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That are just a bunch of laughable statements with zero proofs and evidence. As i recall 2-3 years ago all Chinese experts were claiming how they reached Russian level in engine development
The aerodynamic designs part was best btw that should be some hard stuff you got
Where did i say anything about superiority of RuAF? You should talk not to me, but to the guy, who is known to regularly spout BS about Russian equipment and at the same time bragging about superior Chinese capabilities in almost everything.
radar is utter nonsense, at this point Russian does not have any capable serving air-born and sea-born AESA radars,
but tpye052C/D and AWACs-2000/200 in PLAF nd PLAN are equipping not only the first but second and third generation AESA radars in numbers```people who working closely with Russians from SAC and CAC confidently said that china now is actually years ahead of Russia in terms of electronic, computing and radars``
that's not my opinion, those are the consensus from Chinese engineers and scientists from SAC and CAC
consensus 2: China nowadays is ahead of Russia in terms of aerodynamic designs, AESA radar and air-born electronics, and the gap is increasing
Why even copy the SU-27 if you claim you are years ahead in aerodynamics? The SU-27 set the standard for performance and is difficult to match even today, hence why China is constantly developing variants based on the SU-27; but even with the SU-27s high standards we know the pak-fa surpasses the SU-27 in many areas which is extremely difficult to do.
) The wide adoption of composite material (mainly carbon fiber) for the surfaces, reducing the weight of the aircraft for more than 700 kg, while the life of the composite part is increased over 10,000 hours in comparison to the original part built from steel.
Original Su-27SK has no composite
2) Redesigned air inlets of engine intakes to reduce the radar cross section, this coupled with the adoption of composite material, and application of radar absorbent material has reduced the radar cross section (RCS) of 15 square meters of Su-27SK to just >3 square meters of J-11B.
3) Full air-to-surface / sea capability is added and J-11B is able to launch various precision guided air-to-surface and air-to-sea munitions. Original Su-27SK can only used for air superiority and the only air to ground attack abilities is dropping dumb bombs and fire unguided rocket.
4) Certified to be equipped with WS-10 (will be upgraded to WS-10A in the future) turbofan engine, which is claimed to be cheaper to operate than AL-31F.
5) Incorporation of on-board oxygen generating system (OBOGS): With the exception of Su-35 and Su-37, J-11B is the first of the Su-27 family to incorporate such technology. Due to the adoption of western style design features such as fully digitized computerized controls and solid state micro-electronics, Chinese claimed that the domestic OBOGS is superior than the analog system Russia offered to China. Original Su-27SK do not even has such thing to allow high attitude engagement.
6) Improved radar. The new radar is able to track 8 targets at the same time, and engage 4 of the 8 tracked simultaneously. When used against large surface target such as a destroyer, the maximum range of the radar was in excess of 350 km. The range against aerial targets was not disclosed, but it would be definitely much shorter, as in all radars. The Chinese official report claims that the radar is better than the 147x/KLJ-X radar family, but stop short of identifying the exact type. Contrary to many erroneous comments by many domestic Chinese sources, which mistakenly claimed that the radar had adopted a passive phased array antenna, the official claims of many Chinese governmental sources such as technical journals and publications have revealed that the radar still adopted a slotted planar array antenna.
7) Fully digitized solid-state avionics has replaced the analogue one in Su-27SK. In the mid-2007, the Chinese governmental television station CCTV-7 released news clips of Chinese pilots in the cockpits of J-11B, with the LCD of glass cockpit of J-11B clearly visible, despite that the official report itself only claimed replacing the original avionics with domestic Chinese fully digitized solid-state avionics, and nothing of EFIS or glass cockpit was mentioned. In comparison to the earlier EFIS on J-11A, the most obvious difference is that LCD MFDs on J-11B are aligned in a straight line, instead of the middle one being slightly lower. The arrangement, appearance and layout of MFDs and EFIS of J-11B are similar to the general design concept of the west.
8) Missile Approach Warning System.
Chinese airforce dont have anything comparable, neither in service, nor in flying test. Tell me more fairly tales from your delusional world how China is "years ahead" in radars and bla-bla-bla, your incompetent and clueless bragging shouts always so enjoyable in military threads, you are unending source of fun, boy
Why even copy the SU-27 if you claim you are years ahead in aerodynamics? The SU-27 set the standard for performance and is difficult to match even today, hence why China is constantly developing variants based on the SU-27; but even with the SU-27s high standards we know the pak-fa surpasses the SU-27 in many areas which is extremely difficult to do.
the introduction of Su-27 was a millstone for Chinese aviation industry, and it gave SAC (the most dominant and biggest aero unit at that time), the first time to learn crucial know-how of building a fourth gen fighter.
and this know-how is not only about the aerodynamics (which is the least aspect to learn, as CAC and SAC spent decades on it, although just on paper), but the techniques, avionics, radars and its structural design.
China keeps developing 27 series are not because how advanced it is (aerodynamically yes), it is because Su-27 series is the one of the backbones of PLAAF alone with J-10, so 100% indigenous is vital to PLAAF's fighting power, and as people from SAC said the upgrades on Su-27/30 were mainly for its material, weapon system, avionics and radar, which they believe now they are surpassing the Russians, not the structural design.
and it was also true that at the very beginning China sent people to talk with Russians about co-developing a 5th gen fighter aka Pak-fa, however, they were not impressed, as they believed both concepts of J-20 from CAC and J-31 from SAC were surpassing Pak-fa in many crucial areas, like aerodynamics, avionics, weapon system, radar and stealth.
You do understand that the tales about SAC engineers, people you sent to co-develope PAK-FA etc etc serve the only one purpose - entertainment. Sure you can tell such stories on Chinese forums to each other to create some wonderful role-playing fantasy world, but what make you think anyone outside of China interested in them?
Almost the whole Chinese military are based on copied Russian concepts. Copied airframes, engines, radars, materials etc. Do you know what is the general opinion of Chinese capabilities among the people from Russian military-industrial complex, engineers, scientists etc? They think that while you can use old Russian concepts and even improve them, twink and upgrade, install new kinds of technology and make these weapon systems even better than original, you still lack the fundamental understanding of how these sytems work, you lack basic scientific and mathematical knowledge about aerodynamics, materials, behaviour of electromagnetic waves and so on, so all your capabilities are limited to upgrading an existed weapon systems and you are still not capable to create anything innovative. And that is not my opinion, but opinion of many knowledgeable Russian and American scientists.
you still lack the fundamental understanding of how these sytems work, you lack basic scientific and mathematical knowledge about aerodynamics, materials, behaviour of electromagnetic waves and so on, so all your capabilities are limited to upgrading an existed weapon systems and you are still not capable to create anything innovative
I would ask the Chinese members to remember that the Russians have been in this business for decades, and gave the Americans a run for their money. While most fair-minded people are impressed by China's progress, it would be unwise to underestimate Russian capabilities.
Unless you are making a sales pitch to a buyer, it's better to underplay one's own capabilities, and over-estimate others'.
keep giving groundless accusations to China's fast progress
so I guess J-10, J-20, J-31, 052C/D Agies DDG, KJ-2000/200 AESA AWACs, HHQ-9, HHQ-16 and DF-21A are all created without understanding your funny 'basics' then?
oh, btw, you still haven't answered my question, where is the Russian serving air-born AESA or Agies systems that to prove you guys are still 'good' at radars?
I am sure the real scientists in all the countries respect each other much more than people on the internet do.