What troll? With J-31 and J-20, why would we buy Russian Su-35? Only reason will be transferring to PAF since China has signed pact with Russian not to export any of our own made flanker series.
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What troll? With J-31 and J-20, why would we buy Russian Su-35? Only reason will be transferring to PAF since China has signed pact with Russian not to export any of our own made flanker series.
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oh dude. i cant argue with you. keep it up
The article was likely provided by a Russian source directly or trough middlemen to the Hong Kong based reporter. And as usual no confirming sources from China. "Anonymous colonel".... Seriously.
The already prepared the usual bullshit of excuses to retract the news
"Moscow also asked Beijing to sign an agreement not to make copies of the Su-35."
"will be submitted to the Kremlin to make the final decision"
Give it the usual two or three weeks and the Russians will "decline" Chinas "interest" and "request" for Su-35 yet again. And the usual monkeys go apeshit about "hurr proof China copycat" instead of "hurr proof China incompetent like us!"
The already prepared the usual bullshit of excuses to retract the news
"Moscow also asked Beijing to sign an agreement not to make copies of the Su-35."
"will be submitted to the Kremlin to make the final decision"
Give it the usual two or three weeks and the Russians will "decline" Chinas "interest" and "request" for Su-35 yet again. And the usual monkeys go apeshit about "hurr proof China copycat" instead of "hurr proof China incompetent like us!"
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didn't i told you you cannot transfer Russia tech without Russian Authorisation??
Unless mr putin said yes, you cannot go resell the planes to Pakistan. Unless you expect a big lawsuit. And no, Russia will not sweep it under the table.
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This is a hong kong article as mentioned with a russian source not a single report from Chinese(mainland sites) where if this deal were true it would be reported on sites like Chinese Daily etc etc unless there is an official source don't post the same news
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A preliminary deal for the sale of 24 advanced Russian Su-35 jet fighters to the People's Liberation Army indicates the technological hurdles China faces in developing its own J-20, especially in terms of engine technology, military analysts say.
Mainland and Russian media reported last month that Beijing might purchase 24 Su-35s, an updated version of the fourth generation Su-27, for US$1.5 billion. The deal was first proposed by Moscow two years ago.
Beijing expressed interest in purchasing only four Su-35s last year, but that was rejected by Moscow, which had originally expected China to buy 48 planes, Moscow's Vedomosti business daily quoted an official from Russia's Federal Service for Military and Technical Co-operation as saying.
It also quoted Igor Korotchenko, head of the Russian Defence Ministry's public council, as saying Moscow also asked Beijing to sign an agreement not to make copies of the Su-35.
A Beijing-based PLA senior colonel, who requested anonymity, said: "We decided to buy the Su-35 because it's a fact that our home-made engines have failed to measure up to the Russian products."
He said China was still playing catch-up, despite recent headlines hailing its progress on military modernisation.
"Engines have been the biggest headache and we are still trying to cope with it," he said. "The purchase of the Su-35s might help our J-20 project, but there are too many deeper problems hiding in our military industrial system that are hindering our research and development."
Andrei Chang, editor-in-chief of the Canadian-based Kanwa Defence Review, said the possible Su-35 deal was aimed at obtaining 117S engines, the most advanced Russian engine installed in a single-seat, twin-engined fighter. "Beijing wants the engine [of the Su-35] because their J-20 project failed to solve the most challenging part - the engine," Chang said.
The J-20, China's first stealth fighter, was unveiled early last year. Photographs posted on the internet by mainland military enthusiasts show the J-20 prototype has a stealth body shape similar to the American F-22 and F-35, with a hint of the Russian Su-27 in its turbofan engines. Military experts at home and overseas do not expect the J-20 to enter service until 2018 because of the engine problem.
Beijing's earlier expression of interest in purchasing only four Su-35s was rejected by Russia because of copycat concerns, the Moscow Times reported.
"Beijing compromised on the size of [the Su-35 deal] because they think 24 is an acceptable negotiation quantity, while Moscow feels it is worth considering," Chang said.
The deal could also give a much-needed boost to Russia's military industry, which desperately needs China's business because formerly stalwart customers are proving less reliable.
"The Russian side has found their Su-35 production line lacks enough orders to [reduce unit cost and make it a profitable project]," Chang said.
"Russia originally expected some sales to Libya, who promised to order some [Su-35] jets under Muammar Gaddafi's administration, while Venezuela also planned to place orders," he said. "But both have now backtracked on those promises due to political upheaval at home." However, the export of Su-35s to China has stirred up a heated debate among Russian defence industry enterprises and military officials, with opponents to the deal highlighting China's history of copying Russian weapons, Chang said.
China has long been producing unauthorised copies of the Russian Su-27 - as the Jian-11. It has also designed a two-seat fighter bomber version (the Jian-16) and a stealth version (the Jian-17), and obtained an aircraft-carrier-based version of the Su-30 from Ukraine to produce the Jian-15.
But Beijing insists they are all indigenous designs that just happen to bear some resemblance to Russian fighters.
"I think the Su-35 deal will be submitted to the Kremlin to make the final decision," Chang said, adding there was still a long way to go before a final deal was signed.
"China and Russia have just signed a memorandum this year, meaning both sides have yet to decide on the deal because they need further rounds of negotiation and discussion involving prices, which models of Su-35 will be exported, what kinds of weapons systems will be involved in the deal, technology transfer and other details."
PLA signs preliminary deal for 24 Russian Su-35 jet fighters | South China Morning Post
Final deal is yet to be singed, even if it singed next year 2016 is earliest delivery date since VVS get priority.
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A preliminary deal for the sale of 24 advanced Russian Su-35 jet fighters to the People’s Liberation Army indicates the technological hurdles China faces in developing its own J-20, especially in terms of engine technology, military analysts say.
Mainland and Russian media reported last month that Beijing might purchase 24 Su-35s, an updated version of the fourth generation Su-27, for US$1.5 billion. The deal was first proposed by Moscow two years ago.
Beijing expressed interest in purchasing only four Su-35s last year, but that was rejected by Moscow, which had originally expected China to buy 48 planes, Moscow’s Vedomosti business daily quoted an official from Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Co-operation as saying.
It also quoted Igor Korotchenko, head of the Russian Defence Ministry’s public council, as saying Moscow also asked Beijing to sign an agreement not to make copies of the Su-35.
A Beijing-based PLA senior colonel, who requested anonymity, said: “We decided to buy the Su-35 because it’s a fact that our home-made engines have failed to measure up to the Russian products.”
He said China was still playing catch-up, despite recent headlines hailing its progress on military modernisation.
“Engines have been the biggest headache and we are still trying to cope with it,” he said. “The purchase of the Su-35s might help our J-20 project, but there are too many deeper problems hiding in our military industrial system that are hindering our research and development.”
Andrei Chang, editor-in-chief of the Canadian-based Kanwa Defence Review, said the possible Su-35 deal was aimed at obtaining 117S engines, the most advanced Russian engine installed in a single-seat, twin-engined fighter. “Beijing wants the engine [of the Su-35]… because their J-20 project failed to solve the most challenging part – the engine,” Chang said.
The J-20, China’s first stealth fighter, was unveiled early last year. Photographs posted on the internet by mainland military enthusiasts show the J-20 prototype has a stealth body shape similar to the American F-22 and F-35, with a hint of the Russian Su-27 in its turbofan engines. Military experts at home and overseas do not expect the J-20 to enter service until 2018 because of the engine problem.
Beijing’s earlier expression of interest in purchasing only four Su-35s was rejected by Russia because of copycat concerns, the Moscow Times reported.
“Beijing compromised on the size of [the Su-35 deal] … because they think 24 is an acceptable negotiation quantity, while Moscow feels it is worth considering,” Chang said.
The deal could also give a much-needed boost to Russia’s military industry, which desperately needs China’s business because formerly stalwart customers are proving less reliable.
“The Russian side has found their Su-35 production line lacks enough orders to [reduce unit cost and make it a profitable project],” Chang said.
“Russia originally expected some sales to Libya, who promised to order some [Su-35] jets under Muammar Gaddafi‘s administration, while Venezuela also planned to place orders,” he said. “But both have now backtracked on those promises due to political upheaval at home.” However, the export of Su-35s to China has stirred up a heated debate among Russian defence industry enterprises and military officials, with opponents to the deal highlighting China’s history of copying Russian weapons, Chang said.
China has long been producing unauthorised copies of the Russian Su-27 – as the Jian-11. It has also designed a two-seat fighter bomber version (the Jian-16) and a stealth version (the Jian-17), and obtained an aircraft-carrier-based version of the Su-30 from Ukraine to produce the Jian-15.
But Beijing insists they are all indigenous designs that just happen to bear some resemblance to Russian fighters.
“I think the Su-35 deal will be submitted to the Kremlin to make the final decision,” Chang said, adding there was still a long way to go before a final deal was signed.
“China and Russia have just signed a memorandum this year, meaning both sides have yet to decide on the deal because they need further rounds of negotiation and discussion involving prices, which models of Su-35 will be exported, what kinds of weapons systems will be involved in the deal, technology transfer and other details.”
http://chinadailymail.com/2012/12/0...inary-deal-for-24-russian-su-35-jet-fighters/
Thread with proper source not russians but chinese.... i don't see necessity of removing it or closing the thread...
Mainland and Russian media reported last month that Beijing might purchase 24 Su-35s, an updated version of the fourth generation Su-27, for US$1.5 billion. The deal was first proposed by Moscow two years ago.
Beijing expressed interest in purchasing only four Su-35s last year, but that was rejected by Moscow, which had originally expected China to buy 48 planes, Moscow’s Vedomosti business daily quoted an official from Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Co-operation as saying.
It also quoted Igor Korotchenko, head of the Russian Defence Ministry’s public council, as saying Moscow also asked Beijing to sign an agreement not to make copies of the Su-35.
A Beijing-based PLA senior colonel, who requested anonymity, said: “We decided to buy the Su-35 because it’s a fact that our home-made engines have failed to measure up to the Russian products.”
He said China was still playing catch-up, despite recent headlines hailing its progress on military modernisation.
“Engines have been the biggest headache and we are still trying to cope with it,” he said. “The purchase of the Su-35s might help our J-20 project, but there are too many deeper problems hiding in our military industrial system that are hindering our research and development.”
Andrei Chang, editor-in-chief of the Canadian-based Kanwa Defence Review, said the possible Su-35 deal was aimed at obtaining 117S engines, the most advanced Russian engine installed in a single-seat, twin-engined fighter. “Beijing wants the engine [of the Su-35]… because their J-20 project failed to solve the most challenging part – the engine,” Chang said.
The J-20, China’s first stealth fighter, was unveiled early last year. Photographs posted on the internet by mainland military enthusiasts show the J-20 prototype has a stealth body shape similar to the American F-22 and F-35, with a hint of the Russian Su-27 in its turbofan engines. Military experts at home and overseas do not expect the J-20 to enter service until 2018 because of the engine problem.
Beijing’s earlier expression of interest in purchasing only four Su-35s was rejected by Russia because of copycat concerns, the Moscow Times reported.
“Beijing compromised on the size of [the Su-35 deal] … because they think 24 is an acceptable negotiation quantity, while Moscow feels it is worth considering,” Chang said.
The deal could also give a much-needed boost to Russia’s military industry, which desperately needs China’s business because formerly stalwart customers are proving less reliable.
“The Russian side has found their Su-35 production line lacks enough orders to [reduce unit cost and make it a profitable project],” Chang said.
“Russia originally expected some sales to Libya, who promised to order some [Su-35] jets under Muammar Gaddafi‘s administration, while Venezuela also planned to place orders,” he said. “But both have now backtracked on those promises due to political upheaval at home.” However, the export of Su-35s to China has stirred up a heated debate among Russian defence industry enterprises and military officials, with opponents to the deal highlighting China’s history of copying Russian weapons, Chang said.
China has long been producing unauthorised copies of the Russian Su-27 – as the Jian-11. It has also designed a two-seat fighter bomber version (the Jian-16) and a stealth version (the Jian-17), and obtained an aircraft-carrier-based version of the Su-30 from Ukraine to produce the Jian-15.
But Beijing insists they are all indigenous designs that just happen to bear some resemblance to Russian fighters.
“I think the Su-35 deal will be submitted to the Kremlin to make the final decision,” Chang said, adding there was still a long way to go before a final deal was signed.
“China and Russia have just signed a memorandum this year, meaning both sides have yet to decide on the deal because they need further rounds of negotiation and discussion involving prices, which models of Su-35 will be exported, what kinds of weapons systems will be involved in the deal, technology transfer and other details.”
http://chinadailymail.com/2012/12/0...inary-deal-for-24-russian-su-35-jet-fighters/
Thread with proper source not russians but chinese.... i don't see necessity of removing it or closing the thread...
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I find the article is from South China Morning Post, it is Hongkong, of course, it is also chinese, but you know Hongkong and Mainland have different report system, Hongkong paper had make many such kind of report, some are right, some are wrong.
I know what you want, you indian post such news from anywhere one by one, about SU-35, there were too much threads you indian post, before china government officially comfirm it, do not post more, then we argum on it, that time you indian can mock china as you can.
About the thread, I suggest it should be closed, if the news be confirmed by china officially, it could be reopen, otherwise, we jsut waste time here for a rumour, we had done these.
I know what you want, you indian post such news from anywhere one by one, about SU-35, there were too much threads you indian post, before china government officially comfirm it, do not post more, then we argum on it, that time you indian can mock china as you can.
About the thread, I suggest it should be closed, if the news be confirmed by china officially, it could be reopen, otherwise, we jsut waste time here for a rumour, we had done these.
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There was one thread today, yesterday, and the day before. Actually I see similar threads every once in a while since 2008. China must have hundreds of Su-35 by now, since somebody keeps ordering them for us.
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If the blog's etc are not true, just like your indian post like these:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/221207-china-buying-russia-s-su-35-fighter.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/218768-china-resumes-talks-russia-su-35-purchase.html
Which turn into trolling war, it should be closed, but if the news from blog is true, why can't be discussed, I know you indian like believe in western news.
As you read the comments in above two threads, most are turn into wasting time quarrel, no sense, about whether china import SU-35, it had been discussed, why should waste time to discuss it, even we start the argument, what can you indian say? without trolling and mocking, such as China face big problem in developing J-31 or new engine, what can you say? you can give constructive comment here?
You indian have post such news one by one, I know what you want, why can't wait for official confirm, then you can mocking china well, why not be patient, it is not long time can know the fact, you do can spend more than 30 years for LCA, why can't wait a few time for the official confirm of business?
Do not reply, don't waste more time to argum with you in these thread, after the news be confirmed by china government, I will be glad to read you indian comment on the news, any comment, and keep smile.
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