China announces naval drills in Western Pacific

[ChineseTiger1986]

BEIJING, China - China said on Wednesday it will conduct naval exercises in the western Pacific this month, an announcement that came a week after Washington reinforced its Asia-Pacific footprint with plans to operate 2,500 U.S. Marines out of northern Australia.

Beijing emphasized its right to go carry out the regular annual drills despite regional fears about its growing military strength, particularly that of its navy.

After a diplomatic push through the region by U.S. President Barack Obama, tensions between the United States and China spilled over into meetings of Asia-Pacific leaders in Indonesia, particularly over how to handle competing regional claims to the South China Sea.

Obama's push, which included plans to operate Marines and U.S. war planes and navy ships out of a de facto base in the Australian city of Darwin, may have fuelled China's fear of being encircled or contained by the United States and its allies.

"This is an annual, planned, routine drill. It is not directed at any specific country or target and is in keeping with relevant international laws and practices," said a two-line statement on China's Ministry of National Defence website (??????????).

"China's freedom of navigation and other legal rights should not be obstructed," it said, without giving further details about where the drills would occur.

Japan's Kyodo news agency cited the Japanese Defense Ministry as saying six Chinese naval ships had crossed into the Pacific between two major Okinawa Prefecture islands in southern Japan since early Tuesday.

The growing reach of China's navy is raising regional concerns that have fed into long-standing territorial disputes in energy-rich waters that could speed up military expansion across Asia.

China has been building new submarines, surface ships and anti-ship ballistic missiles as part of its naval modernization. In August it made a trial launch of its first aircraft carrier, a retro-fitted Soviet vessel.

In the past year, China has had run-ins at sea with Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines. The incidents -- boat crashes and charges of territorial incursions -- have been minor, but the diplomatic reaction has often been heated.

Scott Harold, associate political scientist at the RAND Corporation, said it was unclear whether the exercises were in response to U.S. pressure, but that coordinating likely thousands of individuals on ships far from China's coast required a budget and an operational plan.

"That's not something you put together in an hour or two," Harold said.

"It seems they are going out of their way to portray that this is not a response to Obama."

Chinese state media has said that building a strong navy that is commensurate with China's rising status is a necessary step in China's efforts to safeguard its increasingly globalized national interests.

Tense maritime stand-offs between China and some of its neighbors have persisted in the disputed South China Sea, where key shipping lanes carry some $5 trillion a year in world trade.

Vietnam, China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei all have claims in the disputed waters.

On the tails of last week's East Asia Summit in Indonesia, a U.S. official travelling with Obama said he had been encouraged by the constructive tone of discussions with Asian leaders on maritime security and the South China Sea, a topic Beijing had hoped to keep off the agenda.

Obama told Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who indirectly warned Washington to stay out of the dispute at the summit, that the United States wanted to ensure the sea lanes were kept open and peaceful.

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[ChineseTiger1986]

Hopefully they can testify JL-3 again as they did back in the last June.

 

[Greater China]

Active steps needed to counter US containment efforts

Global Times | November 23, 2011 21:52

The US is currently experiencing the most serious economic crisis since the Great Depression, whereas China is marching steadily to becoming a world power. Afraid of losing its dominance, the US becomes particularly concerned about the shrinking gap of economic power between the two countries. Various containment strategies are devised that directly target China.

Following the usual US practice, I assume both internal and external containment strategies will continue to be practiced. The internal strategies will include attempting to form alliance with various interests groups including political dissidents, anti-government organizations, and pro-Western intellectuals and media. The US will continue using its soft power to influence public opinion and create troubles, so that China will fall from within.

External containment strategy will include forming alliances with China's neighbor countries, escalating regional disputes and creating antagonism between countries. Such incidences in the past include the North Korea border dispute and the Sino-Indian border dispute. Recently, the US moved on to the South China Sea maritime border dispute, which caused significant tension in the region.

There is rarely a pinch of benevolence in the US foreign policy. Direct conflict is by default the US way to solve disputes. The first decade of the 21st century has seen the development of the Sino-American relationship, but not without crisis and adversity. Keeping in mind the differences between the two countries; we should not be blinded by our wishful thinking. To avoid being blindsided somewhere down the line, effective countermeasures are needed.

As I see it, firstly, we will need to maintain our confidence in the "Chinese model," which should be enough to ensure the Chinese economy overtakes the US economy in a decade.

Under current financial constraints, the US lacks the resources to pursue a war against China. But this does not prevent it from creating unnecessary tension in the Asian-Pacific region.

The US is experienced in escalating regional disputes by abetting neighbor countries. If it succeeds, border disputes will result in small-scale military conflicts, which would be a financial drain on our side, and possibly drive up public anxiety and slow down the economy. This is by far the most cost effective strategy for the US.

Although we will still bear in mind the principle of "peaceful rise," we also need to draw a bottom line beyond which non-peaceful measures will be adopted. Preemptive measures will always be necessary. Take the recent negotiation with IMF for instance. We could have created a financial institute parallel to the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) issuing our own bonds to help the euro members with its sovereign debt crisis.

We should adopt a wider vocabulary in negotiating with the US. The Sino-US relationship is strategically pivotal to the overall tone of our foreign policy. We should always be aware of the threat from the US in the region, and the various disagreements we have on economic policies. In addition, we should be more willingly to leverage our economic prowess in diplomacy.

It might be a good idea to work out a financial aid program, like a Chinese version of the Marshal Plan, to help neighboring countries that do not have border disputes with China with their current economic needs. It will be helpful in building up trust and strengthening regional economic cooperation so that existing coalitions such as the ASEAN Plus Three (Association of Southeast Asian Nations and three East Asian nations of China, Japan and South Korea) would not be completely replaced by the recent US initiative, i.e. the Transpacific Partnership Trade (TPP), that deliberately excludes China.

We need to decide at what point we need to prepare for military action. Against the vexing actions of certain countries, if both diplomatic and economic measures fail to have an effect, navy drills could be the next step. Additionally, to avoid oil exploration in the disputed waters, we could declare the area to be a combat zone for military drills.

We must also work on our soft power, explain ourselves and point out the logical gaps in the US ideology. We should use concrete examples, such as the Philippines, to argue our case that direct copying the Western governing philosophy and social structures would not be the best scheme for Asian countries.

 

[SinoChallenger]

In the same way as indians delude themselves to be equal to or better than China, we Chinese delude ourselves that the rest of the world will really let us rise peacefully if we are really really nice to them.

You cannot get credit for the university course if you don't take the exam. You can't just say, "Gee professor, I know the material so well I don't even need to take the exam."

In the same way, China must prove its worth in combat. Maybe we really are so powerful that it is stupid for these others to challenge us. But trying to persuade them verbally is futile. Power comes from the barrel of a gun.

Time to stop deluding ourselves like indians, folks, there is never such thing as "peaceful rise."

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

In the same way as indians delude themselves to be equal to or better than China, we Chinese delude ourselves that the rest of the world will really let us rise peacefully if we are really really nice to them.

You cannot get credit for the university course if you don't take the exam. You can't just say, "Gee professor, I know the material so well I don't even need to take the exam."

In the same way, China must prove its worth in combat. Maybe we really are so powerful that it is stupid for these others to challenge us. But trying to persuade them verbally is futile. Power comes from the barrel of a gun.

Time to stop deluding ourselves like indians, folks, there is never such thing as "peaceful rise."

China must defeat the USA in order to survive, i think most people already start to realize this.

 

[Determined Tiger]

In the same way as indians delude themselves to be equal to or better than China, we Chinese delude ourselves that the rest of the world will really let us rise peacefully if we are really really nice to them.

You cannot get credit for the university course if you don't take the exam. You can't just say, "Gee professor, I know the material so well I don't even need to take the exam."

In the same way, China must prove its worth in combat. Maybe we really are so powerful that it is stupid for these others to challenge us. But trying to persuade them verbally is futile. Power comes from the barrel of a gun.

Time to stop deluding ourselves like indians, folks, there is never such thing as "peaceful rise."

if you wanna prove that you are the new superpower, the first thing you have to do is to beat out the **** of the vietnam in front of the useless U.N.!!! second sink to the ocean the whole japanese and indian fleets navy that used to provoke you these days, finally is give that pinoy servants a lesson how to respect other by sending them few hundred long range cruise missiles hitting directly at their naval and air-force bases to make sure they never raise that cocky voice to China again!!! That's the must you have to do now to secure your position instead of spending too much in space programs!!!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

if you wanna prove that you are the new superpower, the first thing you have to do is to beat out the **** of the vietnam in front of the useless U.N.!!! second sink to the ocean the whole japanese and indian fleets navy that used to provoke you these days, finally is give that pinoy servants a lesson how to respect other by sending them few hundred long range cruise missiles target directly at naval and air force bases to make sure they never raise their voice to you again!!! That's the must you have to do now to secure your position instead of spending too much in space programs!!!

Hu Jintao leaves this task to his successor.

 

[dunhill]

if you wanna prove that you are the new superpower, the first thing you have to do is to beat out the **** of the vietnam in front of the useless U.N.!!! second sink to the ocean the whole japanese and indian fleets navy that used to provoke you these days, finally is give that pinoy servants a lesson how to respect other by sending them few hundred long range cruise missiles hitting directly at their naval and air-force bases to make sure they never raise that cocky voice to China again!!! That's the must you have to do now to secure your position instead of spending too much in space programs!!!

OMG, you just prove to me to understand what a Cambodian turned wild. People must be scare for somehow, someways and I am scared too. You seems hate the West but your life is sticking in that call "The West place". Don't you feel something wrong? I bet you don't cause you don't have it in you indeed.

 

[Viva_Viet]

if you wanna prove that you are the new superpower, the first thing you have to do is to beat out the **** of the vietnam in front of the useless U.N.!!! second sink to the ocean the whole japanese and indian fleets navy that used to provoke you these days, finally is give that pinoy servants a lesson how to respect other by sending them few hundred long range cruise missiles hitting directly at their naval and air-force bases to make sure they never raise that cocky voice to China again!!! That's the must you have to do now to secure your position instead of spending too much in space programs!!!

Hehe, we're communist nations, we will not have full scale war before US collapse

Btw: space programs is very important for future 'Star war' , even VN also has space programs with Russia-USA-Japan help too. If China fall behind , her tele communication will be in our hand in future

 

[Guest01]

BEIJING, China - China said on Wednesday it will conduct naval exercises in the western Pacific this month, an announcement that came a week after Washington reinforced its Asia-Pacific footprint with plans to operate 2,500 U.S. Marines out of northern Australia.

Beijing emphasized its right to go carry out the regular annual drills despite regional fears about its growing military strength, particularly that of its navy.

After a diplomatic push through the region by U.S. President Barack Obama, tensions between the United States and China spilled over into meetings of Asia-Pacific leaders in Indonesia, particularly over how to handle competing regional claims to the South China Sea.

Obama's push, which included plans to operate Marines and U.S. war planes and navy ships out of a de facto base in the Australian city of Darwin, may have fuelled China's fear of being encircled or contained by the United States and its allies.

"This is an annual, planned, routine drill. It is not directed at any specific country or target and is in keeping with relevant international laws and practices," said a two-line statement on China's Ministry of National Defence website (??????????).

"China's freedom of navigation and other legal rights should not be obstructed," it said, without giving further details about where the drills would occur.

Japan's Kyodo news agency cited the Japanese Defense Ministry as saying six Chinese naval ships had crossed into the Pacific between two major Okinawa Prefecture islands in southern Japan since early Tuesday.

The growing reach of China's navy is raising regional concerns that have fed into long-standing territorial disputes in energy-rich waters that could speed up military expansion across Asia.

China has been building new submarines, surface ships and anti-ship ballistic missiles as part of its naval modernization. In August it made a trial launch of its first aircraft carrier, a retro-fitted Soviet vessel.

In the past year, China has had run-ins at sea with Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines. The incidents -- boat crashes and charges of territorial incursions -- have been minor, but the diplomatic reaction has often been heated.

Scott Harold, associate political scientist at the RAND Corporation, said it was unclear whether the exercises were in response to U.S. pressure, but that coordinating likely thousands of individuals on ships far from China's coast required a budget and an operational plan.

"That's not something you put together in an hour or two," Harold said.

"It seems they are going out of their way to portray that this is not a response to Obama."

Chinese state media has said that building a strong navy that is commensurate with China's rising status is a necessary step in China's efforts to safeguard its increasingly globalized national interests.

Tense maritime stand-offs between China and some of its neighbors have persisted in the disputed South China Sea, where key shipping lanes carry some $5 trillion a year in world trade.

Vietnam, China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei all have claims in the disputed waters.

On the tails of last week's East Asia Summit in Indonesia, a U.S. official travelling with Obama said he had been encouraged by the constructive tone of discussions with Asian leaders on maritime security and the South China Sea, a topic Beijing had hoped to keep off the agenda.

Obama told Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who indirectly warned Washington to stay out of the dispute at the summit, that the United States wanted to ensure the sea lanes were kept open and peaceful.

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Extremely good development. Only one thing is now sure in the evolving scenario. China's proxy's are now just limited to only one and the navy is anyway on its own even with that. Probably for the first time in its evolution, the communist party will have to show its hand. No more cloak and dagger possibility and that takes away the primary strength of the communist party.

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China must defeat the USA in order to survive, i think most people already start to realize this.

You are totally correct. And the communist party should make this pretty quick otherwise the realization will end even before it starts.

---------- Post added at 11:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:51 AM ----------

China must defeat the USA in order to survive, i think most people already start to realize this.

You are totally correct. And the communist party should make this pretty quick otherwise the realization will end even before it starts.

---------- Post added at 11:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:51 AM ----------

if you wanna prove that you are the new superpower, the first thing you have to do is to beat out the **** of the vietnam in front of the useless U.N.!!! second sink to the ocean the whole japanese and indian fleets navy that used to provoke you these days, finally is give that pinoy servants a lesson how to respect other by sending them few hundred long range cruise missiles hitting directly at their naval and air-force bases to make sure they never raise that cocky voice to China again!!! That's the must you have to do now to secure your position instead of spending too much in space programs!!!

Hey, do not call Pinoy's servants of Chinese dude. They are working tirelessly on this forum to defend China and make some bread :grin:

 

[Huan]

Hehe, we're communist nations, we will not have full scale war before US collapse

Btw: space programs is very important for future 'Star war' , even VN also has space programs with Russia-USA-Japan help too. If China fall behind , her tele communication will be in our hand in future

China fall behind? lol Where did you get your ego boost from?

 

[Viva_Viet]

China fall behind? lol Where did you get your ego boost from?

Hehe, VietNamese was the first Asian (outside of Russia) in space , China space programs was behind VN during 80-90s

 

[gagaga]

Hehe, VietNamese was the first Asian (outside of Russia) in space , China space programs was behind VN during 80-90s

hm~ its informative, thank you.

 

[Viva_Viet]

by this logic then dog will be the most first animal that was sent into space!!! so your vietnamese astronaut cannot even compare to a dog!?

you just give yourself a big slap fool!!! that is the consequence of talkative; talking too much without thinking, the most common illness of paranoid viets today!!!

?

Dog used for testing only ,

As little was known about the impact of spaceflight on living creatures at the time of Laika's mission, and the technology to de-orbit had not yet been developed, there was no expectation of Laika's survival. Some scientists believed humans would be unable to survive the launch or the conditions of outer space, so engineers viewed flights by non-human animals as a necessary precursor to human missions.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laika

he say that right, the Russian picked a vietnamese pilot during the cold war and sent that guy into space to stuck up with China and Western alliances at that time!!!

Soviet and VNese had joint USSR-Vietnamese Space program , just like US -Japan Space program , but USSR-Vietnamese Space program had more advantage than those capitalist one ,

Tuan reached rank of lieutenant colonel in the VPAF before eventually training to be a research cosmonaut in the joint USSR-Vietnamese Space program.

Pham Tuan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[EastSea]

if you wanna prove that you are the new superpower, the first thing you have to do is to beat out the **** of the vietnam in front of the useless U.N.!!! second sink to the ocean the whole japanese and indian fleets navy that used to provoke you these days, finally is give that pinoy servants a lesson how to respect other by sending them few hundred long range cruise missiles hitting directly at their naval and air-force bases to make sure they never raise that cocky voice to China again!!! That's the must you have to do now to secure your position instead of spending too much in space programs!!!

you have to study more to understand that chinese look down you same to others their neigbours, using cambodia like black chess as more as possible for their own interest. Frustration with Chinese to attack Vietnam is no good, bro.