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[ohmrlobalobayeh]

u guys are wasting time on him. It's apparent some1 is jealous his own country fails at making engines and gives up for good
( http://www.oneindia.com/bengaluru/o...roject-gtre-gets-revival-package-1565505.html )

and starts displaying a typical episode of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection .

"Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting."



= i know my country sucks bigtime at making engines, but my ego and nationalism warrants me to accuse another country that mine has a 1-sided rivlary to of also sucking at making engines, just so that my country does'nt look bad.







Thus he will always pray and hope that China never succeeds to make any good engines when the matured WS-10A has already powered the J-11 for years, while the WS-13 has been flying on the JF-17.
Even the Engine programs has already branched out with the devlopment of the WS-15 for J-20, WS-18 for the H-6 bomber series and WS-20 for the Y-20 in the works.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Again that's not the point and by the way this link You gave is more or less an exact copy - at least content-wise - to the original link posted at Sputnik ... so what will You expect?

Point is that China bought some Su-35 from Russia, maybe to strengthen the industrial or military ties, the technical cooperation and maybe simply since they are so much greedy on the 117S. Anyway.
But Your claim that the WS-10 are only for show, that they are unreliable prototypes is simply not correct ... and if China would like to sell the WS-10 is another completely irrelevant issue.

So either admit at least what You wrote by Your own and stick to the facts ... and stay on topic.

Otherwise face the consequences.

Deino

oh Man u still didn't got it. 117 engines are bought because chine might will place them on SCS where short run take off possible only in these engines .

A) High MTBF of engines means they can be on long range of petrol cross south china sea for longer duration.

After a couple of yes u will see which engines are deployed and SCS and what PAK get.


now ,

https://www.rt.com/news/fifth-generation-j-20-russian-engine-261/

"Despite the fact that China tries to sell clones of the Russian jets at discount prices on the international arms market ($10 million for a J-11, while the Russian original Su-27 is well over $30 million), China continues to buy Russian engines and certain parts of these engines in quantities that far exceed the necessity to do routine maintenance of the Russian planes they use."

now above article is from house mouth says a lot .

 

[Mugwop]

who are bashing just asked the figures of engines which might not come.

There's no need to bash,We have a separate thread for that

 

[Deino]

Oh my god ! A trashy report from 2012 !!!

Your point is moot ... PLANAF birds are already patrolling across the SCS, so the reliability and MTBO seems at least to be fine.

But again, stick to the topic and Your own posts and do not fabricate certain issues that don't exist only to derail this thread.

Deino

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

u guys are wasting time on him. It's apparent some1 is jealous his own country fails at making engines and gives up for good(and almost every other military toys, including even simple small arms like guns) and starts displaying a typical episode of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection .

Thus he will always pray and hope that China never succeeds to make any good engines when the matured WS-10A has already powered the J-11 for years, while the WS-13 has been flying on the JF-17.
Even the Engine programs has already branched out with the devlopment of the WS-15 for J-20, WS-18 for the H-6 bomber series and WS-20 for the Y-20 in the works.

Some stuff to add on:

1)WS-10A has also been flying on the J-16 since 2011 and is now being upgraded with the WS-10B

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Oh my god ! A trashy report from 2012 !!!

Your point is moot ... PLANAF birds are already patrolling across the SCS, so the reliability and MTBO seems at least to be fine.

But again, stick to the topic and Your own posts and do not fabricate certain issues that don't exist only to derail this thread.

Deino

well since 2008 Chinese Nego for engine going on/ SU- 35...So post from 2012 seem u feel old but asking for engine from 2008 do not seems ODD?

What is said they doing petrol but at what expense?

let quote u an example, A Chinese fishing boat can also do petrol and if china buying destroyer for SCS , you are aka saying china has capability of petrol in SCS why they need destroyer for that and they doing petrol now also.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

dun feed the troll man. His arguments are going towards the direction of being more and more ridiculous.

 

[phancong]

@Alpha Fighter !

Stopp, immedaetly ! If You want to troll around and continue, then go and search for another forum or face the consequences.

This thread is on Su-35-sales to china and not again to bash Chinese engine reliability or anything else.
By the way get at least the facts correct: The WS-10A is a matured and reliable engine; PERIOD and regardless that Western engines have a higher service live of TBO.
These characteristics may be lower than You like but they seem high enough for the PLAAF and PLANAF since there are already several hundreds in service and since some years not a single operational J-11B and BS Flanker was powered by a Russian AL-31F anymore.

So simply shut up.

Deino

Just ban him from this thread if he just trolled on this thread. Nothing to further discuss,

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Just ban him from this thread if he just trolled on this thread. Nothing to further discuss,

he atually had the audacity to argue with a mod lol. If this were other defence forums, he would had been banned instantly.

 

[Ultima Thule]

well since 2008 Chinese Nego for engine going on/ SU- 35...So post from 2012 seem u feel old but asking for engine from 2008 do not seems ODD?

What is said they doing petrol but at what expense?

let quote u an example, A Chinese fishing boat can also do petrol and if china buying destroyer for SCS , you are aka saying china has capability of petrol in SCS why they need destroyer for that and they doing petrol now also.

go concern Eindia first, than concern others, you are trolling, i am reporting you

 

[Brainsucker]

go concern Eindia first, than concern others, you are trolling, i am reporting you

Why? A mod has been aware about this. I believe that Deino capable enough to handle this matter. Whatever he will be banned or not, that depend on Deino's judgement. Just let him be

 

[jaiind]

could any one of you let me know why china is getting su 35 when they proclaimed their J series matured !!

 

[nang2]

could any one of you let me know why china is getting su 35 when they proclaimed their J series matured !!

You should follow Chinese military news more closely. Even J series are still evolving. It never hurts to learn from others' improvement.

 

[Brainsucker]

could any one of you let me know why china is getting su 35 when they proclaimed their J series matured !!

China needs more than the number of aircraft they can produce. Plus, SU-35S is not a bad fighter. So what wrong with it?

 

[Cyberian]

You never know, these could be sold off to Pakistan if and when India can afford to purchase the Rafale aircrafts.