argentina could spend $20 billion on new toys from China and still wouldn't stand a chance :D
they would need China to step in and fight their battle.
but can China take the fight all the way over there though :D I think not.

UK navy overrated.

two Type 45s is more than enough to handle anything in the region of operations.

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well, last time around Argie was fighting the Brits with Brits and American ship and the Brits won.

Dont honestly see they will try and fight the brits again using Chinese gear.

A ground war is not as simple as sending a few frigate and few fighter, but a ground assault. Which rely heavily on ground force.
 
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Wow type 056 is really cost effective at 40-60 million. (Non export versions cost more I suppose).

UK navy is advanced with nuclear subs and advanced destroyers, but very small in numbers. That is a major liability. If Argentina buys more cost effective but less fancy chinese ships, they might just win Falklands War 2.0
 
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Surface ships will always be at a disadvantage against ASCMs launched from below the horizon.

Argentina already demonstrated this when they sank the HMS Sheffield during the first Falklands War.

HMS Sheffield (D80) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The UK will regain its naval advantage when the Queen Elizabeth-class enters service, but not before.
 
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haha, you think the UK armed forces can't handle Argentina and the toys it buys from China??? any time something bad happens in Argentina the government turns to the Las Malvinas Argentina schtick.

Astute is always around Falklands just in case. use what you got. no need to give Argentina a handicap.
US support Argentina claim over falkland.
 
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Surface ships will always be at a disadvantage against ASCMs launched from below the horizon.

Argentina already demonstrated this when they sank the HMS Sheffield during the first Falklands War.

HMS Sheffield (D80) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The UK will regain its naval advantage when the Queen Elizabeth-class enters service, but not before.
You kidding right. UK will not risk a carrier, that would be a political nightmare.
 
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well, last time around Argie was fighting the Brits with Brits and American ship and the Brits won.

What was the name of the US (war-)ship(s) that was sent to fight against Argentina during the Falkland Island war?

US support Argentina claim over falkland.

US supported UK but superficially remained neutral

"New U.S. Documents Show Washington Sided with British in Early April 1982 While Publicly Declaring Neutrality
CIA reports Describe Logistical Support and Detailed Intelligence on Argentine Forces"

Reagan On The Falkland/Malvinas: "Give[] Maggie enough to carry on..." Haig to Thatcher: "We are not impartial"
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The Royal Navy is so overrated. I'm not kidding when I say that the JF-17 would manhandle the Royal Navy right now. We should sell these next to Argentina.

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Argentinians should consider buying our J-10 also in order to get a mix of fighter-jets
 
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What was the name of the US (war-)ship(s) that was sent to fight against Argentina during the Falkland Island war?



US supported UK but superficially remained neutral

"New U.S. Documents Show Washington Sided with British in Early April 1982 While Publicly Declaring Neutrality
CIA reports Describe Logistical Support and Detailed Intelligence on Argentine Forces"

Reagan On The Falkland/Malvinas: "Give[] Maggie enough to carry on..." Haig to Thatcher: "We are not impartial"

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Argentinians should consider buying our J-10 also in order to get a mix of fighter-jets

Since when did I say US send ship to help Argie or the Brits fight in Falkland? lol dude, you have a comprehension problem...

I said the Argie is fighting the Brits with British and American ships, let see what ships and where do they come from in Argentine Navy during Falkland war, shall we?

ARA Alferez Sobral (A-9) - Ex USS Salish - 1972 - now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Alferez_Sobral_(A-9)

ARA Veinticinco de Mayo (V-2) - Ex-HMS Venerable - 1968-1990
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Veinticinco_de_Mayo_(V-2)

ARA General Belgrano - Ex USS Phoenix - 1951-1982 (Sunk in Falkland War)
ARA General Belgrano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ARA Santísima Trinidad D1. (1974-2003)- UK Built Type 42 Destroyer
ARA Hércules (B-52) - 1976 - now - UK Built Type-42 Destroyer
Type 42 destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

most of the ship's in Argentine inventory are either American Made, British Made, or German made. Most of them are ex-serviced vessel and some of them are new built. Infact, the Argentine just received the newly built Type-42 6 years prior to the war, a ship which the RN was using at the same conflict.

dude, how much do you guys actually know about Falkland war?
 
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