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[Rajaraja Chola]

What about it?? Isnt china enemy?? Or it is friend now? If so then why china killer agni-v..? You guys cheated
Russia won't arm India's enemies: Dmitry Rogozin - Economic Times

Its business. They can give it to whoever they want. They have given Su 27 and 30 before. So whats the problem now.
The Super Sukhoi will be more than Su 35 anyway, thats y we never considered Su 35.
Moreover i mentioned when will the chinese copy will be coming.

 

[danger007]

If china go shopping,that means they are having troubles while making 5th gen or remaining projects...

 

[Sasquatch]

The source of the article is russian there has not been a single government source just another rumor spread around.

 

[jaiind]

well that was awesome move by china to procure su 35,and later they will initiate their own indigenous super stealth fighter J 50 or some thing else.Russia is doing smart business with both India and china. arming both them with their hi tech fighters.
As a enthusiastic i have one question in my mind.china is developing their 5 gen fighters,and they said that they much superior than other counter parts.then what is the need to hurry for 4 gen su 35 fighters ??

 

[Sasquatch]

Russia and China have clinched a preliminary agreement on the delivery of 48 Sukhoi Su-35BM fighter jets to the Chinese air force, sources in Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation said on Wednesday.The agreement worth 1.5 billion dollars may add to the Su-35 foraying into international markets even though Russia’s cooperation with China in this field is fraught with substantial risks.

The Su-35BM is the modernized version of the T-10C platform that helped create the internationally distinguished Su-27 and Su-30 multi-role fighters. They have become the Russian-made warplanes of choice for foreign customers in the past twenty years.

Remarkably, it was China that contributed to the Su-27’s breakthrough into the global markets. Between 1991 and 1996, Moscow and Beijing signed a spate of deals on the delivery of the Su-27SK and Su-30MKK fighters to the Chinese air force. A total of 26 SU-27SKs were supplied to China at the time.

Shortly after, Russia inked similar agreements with India, Malaysia, Vietnam, Algeria and other countries. As for China, it gradually started to copycat production of the Su-27, something that finally led to the creation of the J-11 fighter, a replica of the Su-27 plane. Despite the fact that the J-11’s general characteristics yield to those of the Su-27, the very fact of copycatting added significantly to the development of China’s military aircraft industry and the modernization of the Chinese air force in the early 2000s.

As for the Su-35 fighters, Beijing has repeatedly signaled its readiness to purchase them from Russia, with the latter understandably seeking to prevent a potential copycat production of the Su-35 by China. In this regard, Beijing will hardly guarantee the protection of copyrights on the production of Su-35, experts say, adding that the more such planes are delivered to China the less copycat-related risks Russia will face. At least 50 Su-35s should be supplied to China so that such risks can be resolved.

Another option is to supply a simplified version of the Su-35 to China, something that analysts say may well be used in practice.

However, the only best way to avoid the Su-35 being copycatted is to reduce drastically the delivery of Russia’s high-tech military equipment to China in the near future. Compensating for potential loses would be possible with the help of domestic orders to this effect.

Russia and China reached preliminary agreement for 48 Su-35BMs | idrw.org

The Source of this is Russian, China has denied the purchase of the SU35 and there has not been a single government source that confirms this, if it is I will reopen the thread.

 

[shree835]

Russia and china are finalizing deal for sale of 48 aircraft’s of Sukhoi su 35, but many defence experts around the world are puzzled with Russian stupidity or just lack of business sense. China has a large fleet of Sukhoi su 30MKK and have reversed engineered older Sukhoi su 27K and have named them J-11.China had ordered 200 Sukhoi Su 27 but cancelled the order when 100 aircraft’s were delivered and started manufacturing reversed engineered Sukhoi 27 with their own air frame modifications and also cracked Russian software on Sukhoi 27 to enable it to fire their own locally developed weapons systems.
Russia on the other hand made right noises, and Rosoboron export`s general manager Anatoli Isaykin in MAKS 2009 aero show said Russia will investigate the J-11B Chinese copy of Su-27 and Sukhoi was part of the process, no action and only talk, fuelled speculation of a secret deal between Russian and china on this matter, china was also able to make a reversed engineered Sukhoi 33 for its aircraft carrier without much noise from Russia.

No matter what level of technology was reversed by china, Russia only did lip service and continued supply of AL-31 engines to J-10 Program of China and never objected to resale of Russian built Klimov RD-93 engines to Pakistan for their JF-17 aircraft’s.

Purchase of limited (48 Nos) by china is leading to speculation that its token order for reversed engineered aircraft’s to be followed, J-10 has been dubbed in Chinese media has better aircraft then Sukhoi 30MKK and Sukhoi 27K, recent test flights of china’s two stealth fighters indicate that china might be shopping for new avionics and other systems (Ew, engines) for this aircraft’s and what better then purchase of latest 4+++ gen fighter aircraft in form of Sukhoi su 35.

When it comes to India, Russia surely has a different attitude towards its intellectual property rights; India has been Purchasing Russian weapons for more than 5 decades now but not once has reversed engineered any of weapons but when it comes to TOT of its legally bidding transfers, Russia has always made India dance to its tune, prime examples are of refusal to give India TOT on T-90 Gun barrel where India is forced to use older Gun barrel of T-72 tanks , Even tires for IAF’s Sukhoi Su 30MKI fleet comes from Russia , since they refuse India to source it from Indian companies .

India on the other hand funded many of the technology which are been used by their forces , prime examples are Mig-29K which was first ordered by Indian Navy and after production line was setup from Indian funds , Russian navy went ahead ordered Mig-29K for its own use, abandoning any further development of Sukhoi su33 , it current naval aircraft’s . Russian air force also has ordered Sukhoi su 30SM which is a Variant based on Sukhoi su 30MKI which India had funded.

India even in Joint ventures like BrahMos had to complete with Russian systems hurting its export potential, India had to enter into Joint venture with Russia on key project like MTA and Pak-Fa on Russian terms, with limited or no contribution from Indian side, India needs to be careful when dealing with Russia now, Indian funded projects might find their way into its enemies hand.

Sukhoi 35 sales to China!!! Why Russia? | idrw.org

 

[itaskol]

crazy russia want to sell their su 35 every month.
we call it menstrual onset
48 can never be.
we only want 4.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Russia and china are finalizing deal for sale of 48 aircraft’s of Sukhoi su 35, but many defence experts around the world are puzzled with Russian stupidity or just lack of business sense. China has a large fleet of Sukhoi su 30MKK and have reversed engineered older Sukhoi su 27K and have named them J-11.China had ordered 200 Sukhoi Su 27 but cancelled the order when 100 aircraft’s were delivered and started manufacturing reversed engineered Sukhoi 27 with their own air frame modifications and also cracked Russian software on Sukhoi 27 to enable it to fire their own locally developed weapons systems.
Russia on the other hand made right noises, and Rosoboron export`s general manager Anatoli Isaykin in MAKS 2009 aero show said Russia will investigate the J-11B Chinese copy of Su-27 and Sukhoi was part of the process, no action and only talk, fuelled speculation of a secret deal between Russian and china on this matter, china was also able to make a reversed engineered Sukhoi 33 for its aircraft carrier without much noise from Russia.

No matter what level of technology was reversed by china, Russia only did lip service and continued supply of AL-31 engines to J-10 Program of China and never objected to resale of Russian built Klimov RD-93 engines to Pakistan for their JF-17 aircraft’s.

Purchase of limited (48 Nos) by china is leading to speculation that its token order for reversed engineered aircraft’s to be followed, J-10 has been dubbed in Chinese media has better aircraft then Sukhoi 30MKK and Sukhoi 27K, recent test flights of china’s two stealth fighters indicate that china might be shopping for new avionics and other systems (Ew, engines) for this aircraft’s and what better then purchase of latest 4+++ gen fighter aircraft in form of Sukhoi su 35.

When it comes to India, Russia surely has a different attitude towards its intellectual property rights; India has been Purchasing Russian weapons for more than 5 decades now but not once has reversed engineered any of weapons but when it comes to TOT of its legally bidding transfers, Russia has always made India dance to its tune, prime examples are of refusal to give India TOT on T-90 Gun barrel where India is forced to use older Gun barrel of T-72 tanks , Even tires for IAF’s Sukhoi Su 30MKI fleet comes from Russia , since they refuse India to source it from Indian companies.

Isn't it obvious why?

For the same reason why Russia chose to co-found the SCO with China, instead of India.

Because Russia knows that China can and will stand up to America, and we have been able to do it since the 1950 Korean War in which we pushed the USA + 16 of her allies completely out of North Korea.

But they have no such assurances when it comes to India. They can clearly see that India is trying to play both sides off each other for their benefit, and while that makes reasonable sense from India's point of view (fair enough), it still makes Russia feel uneasy.

 

[Abingdonboy]

So this is confirmation the J-20/31 are nothing but cool looking hollow shells?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So this is confirmation the J-20/31 are nothing but cool looking hollow shells?

You are free to believe what you want.

We'll keep developing our two 5th generation fighters, while you guys develop your LCA.

May the best one win.

 

[itaskol]

So this is confirmation the J-20/31 are nothing but cool looking hollow shells?

what is this logic??
It is russia which announce every month that they will sell Su 35 to china.
and in some russia media even try to force china to buy their jet to balance their trade deficit.
and for some reason we also have to keep "good" relationship with russia.
maybe we will buy some to show our friendship to russia.

 

[Abingdonboy]

You are free to believe what you want.

We'll keep developing our two 5th generation fighters, while you guys develop your LCA.

May the best one win.

Mate, answer the Q. If China is able to indigeniously devlop 5th gen tech then there is no need for a 4.5+ gen fighter surely? If this deal is confirmed it means China isn't able to devlop such tech and the J-20/31 will have 4.5+ gen tech at best fitted there is no other logical conclusion you can draw from this news.

 

[itaskol]

Mate, answer the Q. If China is able to indigeniously devlop 5th gen tech then there is no need for a 4.5+ gen fighter surely? If this deal is confirmed it means China isn't able to devlop such tech and the J-20/31 will have 4.5+ gen tech at best fitted there is no other logical conclusion you can draw from this news.

why india buy rafael？

 

[JonAsad]

So this is confirmation the J-20/31 are nothing but cool looking hollow shells?

J20?- the article does not even mentioned it and you came to a conclusion?-

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Mate, answer the Q. If China is able to indigeniously devlop 5th gen tech then there is no need for a 4.5+ gen fighter surely? If this deal is confirmed it means China isn't able to devlop such tech and the J-20/31 will have 4.5+ gen tech at best fitted there is no other logical conclusion you can draw from this news.

Your logic is impeccable.

So if a country can produce electronics on there own, there is no need to import any?

Why does India import everything, even basic ammunition? Does that prove they can't make it themselves?